Broncos getting tired of Sanchez mistakes

[Savage69]

2 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

I suppose not completely useless, but just mostly useless.  He had about 2 good drives in each game.  In the Colts game he no-showed in 3 out of 4 quarters.  As a rookie with a running game that was useless that day, I have no problem giving him a pass on that, but he deserves absolutely no praise for it either.  In the Steelers game, he was responsible for 7 Steelers' points in a 5 point loss, which is made only worse when you consider the Jets O only put up 17.  That's plain awful.

Jet Fans still blame Doug Brien for missing fg's in the playoff loss to Pitt and the Jets Offense put up 0 points in that one..LOL

[Matt39]

 

[detectivekimble]

1 hour ago, Matt39 said:

Both were on Rex. His defense got embarrassed by Peyton and they treated the Patriot game like the last Super Bowl that would ever be played.

The defense only gave up 17 points in the Steelers game.  Maybe Mark should have put some points on the board in the first half instead of going three and out after three and out.

The 49ers defense gave up 17 straight to the Falcons in the NFCCG.  But the 49ers were actually able to, you know, score some points and sustain some drives.

Also, Rex's defense looked fine against Peyton until half the secondary went out with injuries.  Peyton started picking on the fourth and fifth CBs.  Which fourth and fifth CBs do you know that would stop a prime Peyton Manning?

[detectivekimble]

1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

useless? he led us to a double digit lead in the Colts title game then nearly brought us back from 24-0.  he and the O gave us a chance to win that game, the D cost us BOTH championship games.

He was the reason for that 0.  He also led the offense to a net of 12 points (they scored 19, but his fumble led to a defensive TD).  

[rex-n-effect]

How did I know this thread would quickly descend into three pages of rehashing Sanchez's time here?

Sanchez has his opportunity on one of the best teams in the league. If he can't get it done there then there is little room to argue for his skills.

[Bleedin Green]

3 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

Jet Fans still blame Doug Brien for missing fg's in the playoff loss to Pitt and the Jets Offense put up 0 points in that one..LOL

That really is the perfect point of comparison.  If you're being as generous as humanly possible to the offense in that 2004 game, you can credit them with a grand total of 6 offensive points if Brien had hit one of those missed FGs, but it was all his fault, while beloved folks like Chad (or an unnamed RB who I believe you have some thoughts on) were somehow blameless.

[Bleedin Green]

6 minutes ago, detectivekimble said:

He was the reason for that 0.  He also led the offense to a net of 12 points (they scored 19, but his fumble led to a defensive TD).  

How generous of you to give the offense credit for the defense's safety points.

[The Crusher]

Broncos getting frustrated at mistakes made by the guy most famous for the Buttfumble?  That's like getting mad at your farts for smelling.

[JETSfaninNE]

TS gets the nod to start the 2nd Preseason game for the Broncos.  Hold on to your britches Sanchez!

[carlito1171]

2 hours ago, Xtina said:

As more and more time  passes, it becomes increasingly hard to believe we actually got to two AFCCG's with Sanchez. In his rookie and 2nd year to boot.  Not sure how they managed it, seems like a mirage now 

Prime Santonio Holmes and Braylon Edwards, Prime Revis, Thomas Jones, Ladanilan Tomlinson, Young Shonn Greene 

[Villain The Foe]

8 minutes ago, carlito1171 said:

Prime Santonio Holmes and Braylon Edwards, Prime Revis, Thomas Jones, Ladanilan Tomlinson, Young Shonn Greene 

Sounds like it takes a team. 

[Villain The Foe]

 

[nyjunc]

56 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

Your giving them points that didn't happen I was talking about what did happen.. In the 2nd half the D shut out the Steelers that is also fact not fiction.. The game is played on the field in reality not what you think may happen in your mind..

the Pitt O destroyed us all 1st half, they get the ball near midfield they are scoring.  The D sh*t them out but couldn't stop them when we needed it most.

