jetscrazey Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 I'm so sick of seeing Pryor get beat or committing a penalty in coverage. It's time to call a spade a space and admit Pryor is a wasted asset when asked to cover. Make him a nickel LB where he can excel. That Buchanan type role in Arizona. Ideally, Revis should be the safety in Pryor's role and Burris should be starting at CB and getting his reps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 You do realize that even at linebacker he will be responsible in coverage, right? It's not like teams go, "oh, Pryor's playing linebacker, he can't be in coverage so we'll scheme for someone else to cover our TE..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted October 30, 2016 Author Share Posted October 30, 2016 9 minutes ago, BroadwayJoe12 said: You do realize that even at linebacker he will be responsible in coverage, right? It's not like teams go, "oh, Pryor's playing linebacker, he can't be in coverage so we'll scheme for someone else to cover our TE..." Much less frequent (and easier) assignments though and will stay closer to the line of scrimmage where he plays best Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 6 minutes ago, jetscrazey said: Much less frequent (and easier) assignments though and will stay closer to the line of scrimmage where he plays best Totally. Because you never see linebackers in coverages that often... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Too bad Idzik thought he was a safety.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsplayer21 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 43 minutes ago, BroadwayJoe12 said: You do realize that even at linebacker he will be responsible in coverage, right? It's not like teams go, "oh, Pryor's playing linebacker, he can't be in coverage so we'll scheme for someone else to cover our TE..." If a starting safety ,no matter how bad he is can't handle coverage as a LB he would be the very worst safety in history Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealeb319 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Pryor seems to play pretty well while moving toward the opposing team when he has to turn down the field he plays poorly. He could be a great player if he was only played to his strengths.Sent from my LG-D850 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigRy56 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 He's like 210 pounds, what kind of linebacker weighs 210 pounds? Even the tiny linebacker is 220. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscanes331 Posted October 30, 2016 Share Posted October 30, 2016 Meanwhile Pryor made two huge plays in the 4th today. Doing his job. He's not our problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 6 hours ago, BroadwayJoe12 said: You do realize that even at linebacker he will be responsible in coverage, right? It's not like teams go, "oh, Pryor's playing linebacker, he can't be in coverage so we'll scheme for someone else to cover our TE..." He would have to fall back into coverage way less frequently and would be covering TE's and RB's instead of WR's. Look at Mark Barron in LA. Guy was a bust as a Safety he's now a very good everydown OLB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly12 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Pryor had a decent game this week and last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 12 minutes ago, drdetroit said: He would have to fall back into coverage way less frequently and would be covering TE's and RB's instead of WR's. Look at Mark Barron in LA. Guy was a bust as a Safety he's now a very good everydown OLB. Look at who he's currently covering when he's getting burned.. hint: they're TEs and RBs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 1 minute ago, BroadwayJoe12 said: Look at who he's currently covering when he's getting burned.. hint: they're TEs and RBs That's because he's lining up at FS and playing zone. He's not a centerfielder he doesn't have those instincts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 ..........maybe Definitely cant cover, i agree with that for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 You draft an Earl Thomas with a 1st round pick, but you draft a Calvin Pryor with a 4th rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesr Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 10 hours ago, drdetroit said: That's because he's lining up at FS and playing zone. He's not a centerfielder he doesn't have those instincts. Yesterday on the Barnridge PI play, he was playing man, up on the line, and screwed up trying to jam him. Didn't know how to recover (or wasn't able to) as he then had his back turned, so he had his hands all over the player. Seems to me like they're trying to get him to play outside of his ability / strengths. They did the same in KC. So who's to blame? The coaches for trying to expand his capabilities / get him experience to help him grow, or the player for not being up to speed on it all so far? If we're all pitching that we're happy to lose games with Petty / Hack as QB, to get them some experience, might as well do the same with our other personnel too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 