PFW: Now is the time when teams are finalizing 2017 NFL Draft boards, making trade calls

[C Mart]

Draft Day facts on building the board, making trade calls and final say when teams on clock

By GREG GABRIEL -- @greggabe

Published: April 10, 2017 — 9:37 a.m.

You will never hear me refer to the Draft Room as the “War Room”. To me, it is the Draft Room, and I will always use that phrase. Since I have told the story before, I won’t bore you with the whole thing again.

Thirteen years ago, former Arizona Cardinal safety Pat Tillman lost his life fighting the war against terrorism. I was with the Chicago Bears at the time, and we were in the middle of our draft meetings when word came that Tillman had been killed. One of our scouts was a close friend of Tillman’s, and when word came of his death, it affected everyone in the room.

Tillman was fighting a war; we were preparing for a player draft in a game. In my opinion and the opinion of our scouts, it was wrong and disrespectful to refer to our Draft Room as a "War Room". In honor of Pat Tillman, we stopped calling our Draft Room a "War Room". To this day, that tradition holds true in the offices of the Chicago Bears.

Trade Charts and how they fit into Draft Day Deals

Talking to fans, I almost always get the perception that they feel that the players who are selected, and decisions to trade up or down, are done at the last minute. That couldn’t be further from the truth. Who a club drafts, or if they trade up or down early in the Draft, is determined in the meetings leading up to the big day.

Just like a club prepares a game plan for each game, they prepare a plan for the draft. All scenarios are talked about at length, and come Draft Weekend, that plan is put into place. Very rarely is a decision made adlib.

If a club thinks there is no way they can select a certain player where they stand in the draft order, then the option of trading up is discussed. Not only is it discussed, but how far they have to move up to get that player is also determined. There is always a price to pay in order to move up, and that price is determined by the trade chart that has been in place for over 25 years.

The trade chart is not an absolute, but more of a guide, as the strength of each draft creates its own market, so to speak. In a situation like last year, where two different clubs traded up into the first two spots in the draft to take the top quarterbacks, they had to pay a slight premium for those picks. Once you get past those top few picks, then a market is created each year, but for the most part it is fairly close to what the chart says.

When a club makes the decision to want to trade down, they obviously have to have a partner. Again, the strength of the draft can determine if there will be players worth trading up for. They have to be the type of player that more than a couple clubs feel are difference-makers.

In a draft like this year's, trading down can be a very useful tool, as this draft is deep through the first two days, and adding extra picks can be beneficial to teams with several needs. Still, there is a risk in trading down, as a club doesn’t want to go so far as to not be able to select a player below a certain value point. That is why when a club makes a determination to trade down, that decision usually means they will only trade down so far. That might mean going down three or four slots or maybe as much as seven or eight. No matter how far they go, it was predetermined in the clubs draft meetings leading up to the Draft.

A club has to have a plan, if it doesn’t decisions are made at the last minute, then they can usually backfire. Right now, with just over two weeks before the beginning of the Draft, clubs will start making calls about trading up or down. In most cases, no deals are made this early, but rather letting other clubs know what your Draft Day intentions are. Usually, beginning a couple days before the draft and then right up to when a club in “on the clock”, trades are discussed. By letting other clubs know your intentions early, a club can be in a very good situation of having several options available to them when it comes time to pull the trigger on a trade.

Who Makes the Decision on which player to Draft?

Most clubs have a plan in place by the time they get to the Draft. They know what players they want to target —especially in the first four rounds. If the club has done a good job setting their board, those targeted players are usually available.

It’s fact that no two boards are alike. Needs and each club's player profile play a role in how the final board is set.

On each player, there are several different scouting reports. The area scout and the cross check scout will always have a report. Then there will be a report by the scouting director, the position coach, the coordinator and possibly the head coach or general manager. Reality is, there will be in most cases at least five or six reports on every player a club is interested in.

Given that there are so many reports, they are not all going to be in agreement as to the player’s value. The final grade on a player is more of a consensus of all the different grades. There will be significant discussion on the player and how he fits the clubs scheme. Plan is also put into place as to what the club can expect from the player as a rookie and second-year player. Generally these expectations are conservative in nature, as a club doesn’t want to overvalue what a player can do

When the board is set and the plan is in place for Draft day, some person has to have the final decision in what players are actually drafted. Leading up to when a club is on the clock, there will be discussion on the group of players the club is interested in drafting, and a priority is set on which player to select if there is more than just one targeted player.

