TNJet Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 3 hours ago, detectivekimble said: Exactly. It also helps that Idzik was a sh*tty drafter. These two guys are his only good picks. You can let everyone else walk and not suffer for it. Um, Richardson and Pryor are good players also drafted by Idzik. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Idizk sucked, drafting two decent players out of how many picks, does not make him good. I could have drafted better blind drunk. Winters started coming on last year, and Q is our future #1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 1 hour ago, Beerfish said: I was shocked to see Enunwa pull away from those dudes. Elevated his stock even further. He should be the one saying that Marshall can be really good if he works on the jugs machine all winter now instead of the other way around. Winters? Would be stupid to let him walk. You draft, develop and suffer with a player and then you let him go? Just another hole you then have to fill, with a rookie who you will have to develop and live with. I was impressed with his speed too. One guy almost caught him, another guy (not sure if CB or S) should have caught him, but took a terrible angle (even if you didn't know how fast he was that angle would only catch me - must have gone to the pryor school for angles). Either way, he is great and way faster than I thought. We have to lock him up. I am still not convinced he is a true #1. I said in another thread a 1a. He is getting open as he is getting covered by the #2 corner (only since Decker has been gone) and yesterday that play I believe he was covered by the LB. Remember when Decker was our #1 and had trouble some games getting catches (I know he was hurt too)? Maybe he grows into it. But let's see how he plays always getting the #1 CB and sometimes the #1 CB and Safety help like Marshall gets. Either way, the guy is a keeper and a steal as a late round draft pick. Credit the CS for helping him grow, but credit Idzik (I think it is the clock being right twice a day) for the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Straw Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 25 minutes ago, TNJet said: Um, Richardson and Pryor are good players also drafted by Idzik. Calvin Pryor is a great strong safety in1994. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Straw Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 1 hour ago, T0mShane said: Are young, talented offensive linemen, disruptive DE's and freak wide receivers important? Because Idzik delivered those. Macc found a nice punter, though. 13 of the 19 players Idzik drafted weren't good enough to make the Jets this year, and we're terrible. Think about that for a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 3 hours ago, JiF said: The nice thing is, they can use one of either the Harris or Revis contracts to pay them both!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's like a 2 for 1. If they use the Revis contract we will even have plenty left over too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hael Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 Im a little less enamored with Enunwa than some people. His routes are still raw and you can see a lot of mistakes when you watch the tape. Yea he has freakish measurables like Marshall, but I mean you can see a large difference between the two nonetheless and it isn't close. You hope he might develop into something like that, but it's still a long term project. I see him as a serviceable but not elite 2 right now, or a top tier 3 with potential number 1 like talent if the stars align. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 2 hours ago, Tinstar said: This is not that big of a deal . We can sign both those guys and Wesley Johnson with the money we save by dumping Mangold and Marshall . All we have to do is go draft another WR and another OC somewhere in the draft next yr to develop . Johnson takes mangold's place and Enunwa takes the place of Marshall . We keep the 5 kids, and maybe Decker if we have too and we move forward Enunwa Decker Smith D Anderson Peake Marshall J We may not have developed a QB, but we sure as heck have developed some WRs and they are all big and fast . I think it is too early still to really know what we have in most of these guys. They have shown flashes that they can be reliable receivers but i don't think any of them have shown the capability to be great (yet). Obviously we hold onto the young kids and let them show us more but hopefully we bring in more rookies next season too and let them compete. Decker i think we let go after his contract is up and it will probably allow us to retain two of the young kids down the road. We will probably need to lock Enunwa up because he is essentially our blocking tightend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebuzzardman Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 1 hour ago, TNJet said: Um, Richardson is a good player also drafted by Idzik. Fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varjet Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 1 hour ago, TNJet said: Um, Richardson and Pryor are good players also drafted by Idzik. Richardson is a great player who unfortunately we will have a tough time keeping because we drafted Leo. Then again, I understand there is some flexibility to get out of Wilkerson's contract down the road. I can see Pryor not getting his contract renewed. It will be hard to value him correctly. They may be better off with someone else drafted in Round 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 My favorite Idzik picks were the two first round DBs that can't cover. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted October 24, 2016 Share Posted October 24, 2016 13 minutes ago, sourceworx said: My favorite Idzik picks were the two first round DBs that can't cover. Amazing . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 5 hours ago, peebag said: Yea...I'm still not sold on him - he's gotten beat like a mule against good competition and c'mon - the dude gave himself a concussion trying to cheapshot another player. let him walk. Well with such thorough analysis as that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C Mart Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 4 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said: I haven't been as impressed with Winters as some of you. He strikes me as a below average starter. Damien Woody (@damienwoody) 10/23/16, 5:58 PM On a different note, Brian Winters might be the Jets best OL. Dude is quietly turning into a good guard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 6 hours ago, detectivekimble said: Enunwa is a FA after the 2017 season and is only getting better. Winters has turned into a really good RG and is a FA after this year. The Jets need to lock both of these guys up. **** everyone else! Thanks Idzik! Calvin Pryor, Quincy Enunwa and IK punched out Geno. 2014 draft wasn't as terrible as we thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rangers9 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 I want to see Q get more targets, Esp on 3rd downs. He's earned it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 4 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Thanks Idzik! Calvin Pryor, Quincy Enunwa and IK punched out Geno. 2014 draft wasn't as terrible as we thought. Umm, Pryor kind of sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 7 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Thanks Idzik! Calvin Pryor, Quincy Enunwa and IK punched out Geno. 2014 draft wasn't as terrible as we thought. Double post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted October 25, 2016 Author Share Posted October 25, 2016 3 hours ago, TNJet said: Um, Richardson and Pryor are good players also drafted by Idzik. I forgot about Richardson. Pryor, no. He's not good. He's not even better than Rontez Miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted October 25, 2016 Author Share Posted October 25, 2016 3 hours ago, bostonmajet said: I was impressed with his speed too. One guy almost caught him, another guy (not sure if CB or S) should have caught him, but took a terrible angle (even if you didn't know how fast he was that angle would only catch me - must have gone to the pryor school for angles). Either way, he is great and way faster than I thought. We have to lock him up. I am still not convinced he is a true #1. I said in another thread a 1a. He is getting open as he is getting covered by the #2 corner (only since Decker has been gone) and yesterday that play I believe he was covered by the LB. Remember when Decker was our #1 and had trouble some games getting catches (I know he was hurt too)? Maybe he grows into it. But let's see how he plays always getting the #1 CB and sometimes the #1 CB and Safety help like Marshall gets. Either way, the guy is a keeper and a steal as a late round draft pick. Credit the CS for helping him grow, but credit Idzik (I think it is the clock being right twice a day) for the pick. He doesn't need to be a #1 WR or a #1 TE or any label. He's a playmaker. That's good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detectivekimble Posted October 25, 2016 Author Share Posted October 25, 2016 3 hours ago, Hael said: Im a little less enamored with Enunwa than some people. His routes are still raw and you can see a lot of mistakes when you watch the tape. Yea he has freakish measurables like Marshall, but I mean you can see a large difference between the two nonetheless and it isn't close. You hope he might develop into something like that, but it's still a long term project. I see him as a serviceable but not elite 2 right now, or a top tier 3 with potential number 1 like talent if the stars align. Marshall is like a HoF WR. You should see a difference between Marshall and most WRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack48 Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 16 hours ago, JetPotato said: Good player. Not a star. I'd say upside is Jerricho Cotchery. Definitely room on the roster for guys like that, but not for silly money. Enunwa could run laps around Cotchery, and he is much more powerful after the catch. Physical freak. Too bad he does not have an NFL quality QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonmajet Posted October 25, 2016 Share Posted October 25, 2016 11 hours ago, detectivekimble said: He doesn't need to be a #1 WR or a #1 TE or any label. He's a playmaker. That's good enough. He is fantastic. I was responding to some posts about either trading Marshall and/or not drafting Marshall's replacement as we had Q. He is a nightmare to cover by a #2 CB or a LB. I still think you need either a true #1 or a couple of speedsters to allow him to beast more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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