55 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

I suppose not completely useless, but just mostly useless.  He had about 2 good drives in each game.  In the Colts game he no-showed in 3 out of 4 quarters.  As a rookie with a running game that was useless that day, I have no problem giving him a pass on that, but he deserves absolutely no praise for it either.  In the Steelers game, he was responsible for 7 Steelers' points in a 5 point loss, which is made only worse when you consider the Jets O only put up 17.  That's plain awful.

he got blindsided in that Steeler game, it was stupid to try and throw on 3rd and long.  our D cost us BOTH title games

51 minutes ago, Savage69 said:

Jet Fans still blame Doug Brien for missing fg's in the playoff loss to Pitt and the Jets Offense put up 0 points in that one..LOL

he missed 2 makeable FGs

40 minutes ago, detectivekimble said:

He was the reason for that 0.  He also led the offense to a net of 12 points (they scored 19, but his fumble led to a defensive TD).  

no he wasn't, Pitt controlled the clock most of that 1st half, he had limited opps and we had some bad penalties.  he was way down the list why we didn't win that day- he gave us a chance w/ no run game.

[flgreen]

Trevor Siemian to start for Broncos this week

Posted by Josh Alper on August 18, 2016, 1:04 PM EDT

AP

Mark Sanchez got his chance to start at quarterback for the Broncos in their preseason opener and Trevor Siemian’s first shot to lead the unit will come on Saturday against the 49ers.

Coach Gary Kubiak made the announcement after Thursday’s joint practice for the two teams concluded. Kubiak said that he expected Siemian to play about a quarter and a half with Sanchez seeing the same amount of time before rookie Paxton Lynch closes out the game.

Kubiak also said he wants to see both Siemian and Sanchez play with the first team, although he said that the way the game unfolds could alter some of his plans for how much they play and who Sanchez is playing with. He was asked if he’d like to make a decision about the starter for the regular season after the 49ers game.

“Yes. Will I? I don’t know,” Kubiak said.

If the Broncos don’t have a decision, their choice of starter for the third preseason game on August 27 will likely give a hint about which way they are leaning.

[nyjunc]

39 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

That really is the perfect point of comparison.  If you're being as generous as humanly possible to the offense in that 2004 game, you can credit them with a grand total of 6 offensive points if Brien had hit one of those missed FGs, but it was all his fault, while beloved folks like Chad (or an unnamed RB who I believe you have some thoughts on) were somehow blameless.

to be fair, Chad was playing the #1 D on the road w/ a torn rotator cuff in his throwing shoulder.  he didn't play well but the K HAS to make one of those kicks.

37 minutes ago, Bleedin Green said:

How generous of you to give the offense credit for the defense's safety points.

if not for the O failing at the 1 then Pitt doesn't fumble and our D doesn't fall on Ben for the safety.

16 minutes ago, carlito1171 said:

Prime Santonio Holmes and Braylon Edwards, Prime Revis, Thomas Jones, Ladanilan Tomlinson, Young Shonn Greene 

Thomas Jones was shot by the playoffs, LT was terrible most of 2010, Greene had a couple of great runs but wasn't consistent.  we had good talent, nothing close to the 2015 Jets.

[jgb]

Remember that time when Sanchez said his plan for reducing turnovers was to "just stop"?  How's that working out?

Apparently he meant stop appearing in games. That has definitely cut down on the turnovers

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[Integrity28]

3 hours ago, nyjunc said:

by all accounts he has had a good camp and he had a good first game

I don't know what "all accounts" is, but it clearly don't include Denver coaching staff. LOL

[j4jets]

4 hours ago, Jetsfan80 said:

This is why people saying the Broncos will pick up right where they left off last year are mistaken.  Sanchez isn't a "game manager".  He's a gunslinger who doesn't throw TD's.  Even if you limit his # of throws in a game to about 20, he'll still find a way to turn it over in backbreaking fashion.

And as bad as Peyton Manning was last year, he still had the ability to manage an offense and help make the running game strong.  Sanchez has no ability to do that.  They were still correct not to pay Osweiler, but this year is going to be brutal for Denver until Paxton Lynch comes along.