When it comes to making the selection, one person in the room has final say. In most cases it’s the general manager, but it could be the head coach. It really depends on who has final say on the 53-man roster, as that can only be one person.

Regardless of who has the final say, you can be sure that there has been much research and discussion done on every player that is drafted.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2017/04/10/greg-gabriel-now-is-the-time-when-teams-are-finalizing-2017-nfl-draft-boards-making-trade-calls/adib7y5/

[Sarge4Tide]

Who are players that will be there at 6 that other teams might want to trade up for?  Trubisky, maybe.  If Jonathan Allen falls to 6, maybe.  If a contender loves OJ Howard or Mike Williams, they may want to trade up - Atlanta traded up to 6 to get Julio Jones, so that may be plausible.

[Augustiniak]

Just now, Sarge4Tide said:

Who are players that will be there at 6 that other teams might want to trade up for?  Trubisky, maybe.  If Jonathan Allen falls to 6, maybe.  If a contender loves OJ Howard or Mike Williams, they may want to trade up - Atlanta traded up to 6 to get Julio Jones, so that may be plausible.

fournette.

[varjet]

We should start a thread with each posters projected Jets Draft Board (at least top 5).

At this point I am at (I know I have posted different lists-assumes a possible trade down):

1-Garrett-consensus best player.  We are not getting  him.

2-OJ Howard-will be impactful tight end on 5 year contract who will help whatever QB plays.  He could be there.  Fills a roster spot immediately, but because we have no TE, does not allow us tor release anyone.

3-Trubisky-he may be a Tannehill/Bortles/Sanchez clone, but that has made the playoffs, and he is better than anyone the Jets currently have.  It he is later upgraded, so be it, but it is not a guarantee.

4-Adams-guaranteed star safety, even if only a strong one.  Allows Lee to be more of a blitzer and enables trading of or not resigning Pryor. 

5-Williams-subject to scouting, a Keyshawn type big receiver who can also help the QB.  Bye Bye Decker.

6-Davis-Ditto-ish.  Enunwa is also in year 4.  

7-Barnett-Pass rusher.  Enough Said.

8-Hooker-he has a enough potential to be worth it-can change a defense with his cover ability, but he will go possibly later than expected because of the depth of safeties in this draft, his injuries and his weaker run play.

Who is not on my list:

Fournette, Cook-rather take Mixon in second, or someone else.  Jets should invest in passing or passing defense.

Allen-enough DL.  They have not made difference. He is also undersized for this defense.

Watson-not seeing an NFL player yet-great intangibles, but in the NFL you need accuracy and velocity.

Foster-I think he may be too much of a knucklehead on and off the field.

Lattimore-injury prone.

Solomon Thomas-not a fit for this defense.  If the Jets ever switch to a 4-3, forget about competing for a couple more years.

 

I can see the pick being one of 1-4.

 

[nycdan]

1 hour ago, Sarge4Tide said:

Who are players that will be there at 6 that other teams might want to trade up for?  Trubisky, maybe.  If Jonathan Allen falls to 6, maybe.  If a contender loves OJ Howard or Mike Williams, they may want to trade up - Atlanta traded up to 6 to get Julio Jones, so that may be plausible.

You got me thinking, who traded down from that slot.  Of course it was Cleveland, who traded up again but ended up with nothing special.  But then I looked at the top of that 2011 draft and OMG, that was one of the best ever.

First half of the first round. 

Notice 12 of 16 picks were pro-bowlers.  Also notice 3 of the 4 who weren't were reaches at QB.  I think there might be a lesson there somewhere.

 

†	= Pro Bowler[N 1]

 

Rnd.	Pick #	NFL team	Player	Pos.	College	Conf.	Notes
	1	1	Carolina Panthers	Newton, Cam †	QB	Auburn	SEC	2015 NFL MVP, 2010 Heisman Trophy winner[N 2]
	1	2	Denver Broncos	Miller, Von †	LB	Texas A&M	Big 12	Super Bowl 50 MVP
	1	3	Buffalo Bills	Dareus, Marcell †	DT	Alabama	SEC
	1	4	Cincinnati Bengals	Green, A. J. †	WR	Georgia	SEC
	1	5	Arizona Cardinals	Peterson, Patrick †	CB	LSU	SEC
	1	6	Atlanta Falcons	Jones, Julio †	WR	Alabama	SEC	from Cleveland [R1 - 1]
	1	7	San Francisco 49ers	Smith, Aldon †	LB	Missouri	Big 12
	1	8	Tennessee Titans	Locker, Jake	QB	Washington	Pac-10
	1	9	Dallas Cowboys	Smith, Tyron †	OT	USC	Pac-10
	1	10	Jacksonville Jaguars	Gabbert, Blaine	QB	Missouri	Big 12	from Washington [R1 - 2]
	1	11	Houston Texans	Watt, J. J †	DE	Wisconsin	Big Ten	3× NFL Defensive Player of the Year
	1	12	Minnesota Vikings	Ponder, Christian	QB	Florida State	ACC
	1	13	Detroit Lions	Fairley, Nick	DT	Auburn	SEC
	1	14	St. Louis Rams	Quinn, Robert †	DE	North Carolina	ACC
	1	15	Miami Dolphins	Pouncey, Mike †	C	Florida	SEC
	1	16	Washington Redskins	Kerrigan, Ryan †	DE	Purdue	Big Ten	from Jacksonville [R1 - 3]