17 hours ago, sourceworx said: Too bad Idzik thought he was a safety.... He was an ok SS last year.....this year it's all about Bowles running amok with his schemes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 2 hours ago, LIJetsFan said: He was an ok SS last year.....this year it's all about Bowles running amok with his schemes. So Idzik passed on multiple receivers, Teddy Bridgewater, and Derek Carr for "an OK Strong Safety." I feel so much better now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LIJetsFan Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 I'm just saying that it's not all Pryor's fault. But yeah Idzik blew it big time with this pick over one of those QB that many had rated higher here on this site in the draft forums, and many other places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 2 minutes ago, LIJetsFan said: I'm just saying that it's not all Pryor's fault. But yeah Idzik blew it big time with this pick over one of those QB that many had rated higher here on this site in the draft forums, and many other places. pryor is good when the action is in front of him. it would be interesting to see revis as a free safety where he can rely more on his instincts and less on worrying about covering the other team's best wr on an island. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinstar Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 Calvin Pryor was a mistake just like Dee Milner was a mistake . These were not the players the Jets wanted, but the players they felt they had to take because all the options they wanted were off the board . If what I wrote is not factual, then John Idzik was what all you folks claim he was. I don't believe he was . Hard to get past that press conference thou . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 22 hours ago, jetscrazey said: I'm so sick of seeing Pryor get beat or committing a penalty in coverage. It's time to call a spade a space and admit Pryor is a wasted asset when asked to cover. Make him a nickel LB where he can excel. That Buchanan type role in Arizona. Ideally, Revis should be the safety in Pryor's role and Burris should be starting at CB and getting his reps. Unoriginal thought already posted: On October 12, 2016 at 9:53 PM, Gas2No99 said: Move Pryor to ILB? With more speed and coverage ability required by defenses - and LBs specifically - to cover multi-WR spread formations and ridiculously athletic receiving TEs the ideal "measurables" for an ILB have changed dramatically for today's Modern NFL. The drafting of college safeties (SS, mostly) such as Shaq Thompson in CAR, Deone Bucannon in ARZ, Su'a Cravens in DC, indicates that the classic "Thumper" ILB (David Harris) is becoming obsolete and a liability in pass coverage. ILBs MUST be able to keep up with RBs and TEs in covering the underneath zones where the Jets have been CONSTANTLY burned in by opposing offenses. Lee is still learning and has had his significant rookie mistakes, but he is improving and fits the mold of the new darting LB that can also be overpowered or outruns the play. Pryor has been HORRENDOUS in coverage in the secondary and can not be trusted for deep coverage; he's been the main culprit in a lot of the BUSTS in coverage, especially against Seattle. He can still hit like a truck and has adequate speed to cover the underneath area. Just do not let him compromise the deep portions of the field as he's done thus far by keeping him as a safety. At this stage, I wonder if our CS would be willing to move Revis to FS, Gilchrist to SS, and utilizing Pryor - and Antonio Allen as well as he played LB @ USC- at ILB. If not this year, perhaps next year? Would Revis consider a move to safety? Would Pryor thrive as a front seven player instead of constantly being exposed with bad angles and awareness in the secondary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecca Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 21 hours ago, BigRy56 said: He's like 210 pounds, what kind of linebacker weighs 210 pounds? Even the tiny linebacker is 220. Mark Barron is an American football outside linebacker for the Los Angeles Rams of the National Football League. Wikipedia Born: October 27, 1989 (age 27), Mobile, AL Height: 6′ 1″ Weight: 214 lbs Current team: Los Angeles Rams (#26 / Linebacker, Safety) Education: University of Alabama, St Paul's Episcopal School Mark Barron is also a former 1st round pick Safety, whom is excelling at Linebacker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mecca Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 The 116 tackles that Mark Barron made for the St. Louis Rams during the 2015 season could have an impact on the 2016 NFL Draft later this month. Barron might be Exhibit B for what's likely to become a trend in the NFL – the safety-turned-linebacker. Exhibit A would be the Arizona Cardinals' Deone Bucannon. "(Bucannon) was that type of player coming out -- you could tell," Los Angeles Rams coach Jeff Fisher said. "... We're experiencing the same thing in L.A. right now with having re-signed Mark Barron. Same type of player, same responsibilities -- behind the line of scrimmage, sideline to sideline, matches tight ends, does the same things but an undersized