j4jets Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 4 hours ago, NYs Stepchild said: Yeah like Fitz didn't play with Breno Winters, Cumberland, and Ivory all year. He just gets the ball out quicker. Come on man 3 picks in 8 attempts. 5 straight games with no TDs. 2 years running as the reigning worst QB in the NFL as voted by players and coaches. Fitz finished the year 5-1. Bowels has said all along that Fitz is the starter when he signs, and still believes that he will. This dream you have is just not reality based. Sorry man. Worst set of offense in the league further depleted with injuries with a sophomore QB. Did I mention he played really well when he had two healthy WRs? How did Fitz play in the games he didn't have his backup RB? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 34 minutes ago, jetscrazey said: I saw enough in a preseason game and Oakland. Also, please impart upon us your wisdom. It seems you know something the entire Jets front office doesn't know about Geno Smith. Otherwise they wouldn't get pursuing Fitzpatrick idiot. Lol at you seeing him in the pre season. That was Fitz. And lol at you for seeing enough of him in the Oakland game. Too bad he couldn't play D. Mand there are 31 other teams that feel Fitz has nothing to offer. Maybe Mac knows more about Fitz. Or maybe he's still holding back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 11 minutes ago, j4jets said: Lol at you seeing him in the pre season. That was Fitz. And lol at you for seeing enough of him in the Oakland game. Too bad he couldn't play D. Mand there are 31 other teams that feel Fitz has nothing to offer. Maybe Mac knows more about Fitz. Or maybe he's still holding back. If you think Geno Smith is a starting NFL QB you just don't know very much about football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 4 hours ago, jetscrazey said: If you think Geno Smith is a starting NFL QB you just don't know very much about football How many was saying the same thing about Fitz last year? How many Jets fans were willing to pay Fitz 12 million just 365 days ago? You typing with your fingers shows how little you know about the sport. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 5 hours ago, jetscrazey said: I saw enough in a preseason game and Oakland. Also, please impart upon us your wisdom. It seems you know something the entire Jets front office doesn't know about Geno Smith. Otherwise they wouldn't get pursuing Fitzpatrick idiot. I'll play this "idiot" game with you since you like to use this word alot. You're fairly new around here so I guess you need to be broken in. So, you seen enough in a preseason game and in Oakland....is that right? We're going to stick to this ^^^^^^ given that your original statement was about "QB's in the context of the system" and not your damage controlling statement about the Jets front office. So, I have a question. What preseason game did you see Geno Smith play in under Chan Gailey and his system? If I remember correctly Geno was injured during the entire preseason and Gailey has only been an OC here for 1 season. What preseason game do you speak of exactly??????? This Oakland game, Geno didnt play 4 quarters because he didnt start the game. However, he did end with 265 yards, 2 TD's 1 INT, 64% comp rate and 34 rushing yards. The funny thing is, if you were to project those stats throughout 16 games Geno Smith would have thrown for more yards, more TD's , better comp percentage and rushed for more yards than Fitzpatrick. In otherwords, Geno's numbers would have not only been better Fitzpatrick, but better than Derek Carr's....who was a probowler this year. You've generally called Jets fans who give Geno the benefit of the doubt an idiot as well as called me an idiot directly. I dont mind the name calling because it only reflects on you and ultimately shows the amount of respect I need to have for you as a poster here. But do me a favor, dont back track, dont change the subject into "what/why the front office are doing certain things". Keep this on the "QB's in the context of the system". Please, explain to this idiot what preseason game you're referring to, because for some reason no one in the world has seen this game, not even Geno Smith. Also, how is it that you can compare Geno Smith's Oakland game coming in a back up role to Fitz 4 years in the system? Lastly, if you come to the conclusion that Geno Smith never played a preseason game under Chan Gailey, does that make you an idiot for saying it as well as using it as some sort of proof? lol Please, explain to me here how this method of yours isnt an idiot position. And again, dont back track or change the f'ing subject. Just answer the questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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HessStation Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 for the onteenth or whatever time Geno $1MM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fitzpatrick $8MM+++ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colgateman Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Geno will be the starting quarterback of the New york Jets, because he will sh*t all over fitztragic, and waltz the Jets into Foxboro for the Division round, where he will painfully be beaten 42-17, as 17 million dollar declining Revis whom put the Jets in cap hell gets burnt by Edelman for 3 touchdowns but the Jets will know that they finally have their quarterback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 10 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Looks pretty good