Irish Jet Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 1 minute ago, section314 said: I'm sure it's Fitz since he mentioned him in his post. Yeah I realised re-reading it but acting like Fitz, who I like, was the only major change and reason for the team's improvement is ridiculous. Wilk improved himself and was the best player on the team's best unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Just now, Irish Jet said: Yeah I realised re-reading it but acting like Fitz, who I like, was the only major change and reason for the team's improvement is ridiculous. Wilk improved himself and was the best player on the team's best unit. No argument there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: That is just awful logic and you know it. Plenty of recent Superbowl D's have been built on the defensive line - The Giants and Ravens come to mind. Who the hell even mentioned a QB? What decent QB are you even talking about? Look I understand when a fan gets love for a player no contract is too big to pay him.. BTW the Giants and Ravens QB's are both pretty good.. I mentioned Fitz had a pretty good year did you miss that part?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 10 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: TX you are bitter because Revis walked away from the Patriots how about this Brady will be nothing more than a JAG QB this year. Father time has his sights set on both Revis and Brady.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Father time has his sights set on both Revis and Brady.. Age is more of a detriment for a CB than a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 1 minute ago, Savage69 said: Look I understand when a fan gets love for a player no contract is too big to pay him.. BTW the Giants and Ravens QB's are both pretty good.. I mentioned Fitz had a pretty good year did you miss that part?? It's nothing to do with liking one player more than another. Revis is one of my favourite Jets ever, he just isn't the guy we should have been investing in. People here find crazy ways to discredit Wilkerson, like talking down the importance of his position, talking up Richardson/Williams (Not realising the contradiction that presents) and even talking down his own ability - As if he didn't just have an insanely good season. He's 26 and improving every season, incredibly consistent and basically the complete defensive lineman - He's the guy you invest in and build the unit around, not f*cking Revis. It would be like had the Patriots cut lose Richard Seymour and invested instead in Ty Law. This should never have happened. Wilkerson is one of the few successes we've produced in recent years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 20 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: Age is more of a detriment for a CB than a QB. Absolutely but I don't think Brady is going to get better with age.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet Nut Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 30 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: Why would I be bitter about an overpayed, overhyped CB leaving the Pats? Revis was atrocious down the stretch and especially in the playoffs. The fact that you spend so much time trying to convince people that he's overpaid and a soon to be jag says it all. Youre butt hurt that after rolling into NE, winning a SB he ran out on the Pats for the Jets. It's too obvious, you're obsessed with all things Revis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Absolutely but I don't think Brady is going to get better with age.. Only a fool would think that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 The issue isnt really Revis' contract, but more giving Harris, Skrine, Gilchrist theirs....when we probably could have gotten by with Miles, Henderson, Williams etc and paid Mo. I mean the guy did have 12 sacks last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 18 minutes ago, Irish Jet said: It's nothing to do with liking one player more than another. Revis is one of my favourite Jets ever, he just isn't the guy we should have been investing in. People here find crazy ways to discredit Wilkerson, like talking down the importance of his position, talking up Richardson/Williams (Not realising the contradiction that presents) and even talking down his own ability - As if he didn't just have an insanely good season. He's 26 and improving every season, incredibly consistent and basically the complete defensive lineman - He's the guy you invest in and build the unit around, not f*cking Revis. It would be like had the Patriots cut lose Richard Seymour and invested instead in Ty Law. This should never have happened. Wilkerson is one of the few successes we've produced in recent years. Most fans I see having nothing but praise for Mo who is a very good player.. Some put him above what Klecko was to the Jets in his time as a player.. To me that's pushing it but fans are entitled to their opinion.. Given a choice I would have not minded if the Revis contract went to Mo except for one problem,Mo wanted more.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 2 minutes ago, Matt39 said: The issue isnt really Revis' contract, but more giving Harris, Skrine, Gilchrist theirs....when we probably could have gotten by with Miles, Henderson, Williams etc and paid Mo. I mean the guy did have 12 sacks last year. So did Jones of the Pats where is he now?? Oh yeah he's a Card.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin L Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 56 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: Cornerback is an important position in the NFL. Run stuffing defensive end is not. He's a run stuffing DE only if you ignore the fact that he's been averaging almost 10 sacks a year for the last 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Just now, Savage69 said: So did Jones of the Pats where is he now?? Oh yeah he's a Card.. Mo wasnt smoking drugs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 1 minute ago, Matt39 said: Mo wasnt smoking drugs Good point Jones may have had 20 sacks drug free..LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainejet Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 I just hope the Jets can manage to get some good picks for Mo. There's no way that a contract gets done and I am glad the Jets are not budging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 17 minutes ago, Mainejet said: I just hope the Jets can manage to get some good picks for Mo. There's no way that a contract gets done and I am glad the Jets are not budging. This particular player id like to see them budge on and not budge 1 damn bit for Fitzpatrick who can be easily replaced Mo Wilk not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 1 hour ago, Kevin L said: He's a run stuffing DE only if you ignore the fact that he's been averaging almost 10 sacks a year for the last 3 years. In his career he averages about 7 sacks a year. That's not elite. He's great against the run and solid against the pass. Let's not make him out to be Reggie White. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainejet Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 1 hour ago, joewilly12 said: This particular player id like to see them budge on and not budge 1 damn bit for Fitzpatrick who can be easily replaced Mo Wilk not so much. 100% nonsensical....... QB is the most important position on the field. DE isn't even close. I am very happy the Jets are not going to give into 50 million guaranteed for Wilk. He's on crack if he thinks he's worth that anyway. QB is a very important cog in an otherwise stinko offense. With that said, I am glad the Jets are not bending the money stance for either player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Mo Wilk are there any links or reports to his salary demands what does he want and what have the jets offered. Why burn the guy at the stake when none of this seems to be available. The fact they signed all the DL men that they did in free agency seems they are preparing to be without Mo Wilk this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 1 minute ago, Mainejet said: 100% nonsensical....... QB is the most important position on the field. DE isn't even close. I am very happy the Jets are not going to give into 50 million guaranteed for Wilk. He's on crack if he thinks he's worth that anyway. QB is a very important cog in an otherwise stinko offense. With that said, I am glad the Jets are not bending the money stance for either player. QB is most certainly more important depending on who that QB might be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 3 hours ago, jack48 said: he could sign. he has been tagged. does he think the team will somehow set him free this year? Yes, via a trade to Cleveland I hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 13 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: This particular player id like to see them budge on and not budge 1 damn bit for Fitzpatrick who can be easily replaced Mo Wilk not so much. It was Fitz and the O that got the Jets to 10 wins not Mo.. It was the O on Houston that helped get them 9 wins not Watt by himself although the Texan D did play pretty well against us and their O had TJ Yates starting his first game of the 2015 season.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin L Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 21 minutes ago, CrazyCarl40 said: In his career he averages about 7 sacks a year. That's not elite. He's great against the run and solid against the pass. Let's not make him out to be Reggie White. Certainly not Reggie White, but not just a run stuffer. Snacks was just a run stuffer. Mo is much more than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Just now, Savage69 said: It was Fitz and the O that got the Jets to 10 wins not Mo.. It was the O on Houston that helped get them 9 wins not Watt by himself although the Texan D did play pretty well against us and their O had TJ Yates starting his first game of the 2015 season.. The easy schedule got us 10 wins and the fact that the QB had the 2 best WRs in the league. Marshall and Decker made Fitz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 11 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: The easy schedule got us 10 wins and the fact that the QB had the 2 best WRs in the league. Marshall and Decker made Fitz. When I said Fitz and the O the O would include not only Marshall and Decker but Ivory and all the rest.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 40 minutes ago, Kevin L said: Certainly not Reggie White, but not just a run stuffer. Snacks was just a run stuffer. Mo is much more than that. Not much more than that. His pass rushing skills leave much to be desired. Like I said, solid but not game changing. Not enough to consider paying him what he's asking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 That one was all Woody. I tend to agree with you, especially after letting him go to the Bucs and then getting a ring with the Pats. Woody wanted to save face with the fans and he ended up making a piss poor decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Not much more than that. His pass rushing skills leave much to be desired. Like I said, solid but not game changing. Not enough to consider paying him what he's asking for. DE's with double digit sacks don't grow on trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 Quote In his career he averages about 7 sacks a year. That's not elite. He's great against the run and solid against the pass. Let's not make him out to be Reggie White. 300 pounders in this league that are outright better pass rushers or better against the pass than Wilkerson: JJ Watt Aaron Donald I love the constant attempts from the same group of people, for some unknown reason and with zero incentive, to try and discredit this guy even a little bit as a player. Over lame sh*t like sack totals too - no context necesssary either. The 315 pounder DE/DT/UT/NT is held to the same standards as the typical 275 pound 4-3 DE and 260 pound 3-4 OLBs when it comes to sacks - the only scientific way to dent the pass or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 21 minutes ago, PatsFanTX said: DE's with double digit sacks don't grow on trees. You're right. They don't. And they're still not worth 16 million dollars and are less important than #1 corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 You're right. They don't. And they're still not worth 16 million dollars and are less important than #1 corners. Elite corners yes. JAG corners no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 We need to invent some sort of Wilkerson drinking game. Every time a poster says JJ Watt or Reggie White you have to take a shot. Of your own urine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bocajetfan Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 1 hour ago, RutgersJetFan said: We need to invent some sort of Wilkerson drinking game. Every time a poster says JJ Watt or Reggie White you have to take a shot. Of your own urine. Churchill would have played this game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adoni Beast Posted April 17, 2016 Share Posted April 17, 2016 3 hours ago, joewilly12 said: Mo Wilk are there any links or reports to his salary demands what does he want and what have the jets offered. Why burn the guy at the stake when none of this seems to be available. The fact they signed all the DL men that they did in free agency seems they are preparing to be without Mo Wilk this season. I don't believe there are any reports about specific #'s, but there have been reports that he wants J Watt money. They've been tryinfg to resign him since Rex/Idzik regime. This deal is never getting done if there are still that far away after a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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