linebacker, an oversized defensive back. "It appears with the two of them -- and I'm sure there're more; I haven't studied the league per se -- but there will be more of those hybrid guys that are kind of in between." An All-American safety at Alabama and a starter in 37 games at strong safety for Tampa Bay after the Buccaneers selected him with the seventh pick in the 2012 NFL Draft, Barron began playing weakside linebacker last season when the Rams lost Alec Ogletree to a broken leg in the fourth game. He went on to lead the Rams in tackles for the 2015 campaign. Bucannon was an All-American safety at Washington and the 27th player picked in the 2014 NFL Draft. But he's never played safety for Arizona. With inside linebackers Daryl Washington suspended and Sean Weatherspoon hurt and Tony Jefferson, Rashad Johnson and Tyrann Mathieu available at safety, the Cardinals' coaches put Bucannon at an inside linebacker spot during his rookie training camp. In 2015, he led Arizona with 112 tackles. Bucannon is listed on the Cardinals' roster as weighing 208 pounds. The Rams' roster has Barron's weight at 213. They're well under the average size of an NFL linebacker. Barron still considers himself a safety, and Bucannon warms up with the defensive backs, but they aren't safeties that have crept forward or lined up closer to the football. The Cardinals and Rams have their safeties on the field at the same time as Bucannon and Barron, respectively. The Rams call Barron a weak safety. The Cardinals refer to Bucannon as the moneybacker, abbreviated $ILB in the gamebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 22 hours ago, BroadwayJoe12 said: You do realize that even at linebacker he will be responsible in coverage, right? It's not like teams go, "oh, Pryor's playing linebacker, he can't be in coverage so we'll scheme for someone else to cover our TE..." Coverage is one thing, he's also known for taking terrible angles and not wrapping people up, which is literally like the most important aspect of a LBer's job...it's all about angle pursuit and tackling technique. Just because one player did it once for this one team, doesnt mean its the recipe for every player that is struggling in their natural position. We're already seeing with Sheldon why its stupid to play guys out of position. Besides, this is literally why you signed a guy like Antonio Allen. We should start drafting athletic QB's and turning them into WR's because Terrelle Pryor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 1 minute ago, JiF said: Coverage is one thing, he's also know for taking terrible angles and not wrapping people up, which is literally like the most important aspect of a LBer's job...it's all about angle pursuit and tackling technique. Just because one player did it once for this one team, doesnt mean its the recipe for every player that is struggling in their natural position. We're already seeing with Sheldon why its stupid to play guys out of position. Besides, this is literally why you signed a guy like Antonio Allen. We should start drafting athletic QB's and turning them into WR's because Terrelle Pryor. So, and correct me if I'm wrong, but what you're saying is, we should base all of our draft picks and personnel decisions on statistical outliers and not common sense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted October 31, 2016 Share Posted October 31, 2016 2 minutes ago, BroadwayJoe12 said: So, and correct me if I'm wrong, but what you're saying is, we should base all of our draft picks and personnel decisions on statistical outliers and not common sense? Quinton Dunbar played WR at Florida. He's a corner for the Redskins. We should draft Antonio Callaway to take over for Revis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted October 31, 2016 Author Share Posted October 31, 2016 14 minutes ago, JiF said: Coverage is one thing, he's also known for taking terrible angles and not wrapping people up, which is literally like the most important aspect of a LBer's job...it's all about angle pursuit and tackling technique. Those bad angles are usually when Pryor is lined up deep and has to come up quite a bit to make the tackle. Keep him in the box and close to the line of scrimmage and he's much more effective as a tackler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 On 10/31/2016 at 10:38 AM, sourceworx said: So Idzik passed on multiple receivers, Teddy Bridgewater, and Derek Carr for "an OK Strong Safety." I feel so much better now. But we had Geno! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted November 3, 2016 Share Posted November 3, 2016 On 10/30/2016 at 3:07 PM, sourceworx said: Too bad Idzik thought he was a safety.... I wish he thought Derek Carr was a safety instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sourceworx Posted November 4, 2016 Share Posted November 4, 2016 On 11/2/2016 at 11:53 PM, Powpow said: But we had Geno! ? Exactly. He was content with Geno Smith. Of all the mistakes he made, that may have been his biggest. You may not like the Hackenberg pick, but at least it shows that Mac isn't just going to take one QB and cross his fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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