to me. He knows how to lead his receivers. And where to put the ball (of course expecting guys like Marshall to make good plays). And with Forte a seasoned good receiving running back he with Bilal fit right into this offense. A big mistake not to follow up on this success and idiotic not to sign the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 hour ago, joewilly12 said: Amazing how many adjustments these WRs had to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 17 minutes ago, j4jets said: Amazing how many adjustments these WRs had to make. They made Fitzpatrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanatic Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 hour ago, Colgateman said: Geno will be the starting quarterback of the New york Jets, because he will sh*t all over fitztragic, and waltz the Jets into Foxboro for the Division round, where he will painfully be beaten 42-17, as 17 million dollar declining Revis whom put the Jets in cap hell gets burnt by Edelman for 3 touchdowns but the Jets will know that they finally have their quarterback Actually other than the Texan game, Revis was not beaten deep last season. I am hoping that the surgery on his injured wrist will allow him to jam again at the line of scrimmage and prevent what happened in week 17 when Watkins continually caught under- neath passes. In their first game Watkins was held to 14 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 I think Fitz will be back but if he isn't that won't kill the team long term at all. All I know is that if we have to go with Geno and the two young guys we can be ready for a horror show at Qb this season. Something we are well used to. Garbage Qbing just killing the team on a weekly basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainejet Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 3 hours ago, Colgateman said: Geno will be the starting quarterback of the New york Jets, because he will sh*t all over fitztragic, and waltz the Jets into Foxboro for the Division round, where he will painfully be beaten 42-17, as 17 million dollar declining Revis whom put the Jets in cap hell gets burnt by Edelman for 3 touchdowns but the Jets will know that they finally have their quarterback Your a dumb sh*t, you know that? There's NO way Geno starts for the Jets. NO way. Now, if you weren't so busy stroking the Patses you might know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainejet Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 2 hours ago, Beerfish said: I think Fitz will be back but if he isn't that won't kill the team long term at all. All I know is that if we have to go with Geno and the two young guys we can be ready for a horror show at Qb this season. Something we are well used to. Garbage Qbing just killing the team on a weekly basis. But I'm not sure the entire fan base would be? If Mac goes into the season with Geno as his starting QB the entire season will go down the drain and everyone knows that. It will put Mac's job in jeopardy. I doubt he'd get fired after the season but a lot of people would giving him very harsh criticism that could, later on, down the road, lead to his demise. Don't forget the season ticket holders have a very powerful lobby. They're the ones that got John Idzik fired. Don't think they couldn't do it again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 29 minutes ago, Mainejet said: But I'm not sure the entire fan base would be? If Mac goes into the season with Geno as his starting QB the entire season will go down the drain and everyone knows that. It will put Mac's job in jeopardy. I doubt he'd get fired after the season but a lot of people would giving him very harsh criticism that could, later on, down the road, lead to his demise. Don't forget the season ticket holders have a very powerful lobby. They're the ones that got John Idzik fired. Don't think they couldn't do it again. Macs job does not hinge on Geno, it hinges on guys like Darron Lee and Hackenburg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 16 hours ago, jetrider said: That guy looks awesome! He should be our starting QB! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Macs job does not hinge on Geno, it hinges on guys like Darron Lee and Hackenburg. I wouldnt even say that his job hinges on a guy like Hackenberg. He's a 2nd round pick. Macc's job hinges on providing Bowles with the players needed to field a talented team. He's done a great job blending a mix of young players with older talented vets. That includes Fitzpatrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainejet Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 4 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Macs job does not hinge on Geno, it hinges on guys like Darron Lee and Hackenburg. But it start the criticism, Beerfish. Starting Geno would ultimately come down to Mac opting to take away the teams competitiveness by settling for Geno. Whether he is Mac's choice or not, does not matter. Fans will see that Mac had Fitz available and he chose to pass over him. That can easily damage Mac's reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 About 3 of those ghastly plays had anything at all to do with having weaponzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 3 minutes ago, Mainejet said: But it start the criticism, Beerfish. Starting Geno would ultimately come down to Mac opting to take away the teams competitiveness by settling for Geno. Whether he is Mac's choice or not, does not matter. Fans will see that Mac had Fitz available and he chose to pass over him. That can