CTM Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 ruin the thread= disagree with RJF and then respond to his temper tantrum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 ruin the thread= disagree with RJF and then respond to his temper tantrum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Crusher Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Yes it did. but gloriously so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Yes it did. but gloriously so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I am also thoroughly enjoying Arsis neg repping everything Chan posts. It's the least creative thing to come out of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Many of the classics were written by laymen, so it's nice symmetry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Anyways, back to where we were before cockboy tried ruining the thread for a second time. Here's a comparative article on The Flash vs DD that popped up on Yahoo this week. Guy brings up some good points. Who’s the best new superhero on TV? Who would win in a fight? Hard to say, but here's how their excellent rookie show seasons fared against each other Mark Peters Share 162 42 Post 15 Topics: TV, Flash, Daredevil, Marvel, DC Comics, Entertainment NewsGrant Gustin in "The Flash," Charlie Cox in "Daredevil" (Credit: The CW/Netflix) I don’t think it’s a controversial statement to say that the two best live-action, non-humorous superhero TV shows ever appeared in the past year: “Daredevil” and “The Flash.” Though the starring heroes don’t have much in common other than a fondness for red, these series maintained a level of quality previously found only in the best superhero movies, like “The Dark Knight” and “Captain America: The Winter Soldier.” But which was better? Now that both are finished for the season, let’s find out if the Man Without Fear or the Fastest Man Alive had a better rookie season. Acting “The Flash” didn’t have much if any bad acting, and some performances were terrific—especially Tom Cavanagh as diabolical but not cartoony Harrison Wells/Eobard Thawne/Reverse Flash and Jesse L. Martin as Hall of Fame dad/cop Joe West. Also, Grant Gustin as Barry Allen pulled off the difficult trick of being a goody-goody hero you don’t want to punch, in the tradition of Christopher Reeve. “Daredevil” did have some bad acting—mostly by Elden Henson, who made for an insufferable Foggy Nelson. That said, “Daredevil” had two of the recent best performances in any TV genre by Charlie Cox and Vincent D’Onofrio (as Matt Murdock and Wilson Fisk). Daredevil is a boxer, lawyer, ninja, blind man, vigilante, and Catholic who feels every stab at his body and soul: Cox captured all of the above and more. But D’Onofrio stole the series, creating a Kingpin (Fisk’s nickname in the comics) who’s a vulnerable, sophisticated man-monster with a desperate, doomed desire to be a better person. Advantage: “Daredevil” Hero-villain dynamic Both shows pulled classic rivalries from the comics: Daredevil/Kingpin and Flash/ Reverse Flash. These rivalries featured well-developed foils who mirrored each other in ways that were compelling overall, though at times a little on the nose. “Daredevil” pounded the similarities between Fisk and Murdock (violent tendencies, dead fathers, messiah complexes) into our heads frequently and clumsily. The Flash and Reverse Flash, on the other hand, were linked by R-Flash’s mentorship of Barry and his murder of Barry’s mother, which slowly came to light over the season, along with the coolest time-travel shenanigans since season five of “Lost.” That was a more satisfying, if not subtle, approach. Advantage: “The Flash” Costumes Superhero costumes usually look silly in live action: it takes a sharp design to pull off something that’s faithful to the comics but not utterly absurd. For the bulk of “Daredevil,” the costume issue was dodged as a young Matt Murdock fought mob guys and ninjas in a homemade black getup that was, even after sober reflection, badass. When Murdock ultimately donned his horned cowl, he looked ludicrous. On the other hand, Barry Allen’s Flash suit debuted early and leaned toward the cool side of the preposterous spectrum. Advantage: “The Flash” Tone This is the most obvious contrast between the shows (besides the differing number of episodes: 13 for “Daredevil,” 23 for “The Flash”). Any CW show skews at least a little toward a teen audience, while being on Netflix allowed “Daredevil” to include borderline R-rated language and violence. “Daredevil” did some great things with the freedom—like the virtuosic episode two corridor fight—but it sometimes felt dark for the sake of being dark, as if grimness equaled quality. Like too many comics, “Daredevil” wallowed in its adolescent pain a little too often. Years of mega-bleak “Daredevil” comics are why Mark Waid and Chris Samnee’s current run—which has embraced swashbuckling fun—has been so refreshing. “The Flash” had a smart, seemingly effortless balance between family drama, Buffy-style monster-investigating, metahuman slugfests, and sci-fi adventure. Though a DC property, the tone of “The Flash” felt like Marvel at their best. Advantage: “The Flash” Romance TV writers enjoy love triangles more than my dog enjoys rolling in filth at the park, and “The Flash” took this tired, potholed route. For most of the season, Eddie Thawne dated Iris West, while poor Barry Allen pined for the woman who comics fans (and time travelers in the show) know will be his future wife. On “Daredevil,” the only major romance involved the villain Wilson Fisk and artist Vanessa Marianna. This crimelord-artist pairing was believable, heartfelt, and unusual for the superhero genre, while the Barry-Iris-Eddie foofaraw was a bit of an eye-roller. Advantage: “Daredevil” Daddy issues/guilt Matt Murdock’s father didn’t want to disappoint little Matt by taking a dive in a fight, so Battlin’ Jack Murdock won and was killed, orphaning Matt and giving him a lifetime of guilt. Barry Allen’s father has been in jail since being wrongly convicted of his wife’s murder, and Barry is still trying to clear him. Barry also carries around a ton of guilt, especially since he found out a future version of himself was there at the time of the murder. This one might be a wash. Advantage: Inconclusive Faithfulness to the comics This has zero to do with show quality, but it is fun to talk about, at least if you’re the kind of person who goes to comics conventions, which I am. Both shows came up with brand new plotlines while remaining extremely faithful to the spirit of the comics. Both had enough Easter eggs to give the Easter Bunny back problems, but “The Flash” wins for improbably bringing Gorilla Grodd to TV, alluding to the original event comic “Crisis on Infinite Earths,” and even throwing in the winged helmet of original Flash Jay Garrick. Advantage: “The Flash” Season One Finale The “Daredevil” season finale was a bit of a letdown: everything wrapped up extremely neatly, more like a so-so superhero story than the cool crime drama the show had been for most of the season. “The Flash” finale—well, I have to wipe away some tears, so excuse me for being a sap as well as a dweeb. I’m not sure all the time-travel stuff made sense, but the emotional beats were spot-on and heartbreaking. This episode felt cathartic and mythological: comic-booky in the best possible ways. Advantage: “The Flash” The verdict It hurts me to say this, because Daredevil is my favorite character in the comics, but I think “The Flash” was a better show by a slim margin. Arbitrary comparisons aside, I’m grateful that superhero comics are finally yielding great shows—and the future looks even brighter. Let’s hope forthcoming shows like “Supergirl,” “Iron Fist,” and “A.K.A. Jessica Jones” continue the trend. Mark Peters is a freelance writer from Chicago. He writes jokes on Twitter and is a columnist for Visual Thesaurus and McSweeney's. He is also Comic Book Fella on Tumblr. I've always thought the Flash was a boring character so I never even have this a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 I've always thought the Flash was a boring character so I never even have this a chance. As far as his books go, yeah I agree somewhat. But there have been some cool takes along the way dealing with the implications regarding time and space when someone moves that fast. That aside, the show really is great. Up until DD dropped I thought it was the best comic show ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotcheryifyouCan Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 As far as his books go, yeah I agree somewhat. But there have been some cool takes along the way dealing with the implications regarding time and space when someone moves that fast. That aside, the show really is great. Up until DD dropped I thought it was the best comic show ever. batman the animated series and the 1990s xmen cartoon would like to have a word with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 batman the animated series and the 1990s xmen cartoon would like to have a word with you I meant just live action. I'd definitely throw Batman up there, Batman Beyond too which is still awesome to watch. If we're counting animated for movies then Flashpoint Paradox definitely deserves a nod too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 If we're now putting after school cartoons in the same stratosphere as Frank Miller's American Classics, it might be easier to have a conversation at this point about what sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 If we're now putting after school cartoons in the same stratosphere as Frank Miller's American Classics, it might be easier to have a conversation at this point about what sucks. Saturday morning cartoons. Idjit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Saturday morning cartoons. Idjit Oh yea, well Saturday is technically after school! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 If we're now putting after school cartoons in the same stratosphere as Frank Miller's American Classics, it might be easier to have a conversation at this point about what sucks. Dude. Let it go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Dude. Let it go. Don't be so sensitive, the reference is barely a day old and light- hearted. I watch you clowns make reference to sh*t that is years old, with much more gravity, daily here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Don't be so sensitive, the reference is barely a day old and light- hearted. I watch you clowns make reference to sh*t that is years old, with much more gravity, daily here. Nothing in life weighs as heavily as comics. Nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 Nothing in life weighs as heavily as comics. Nothing. My ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted May 21, 2015 Share Posted May 21, 2015 My ass. Judges? I'm sorry the correct answer we were looking for there was "your mom." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted May 22, 2015 Share Posted May 22, 2015 Judges? I'm sorry the correct answer we were looking for there was "your mom." LOL GFY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted May 24, 2015 Share Posted May 24, 2015 I'm no fool.. one could easily imagine him sitting around in batman underoos pretending this thread is his own private gotham; him, the troubled genius, me the illiterate adversary, locked in a mortal struggle for the future of culture the boy wonder even made an appearance whoa, your best post in quite a while. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted May 29, 2015 Share Posted May 29, 2015 http://theconcourse.deadspin.com/supercut-daredevils-gumshoe-journalist-subplot-is-butt-1706970198 Netflix’s Daredevil is mostly bad. Sure, there are some good fight scenes, but the corny story arcs and bad acting that burden the first season makes it a better fit on the CW or ABC Family. And nothing in the first season is more cringe-worthy than the storyline concerning a grizzled old newspaper reporter named Ben Urich. It goes something like this (SPOILERS, obviously): Ben Urich is a Good Newspaper Man. He’s been a Good Newspaper Man since before you were in diapers! His shoes are thoroughly gummed. He wants to write the Big Story, the one that will bring it all down. The drugs ... the Yakuza ... the Russians ... the kidnappings. But his editor won’t let him write the Big Story, because his editor lacks The Ethics. This is the fault of bloggers. Maybe the Good Newspaper Man is too old for this sh*t, anyway. No! His Poor Sick Wife reminds him that he is a Good Newspaper Man above all else! He must tell The Truth, but he can’t get his editor to run the Big Story. Where are The Ethics? Maybe the Good Newspaper man will just start his own blog ... That's extremely funny. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotcheryifyouCan Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 thought the fans of daredevil might be intrigued by this: http://uproxx.com/tv/2015/06/jason-statham-daredevil-bullseye/ Looks like they want jason statham as bullseye. not a bad choice imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted June 5, 2015 Share Posted June 5, 2015 Watched Ep 1 last night and I'm in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 Watched Ep 1 last night and I'm in. It's amazing, go for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 8, 2015 Share Posted June 8, 2015 If you can't stand the heat, get out of Hell's Kitchen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Jon Bernthal cast as the punisher. I've always envisioned punisher as older but Bernthal does look like him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetworks Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 http://marvel.com/news/tv/24699/jon_bernthal_cast_as_frank_castle_in_the_netflix_original_series_marvels_daredevil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 9, 2015 Share Posted June 9, 2015 Jon Bernthal cast as the punisher. I've always envisioned punisher as older but Bernthal does look like him. http://marvel.com/news/tv/24699/jon_bernthal_cast_as_frank_castle_in_the_netflix_original_series_marvels_daredevil This is an intriguing casting choice... I hope they do this character justice for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 This is an intriguing casting choice... I hope they do this character justice for once. I like the casting choice. Bernthal looks like Frank Castle why not go younger? They should hold off on Electra and just do punisher vs daredevil season 2 and give punisher his own spin off series. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I like the casting choice. Bernthal looks like Frank Castle why not go younger? They should hold off on Electra and just do punisher vs daredevil season 2 and give punisher his own spin off series. Looking like him is one thing, hopefully he can get the acting like him part figured out. Agreed. Hold off on Elektra. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Looking like him is one thing, hopefully he can get the acting like him part figured out. Agreed. Hold off on Elektra. I can tell they can't wait to bring Elektra into the show but no need to rush. Punisher vs. Daredevil was awesome in the comics and deserves its own season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I can tell they can't wait to bring Elektra into the show but no need to rush. Punisher vs. Daredevil was awesome in the comics and deserves its own season. I didn't read the Daredevil titles much, but for a while I bought anything and everything with the Punisher in it. Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 If you watched The Walking Dead, you know that Bernthal is a brutally bad actor with one expression. How much we like the Punisher depends on how much leeway you give to Bernthal's limitations. Personally, I enjoyed the Shane character on TWD, because we shared similar philosophies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 If you watched The Walking Dead, you know that Bernthal is a brutally bad actor with one expression. How much we like the Punisher depends on how much leeway you give to Bernthal's limitations. Personally, I enjoyed the Shane character on TWD, because we shared similar philosophies That's why he's right for the punisher. Frank Castles emotional range is from kill to destroy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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