JetsFanatic Posted January 7, 2016 Share Posted January 7, 2016 User Actions Follow NY Daily News SportsVerified account@NYDNSports Jets special teams coordinator likely to be Falcons’ Keith Armstrong, via @SethWalderNYDN http://nydn.us/1S6VDj7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gas2No99 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Any other sources confirm Armstrong yet? Was he let out of his contract or did he quit the ATL job? Westy has said "No." Rich Cimini ESPN Staff Writer In case anyone is wondering (and I know some of you are), former longtime Jets special teams coach Mike Westhoff isn't interested in coming out of retirement to replace Bobby April, who was fired yesterday. "Forget it, thanks for asking, but I'm not coming back," Westhoff said today on ESPN New York 98.7. No one said Todd Bowles was interested in hiring Westhoff, but his name came up in speculation because he was a popular coach and has remained visible. Westhoff works locally as an analyst for ESPN radio and SNY TV. Share 4h Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetfan39 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Any other sources confirm Armstrong yet? Was he let out of his contract or did he quit the ATL job? Westy has said "No." Rich Cimini ESPN Staff Writer In case anyone is wondering (and I know some of you are), former longtime Jets special teams coach Mike Westhoff isn't interested in coming out of retirement to replace Bobby April, who was fired yesterday. "Forget it, thanks for asking, but I'm not coming back," Westhoff said today on ESPN New York 98.7. No one said Todd Bowles was interested in hiring Westhoff, but his name came up in speculation because he was a popular coach and has remained visible. Westhoff works locally as an analyst for ESPN radio and SNY TV. Share 4h his contract expires this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Found This FWIW: Gang Green Nation, a New York Jets community HOME FANPOSTS FANSHOTS JETS TICKETS ODDS SHOP ABOUT NFL NBA MLB NHL CFB RECRUITING CBB UFC SOCCER NASCAR FANTASY GOLF SHOP MORE SB NATION ALL 309 BLOGS ? New York Jets Special Teams: Falcons STC Keith Armstrong's Deal About to Expire By David Vill @DvdVill on Jan 7, 2016, 3:38p 40 Kirby Lee-USA TODAY Sports According to a report, it is believed that Atlanta Falcons Special Teams Coach Keith Armstrong's contract should be over soon. As a long time friend of New York Jets HC Todd Bowles, he may soon fill Gang Green's vacancy. TWEET SHARE PIN Despite the fact that the New York Jets special teams unit played poorly this season, the firing of STC Bobby April still came as a surprise to me. With around 25 years of experience, he has long been regarded as one of the best in the NFL, winning STC Coach of the Year twice, in 2004 and then in 2008. With some of the shuffling of the players on the unit at the end of the season, it seemed to indicate that personnel was to blame and not the coordinator. I don't believe that HC Todd Bowles would act so hastily without a plan, and it does seem as though he clearly had a candidate in mind. It is one whom he has pursued in the past, one with whom he has longstanding ties, and as the Atlanta Journal-Constitutionreports, one who will soon most likely be available: Falcons special teams coordinator Keith Armstrong was blocked by the team from interviewing with the New York Jets last season. The Jets, who are coached by Armstrong's former college teammate Todd Bowles, fired their special teams coordinator on Wednesday. Falcons assistants are evaluating their players this week. Armstrong is believed to be in the last year of his contract with the team. Reporter D. Orlando Ledbetter also clarifies that is the previous 2015 season's deal which will soon be up: YouTube has taken down clips of it due to NFL copyright issues, but you may also remember him from a "Hard Knocks" episode in which he lit into his unit. If our head coach can use his sway and work something out with Keith, this could become a very good partnership. Hopefully, Todd bowls him over so we don't have to strong arm him. (Come on, that's gold!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 his contract expires this year Yup. I answered my own question Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 more info on Armstrong: via NYDN Jets special teams coordinator likely to be Falcons’ Keith Armstrong JOHN AMIS/APFalcons special teams coordinator Keith Armstrong could join Gang Green. The candidate likely to replace former special teams coordinator Bobby April is one of Todd Bowles’ old college teammates: Falcons special teams coordinator Keith Armstrong. Bowles tried to hire Armstrong a year ago, but he was still under contract with the Falcons. A source told the Daily News that Bowles now wants to bring a friend onboard that he couldn’t get last year — making Armstrong the obvious favorite to land the job. According to the Atlanta Journal Constitution, Armstrong’s contract with the Falcons is believed to be up soon. FIVE KEY JETS PLAYERS WHO COULD BE GONE NEXT SEASON Bowles and Armstrong were teammates together for three seasons at Temple under Bruce Arians. Armstrong has coached the Falcons’ special teams