Disagree. Broncos won the SB with the worst QB play last year. As bad as Sanchez may be, he can still throw and can win playoff games. He did just that his first couple of years here. He was a good part of the reason why we won those games. 

[nyjunc]

9 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

I don't know what "all accounts" is, but it clearly don't include Denver coaching staff. LOL

huh? how do you get that?  

[Integrity28]

Just now, nyjunc said:

huh? how do you get that?  

Did I miss when he won the starting job? Or is he still in danger of losing it to an absolute nobody?

[nyjunc]

Just now, Integrity28 said:

Did I miss when he won the starting job? Or is he still in danger of losing it to an absolute nobody?

so it's not possible the QB that was already in that system is playing well too? he's going to win the job, it's a competition.  Mark started week 1, the other guy this week.  whoever starts next week will win the job.

[Integrity28]

1 minute ago, nyjunc said:

so it's not possible the QB that was already in that system is playing well too? he's going to win the job, it's a competition.  Mark started week 1, the other guy this week.  whoever starts next week will win the job.

Bold isn't necessarily true.

Regardless, you're moving this away from the initial comment: If "by all accounts" he is having a good camp, but he hasn't won the job yet, the coaches must not agree. There's not much more to discuss. Perhaps you disagree. I'm not getting into hypothetical arguments or any of that stuff though. There are more indications that he's having a more mediocre camp, than good.

[nyjunc]

2 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

Bold isn't necessarily true.

Regardless, you're moving this away from the initial comment: If "by all accounts" he is having a good camp, but he hasn't won the job yet, the coaches must not agree. There's not much more to discuss. Perhaps you disagree. I'm not getting into hypothetical arguments or any of that stuff though. There are more indications that he's having a more mediocre camp, than good.

by all accounts the other guy is having a good camp too and he had a good 1st game.  

 

where are these indications? I only see speculation based on his past.  

[flgreen]

Geez, I'm hoping in 5 years we're not still having 10 page treads on smith/Fitz

[Integrity28]

Just now, nyjunc said:

by all accounts the other guy is having a good camp too and he had a good 1st game.  

 

where are these indications? I only see speculation based on his past.  

Any statement that follows "by all accounts" is also speculative.

The indications are him not being the starter yet. That is the current.

No need to start spiraling bud. Relax.

[Jetsfan80]

3 hours ago, Xtina said:

As more and more time  passes, it becomes increasingly hard to believe we actually got to two AFCCG's with Sanchez. In his rookie and 2nd year to boot.  Not sure how they managed it, seems like a mirage now 

Reason # 1:  Quality veteran talent that was already here before Rex arrived.  Mangold, Brick, Woody, etc etc.  We had a tremendous O-line and a talented defense.

Reason # 2:  Rex's system took the league by storm.  That is undeniable.  But much like the league figured out Tony Sparano's Wildcat offense, the league figured Rex out too.  It just took a couple years rather than one season to do so.

Reason # 3:  Revis had the most unbelievable season a corner has ever had in this league in 2009.  And despite his holdout in 2010, he was nearly as good the next year too.  In a league that was just getting used to how good the passing attacks are, having a corner that could shut down the best WR on every team was insanely valuable.  However, the league adjusted to that too:  By bringing in pass rushers in droves.  Why force your corners to be immaculate at coverage when you can just go to the source and take out the QB?  Easier said than done, but the teams that COULD were the ones that won titles.  Rex's teams rarely generated a pass rush without blitzes, and even then, we stopped getting there in time.  So our defense dropped in the rankings over time just like Buffalo's did.

[nyjunc]

2 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Reason # 1:  Quality veteran talent that was already here before Rex arrived.  Mangold, Brick, Woody, etc etc.  We had a tremendous O-line and a talented defense.

Reason # 2:  Rex's system took the league by storm.  That is undeniable.  But much like the league figured out Tony Sparano's Wildcat offense, the league figured Rex out too.  It just took a couple years rather than one season to do so.