easily damage Mac's reputation. I won't disagree becasue of the owner i guess but real owners will listen to fans but not cave into the 1st sign of dissent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mainejet Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, Beerfish said: I won't disagree becasue of the owner i guess but real owners will listen to fans but not cave into the 1st sign of dissent. That's exactly what I am saying Beerfish, and I really don't think Mac would be fired if he stated Geno, but it would certainly start the criticism that could ultimately lead to his demise down the road. This will already be a very challenging season based on the schedule. If Mac got cheap and lost out on Fitz, the end result would appear outwardly to the fans as though Mac was mailing it in, like he didn't care if the team was competitive or not. Tha, IMO, was the very reason why the fans went after John Idzik. With Fitz, at least every fan knows that Mac went down fighting and fielding the very best team possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 9 hours ago, Villain The Foe said: How many Jets fans were willing to pay Fitz 12 million just 365 days ago? What does this have to with 2016? Absolutely nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 This thread is one big circle-jerk of idiocy. Barring an injury to someone else, Geno Smith will NOT be the Jets starting QB in week 1. Mark it down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 1 minute ago, jetscrazey said: This thread is one big circle-jerk of idiocy. Barring an injury to someone else, Geno Smith will NOT be the Jets starting QB in week 1. Mark it down. Glad you joined in we were missing another jerk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Just now, joewilly12 said: Glad you joined in we were missing another jerk. I am the voice of sanity in this thread saying Geno is not a starting-caliber NFL QB, and I got downvoted for speaking the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 Just now, jetscrazey said: I am the voice of sanity in this thread saying Geno is not a starting-caliber NFL QB, and I got downvoted for speaking the truth. So you support future Hall of Fame QB Ryan Fitzpatrick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 7 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: So you support future Hall of Fame QB Ryan Fitzpatrick. Where the hell did I say Fitz is a HOFer? In 2016, yes is the best choice. In 2017, I'd rather Petty or Hackenburg, who I still have hope for. Geno I have no hope for as a starting NFL QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BowlesMovement Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 12 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: Glad you joined in we were missing another jerk. Nice, guy makes a post voicing his opinion and is called a jerk.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 26 minutes ago, jetscrazey said: I am the voice of sanity in this thread saying Geno is not a starting-caliber NFL QB, and I got downvoted for speaking the truth. We welcome you to the conversation anyone on this forum who doesn't support Fitz is a jerk dont take it personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 51 minutes ago, joewilly12 said: We welcome you to the conversation anyone on this forum who doesn't support Fitz is a jerk dont take it personally. I'd also rather start Hackenberg than Geno. At least Hack looks to have a shred of pocket awareness, and though he's inaccurate, he's not that much more inaccurate than Geno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 2 minutes ago, jetscrazey said: I'd also rather start Hackenberg than Geno. At least Hack looks to have a shred of pocket awareness, and though he's inaccurate, he's not that much more inaccurate than Geno. Just let the best QB play. If it's Hack, so be it. I doubt it though. That'd be setting him up for failure if not ready. Similar to what we did to Geno, but on the plus side Hack would have a good team/staff around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 While the whole discussion is an interesting one. No matter where you fall on the spectrum though The Jets are signing Fitz, he's going to start without any competition and the Jets are going to pay at least $12mm for him this year. Like it or not, at this point, this is more or less fact Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike135 Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 37 minutes ago, FidelioJet said: While the whole discussion is an interesting one. No matter where you fall on the spectrum though The Jets are signing Fitz, he's going to start without any competition and the Jets are going to pay at least $12mm for him this year. Like it or not, at this point, this is more or less fact Agreed. That is the most likely outcome, but still hoping we let him walk. It is possible. I mean the Jets leaked the offer details. Why would they do that? I'd imagine to get things moving along. Plus, and here's what I like, chances are they're not gonna budge much from those numbers now since they've made them public. All we need is for Fitz to say "no", and we are golden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted May 30, 2016 Share Posted May 30, 2016 2 hours ago, jetscrazey said: What does this have to with 2016? Absolutely nothing. Consistency has absolutely nothing to do with many Jets fans. Their opinions change like knee-jerk reactions at the doctors office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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