since 2008 and interviewed for the team’s head coaching position a year ago. He coached special teams for the Dolphins from 2001-2007 and with the Bears from 1997-2000. The Falcons ranked fourth in kickoff return average and 11th in punt return average in 2015. However, they also ranked 31st in average kickoff return yards and 21st in average punt yards allowed. The Jets fired April on Wednesday despite Bowles originally saying on Monday that he anticipated his entire staff returning in 2016. However, April was always a candidate to be let go after the Jets were particularly poor on special teams — four touchdowns allowed — in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I don't really give a **** who they hire, as long as he can teach guys when to and not to take the ball out of the end zone... and when to and not to field a punt inside the 10 yard line. I mean for **** sake, we just watch the Jets do the opposite of what is right probably 75% of the time on just kick returns alone. If he can get a punter to not **** up in key situations it might be nice also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pointman Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Is this guy any good? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I don't really give a **** who they hire, as long as he can teach guys when to and not to take the ball out of the end zone... and when to and not to field a punt inside the 10 yard line. I mean for **** sake, we just watch the Jets do the opposite of what is right probably 75% of the time on just kick returns alone. If he can get a punter to not **** up in key situations it might be nice also. The punter is a tough one to put on the coach. You can give a great coach a bad punter, and he's still a bad punter. Kickoffs, at this point... Stand 2 yards deep in the End Zone. If you take 1 STEP BACK DON'T TAKE IT OUT. Coverage can be taught. But even kick off coverage, get a really good kick off specialist and half the job is done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Someone please enlighten us with the Falcons special teams statistics for this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Someone please enlighten us with the Falcons special teams statistics for this year Since they don't use the same players as we do, dont play the same schedule we do and don't play an outdoor NE schedule like we do their stats arent all that insightful. Have to do it the way Weshoff said he rated STs. How they performed on a given sunday against another teams STs. If you wont the head to head battle every Sunday and your overall numbers sucked its meaningless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Since they don't use the same players as we do, dont play the same schedule we do and don't play an outdoor NE schedule like we do their stats arent all that insightful. Have to do it the way Weshoff said he rated STs. How they performed on a given sunday against another teams STs. If you wont the head to head battle every Sunday and your overall numbers sucked its meaningless Well it would be nice if someone put some numbers out there so we can judge. I don't know how his unit did this year at all so I don't really have an opinion on him as of now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I don't really give a **** who they hire, as long as he can teach guys when to and not to take the ball out of the end zone... and when to and not to field a punt inside the 10 yard line. I mean for **** sake, we just watch the Jets do the opposite of what is right probably 75% of the time on just kick returns alone. If he can get a punter to not **** up in key situations it might be nice also. Sounds like this guy will yell at them until they get it right/break down and cry/lose their job, sort of like Westhoff used to do. Good enough for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Any other sources confirm Armstrong yet? Was he let out of his contract or did he quit the ATL job? Westy has said "No." Rich Cimini ESPN Staff Writer In case anyone is wondering (and I know some of you are), former longtime Jets special teams coach Mike Westhoff isn't interested in coming out of retirement to replace Bobby April, who was fired yesterday. "Forget it, thanks for asking, but I'm not coming back," Westhoff said today on ESPN New York 98.7. No one said Todd Bowles was interested in hiring Westhoff, but his name came up in speculation because he was a popular coach and has remained visible. Westhoff works locally as an analyst for ESPN radio and SNY TV. Share 4h Forget Westy being the ST coach. Sign him to be our punter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Well it would be nice if someone put some numbers out there so we can judge. I don't know how his unit did this year at all so I don't really have an opinion on him as of now. I never get how going to the internet to ask someone else on the internet to search the internet for stats is easier than just going to the internet in the first place. lol Again, given the STs players could be real shlt or could be a pro bowl unit. So what good are most of the numbers to anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