Reason # 3:  Revis had the most unbelievable season a corner has ever had in this league in 2009.  And despite his holdout in 2010, he was nearly as good the next year too.  In a league that was just getting used to how good the passing attacks are, having a corner that could shut down the best WR on every team was insanely valuable.  However, the league adjusted to that too:  By bringing in pass rushers in droves.  Why force your corners to be immaculate at coverage when you can just go to the source and take out the QB?  Rex's teams rarely generated a pass rush without blitzes, and even then, we stopped getting there in time.  So our defense dropped in the rankings over time just like Buffalo's did.

#1- we had talent that couldn't win w/ Brett Favre at QB

#2- he was a DC running the same schemes for years in baltimore, 2009 wasn't a surprise to the rest of the league

#3- revis started very slow and was hurt and missed games early in the year, the 2nd half of '10 hew as GREAT but we still were a great team early that season w/ him on the bench and nowhere bear healthy.

[nyjunc]

10 minutes ago, Integrity28 said:

Any statement that follows "by all accounts" is also speculative.

The indications are him not being the starter yet. That is the current.

No need to start spiraling bud. Relax.

I haven't seen any negative stories on him that were speculative.

[Integrity28]

2 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

I haven't seen any negative stories on him that were speculative.

You said, "by all accounts he's had a good camp". You were speculating. You aren't in camp evaluating. His coaches are, they aren't giving him the job.

End scene.

[Jetsfan80]

2 hours ago, Savage69 said:

As Tuna's D did in the Denver/Jet AFCCG giving up 23 unanswered points in the 2nd half.. So I guess you can say both the D and the O sucked as well in that one..

And what exactly does that have to do with Rex sucking at his job?

[nyjunc]

1 minute ago, Integrity28 said:

You said, "by all accounts he's had a good camp". You were speculating. You aren't in camp evaluating. His coaches are, they aren't giving him the job.

End scene.

have the coaches told him he doesn't have the job? have they been criticizing him?  by all accounts he's had a good camp, show me the negative articles that are actually about what he has done in camp?

[Jetsfan80]

1 hour ago, Savage69 said:

Jet Fans still blame Doug Brien for missing fg's in the playoff loss to Pitt and the Jets Offense put up 0 points in that one..LOL

Again, what does that have to do with Rex sucking at his job?

[Jetsfan80]

33 minutes ago, j4jets said:

Disagree. Broncos won the SB with the worst QB play last year. As bad as Sanchez may be, he can still throw and can win playoff games. He did just that his first couple of years here. He was a good part of the reason why we won those games. 

He was terrible his first 2 seasons, just as he has been his whole career.  He was always a top 5 reason why we lost games and almost never a top reason why we won.  # 1 defense and # 1 running game in 2009.  Also elite in both categories his 2nd season.  He was by far the # 1 reason we failed to win the Super Bowl either season. 

[Villain The Foe]

10 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

#1- we had talent that couldn't win w/ Brett Favre at QB

#2- he was a DC running the same schemes for years in baltimore, 2009 wasn't a surprise to the rest of the league

#3- revis started very slow and was hurt and missed games early in the year, the 2nd half of '10 hew as GREAT but we still were a great team early that season w/ him on the bench and nowhere bear healthy.

The Jets were 8-3 and defeated the 10-0 Titans before Favre almost had his arm ripped off in a game because the OC wanted to run a hurry-up offense with no RB in the backfield to pick up blitzers. The Jets went 1-4 after that injury and Favre had a 2-9 TD/INT ratio after that injury. 

That team was easily playoff bound before the injury. 

[nyjunc]

4 minutes ago, Villain The Foe said:

The Jets were 8-3 and defeated the 10-0 Titans before Favre almost had his arm ripped off in a game because the OC wanted to run a hurry-up offense with no RB in the backfield to pick up blitzers. The Jets went 1-4 after that injury and Favre had a 2-9 TD/INT ratio after that injury. 

That team was easily playoff bound before the injury. 

the injury was nothing more than an excuse, he was not good the majority of that season.  they had a weak sched, no Brady and STILL couldn't make the playoffs while our old QB took a 1 win team and won 11 and a div title.