munchmemory Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Is this guy any good? All I know is he looks fabulous in shades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I don't really give a **** who they hire, as long as he can teach guys when to and not to take the ball out of the end zone... and when to and not to field a punt inside the 10 yard line. I mean for **** sake, we just watch the Jets do the opposite of what is right probably 75% of the time on just kick returns alone. If he can get a punter to not **** up in key situations it might be nice also. How about they let the ST coach have some input on who he WANTS to get doing the deeds of PR, KO returner, FG kicker, ST unit. Our depth in this area was pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Well it would be nice if someone put some numbers out there so we can judge. I don't know how his unit did this year at all so I don't really have an opinion on him as of now. Football Outsiders ranked Atlanta's special teams unit as 22nd overall last year in weighted DVOA (we were 23rd), but a lot of that was due to their kicking game (they had a -3.9 kicking grade, we were +4.4). Since Folk represents a strength for us, that won't be a problem. Atlanta was further hurt in this category because they're a dome team, which factors into the grades. A kicker having a horrible year in a dome stadium obviously looks worse than a kicker having a bad year at, say, Heinz Field. Where Atlanta graded a lot better than us was in the kick return game. They were graded out as +0.2. We were -5.6. And remember, this was despite losing Devin Hester for the season in October with a toe injury. Also, in 2014, Atlanta was the 10th-ranked overall unit in special teams by weighted DVOA. Since Armstrong was hired to run the ST unit in 2008, they've graded out as high as 3rd and never lower than 22nd in any given year. In short, he's an upgrade over April, for sure, and has a good relationship with Bowles to boot. This would be a solid hire. Source: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I never get how going to the internet to ask someone else on the internet to search the internet for stats is easier than just going to the internet in the first place. lol Again, given the STs players could be real shlt or could be a pro bowl unit. So what good are most of the numbers to anyone? I'm at work don't get hostile. So you mean to tell me that coaching has nothing to do with how players perform? If the numbers are no good why even keep statistics? OF COURSE NUMBERS MATTER!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Hands down, looks like an upgrade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Football Outsiders ranked Atlanta's special teams unit as 22nd overall last year in weighted DVOA (we were 23rd), but a lot of that was due to their kicking game (they had a -3.9 kicking grade, we were +4.4). Since Folk represents a strength for us, that won't be a problem. Atlanta was further hurt in this category because they're a dome team, which factors into the grades. A kicker having a horrible year in a dome stadium obviously looks worse than a kicker have a bad year at, say, Heinz Field. Where Atlanta graded a lot better than us was in the return game. In punt returning, they were graded out as +2.1. We were -17.9. In kick returning they were +0.2. We were -5.6. It helps that they have Devin Hester, but FO attempts to remove those kinds of variables in their analysis. Also, in 2014, Atlanta was the 10th-ranked overall unit in special teams by weighted DVOA. Since Armstrong was hired to run the ST unit in 2008, they've graded out as high as 3rd and never lower than 22nd in any given year. In short, he's an upgrade over April, for sure, and has a good relationship with Bowles to boot. This would be a solid hire. Source: http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/teamst Thank you for providing me with the information that Jet Nut told me was useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Thank you for providing me with the information that Jet Nut told me was useless. What's really more important is that Armstrong looks like a bada$$. Because that worked so well for Dan Campbell and all. The math is just for nerds and stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 What's really more important is that Armstrong looks like a bada$$. Because that worked so well for Dan Campbell and all. The math is just for nerds and stuff. Being a badass is part of the equation but numbers are what coaches are evaluated on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I'm at work don't get hostile. So you mean to tell me that coaching has nothing to do with how players perform? If the numbers are no good why even keep statistics? OF COURSE NUMBERS MATTER!!! Shlt todays the touchy day. Hostile? Did you miss the LOL. One more time. How do you know if he did a great coaching job with shltty players or a horrible job with great players by reading stats? I'm guessing our return numbers might look a little better with Sproles, Hester or Cribbs on our ST's. That you hit cap locks to say numbers matter and want to know why they keep them is an issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UntouchableCrew Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Special teams were simply dreadful this year, in just about every conceivable category. Surely blame lies with the players too but I have zero problem with canning April and bringing in the guy Bowles wanted all along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 What's really more important is that Armstrong looks like a bada$$. Because that worked so well for Dan Campbell and all. The math is just for nerds and stuff. Can someone explain to this kid that knowing what their unit did without the context of the talent level is meaningless. That if they were ranked 20th and we were ranked 30th he may not have done a better job. Or maybe he did Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 One more time. How do you know if he did a great coaching job with shltty players or a horrible job with great players by reading stats? I'm guessing our return numbers might look a little better with Sproles, Hester or Cribbs on our ST's. The stats FO presents attempts to remove those variables. And in any case, we know Armstrong produced with limited personnel. He lost his star KR/PR Devin Hester to a season-ending toe injury less than a month into the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Special teams were simply dreadful this year, in just about every conceivable category. Surely blame lies with the players too but I have zero problem with canning April and bringing in the guy Bowles wanted all along. Yeah, worst part is he didnt seem to have an answer. Late, very late in the season he settled the return against team but KR, PR, teams never got better. Kerley never changed what he did and stupid plays still happened to often Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Can someone explain to this kid that knowing what their unit did without the context of the talent level is meaningless. The solution to that is not chalking up the numbers to being meaningless. The solution is doing some research and finding out what the differences in the two units were. Which I did, with a simple Wikipedia search that told me when Hester went down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 The stats FO presents attempts to remove those variables. And in any case, we know Armstrong produced with limited personnel. He lost his star KR/PR Devin Hester to a season-ending toe injury less than a month into the season. Exactly my point. I know he has personnel issues in Atlanta, especially when youre counting on Hester and what he brings. Trying to tell him the numbers in a sense here mean little. Its why I love Westy and his you compare the unit to the opposition every week. Takes into account weather, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Exactly my point. I know he has personnel issues in Atlanta, especially when youre counting on Hester and what he brings. Trying to tell him the numbers in a sense here mean little. Its why I love Westy and his you compare the unit to the opposition every week. Takes into account weather, etc. I don't know what you mean by any of this. Is your point that Armstrong was limited in personnel like April was? His unit performed better than ours overall, so that means he represents an upgrade over April. The numbers I presented take into account weather and opposition already. They're built into the metrics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I don't really give a **** who they hire, as long as he can teach guys when to and not to take the ball out of the end zone... and when to and not to field a punt inside the 10 yard line. I mean for **** sake, we just watch the Jets do the opposite of what is right probably 75% of the time on just kick returns alone. If he can get a punter to not **** up in key situations it might be nice also. It was poking at my football soul watching that week after week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BallinPB Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 Stats matter to everything. For somebody to say it doesn't is stupid. That's how coaches and players are evaluated. That's how most normal everyday working people are evaluated. Personnel matters I know that. But in the end it's only an excuse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted January 8, 2016 Share Posted January 8, 2016 I don't know what you mean by any of this. Is your point that Armstrong was limited in personnel like April was? His unit performed better than ours overall, so that means he represents an upgrade over April. The numbers I presented take into account weather and opposition already. They're built into the metrics. Whats going on today? lol I'm saying Armstrongs unit was effected by the loss of Hester. So its hard to say he coached up or down this year. Making straight numbers meaningless. My point, you cant look at numbers and get a complete picture of what the coach did. I think April sucked, outlined why above. Armstrong is highly thought of apparently and Bowles is comfortable with him. Seems like he did a good job, so thats the only way I get to evaluate them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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