[Joejet]

46 minutes ago, nycdan said:

You got me thinking, who traded down from that slot.  Of course it was Cleveland, who traded up again but ended up with nothing special.  But then I looked at the top of that 2011 draft and OMG, that was one of the best ever.

First half of the first round. 

Notice 12 of 16 picks were pro-bowlers.  Also notice 3 of the 4 who weren't were reaches at QB.  I think there might be a lesson there somewhere.

 

†	= Pro Bowler[N 1]

 

Rnd.	Pick #	NFL team	Player	Pos.	College	Conf.	Notes
	1	1	Carolina Panthers	Newton, Cam †	QB	Auburn	SEC	2015 NFL MVP, 2010 Heisman Trophy winner[N 2]
	1	2	Denver Broncos	Miller, Von †	LB	Texas A&M	Big 12	Super Bowl 50 MVP
	1	3	Buffalo Bills	Dareus, Marcell †	DT	Alabama	SEC
	1	4	Cincinnati Bengals	Green, A. J. †	WR	Georgia	SEC
	1	5	Arizona Cardinals	Peterson, Patrick †	CB	LSU	SEC
	1	6	Atlanta Falcons	Jones, Julio †	WR	Alabama	SEC	from Cleveland [R1 - 1]
	1	7	San Francisco 49ers	Smith, Aldon †	LB	Missouri	Big 12
	1	8	Tennessee Titans	Locker, Jake	QB	Washington	Pac-10
	1	9	Dallas Cowboys	Smith, Tyron †	OT	USC	Pac-10
	1	10	Jacksonville Jaguars	Gabbert, Blaine	QB	Missouri	Big 12	from Washington [R1 - 2]
	1	11	Houston Texans	Watt, J. J †	DE	Wisconsin	Big Ten	3× NFL Defensive Player of the Year
	1	12	Minnesota Vikings	Ponder, Christian	QB	Florida State	ACC
	1	13	Detroit Lions	Fairley, Nick	DT	Auburn	SEC
	1	14	St. Louis Rams	Quinn, Robert †	DE	North Carolina	ACC
	1	15	Miami Dolphins	Pouncey, Mike †	C	Florida	SEC
	1	16	Washington Redskins	Kerrigan, Ryan †	DE	Purdue	Big Ten	from Jacksonville [R1 - 3]

3 of the 4 qb's were busts.

[section314]

4 hours ago, C Mart said:

Draft Day facts on building the board, making trade calls and final say when teams on clock

By GREG GABRIEL -- @greggabe

Published: April 10, 2017 — 9:37 a.m.

You will never hear me refer to the Draft Room as the “War Room”. To me, it is the Draft Room, and I will always use that phrase. Since I have told the story before, I won’t bore you with the whole thing again.

Thirteen years ago, former Arizona Cardinal safety Pat Tillman lost his life fighting the war against terrorism. I was with the Chicago Bears at the time, and we were in the middle of our draft meetings when word came that Tillman had been killed. One of our scouts was a close friend of Tillman’s, and when word came of his death, it affected everyone in the room.

Tillman was fighting a war; we were preparing for a player draft in a game. In my opinion and the opinion of our scouts, it was wrong and disrespectful to refer to our Draft Room as a "War Room". In honor of Pat Tillman, we stopped calling our Draft Room a "War Room". To this day, that tradition holds true in the offices of the Chicago Bears.

Trade Charts and how they fit into Draft Day Deals

Talking to fans, I almost always get the perception that they feel that the players who are selected, and decisions to trade up or down, are done at the last minute. That couldn’t be further from the truth. Who a club drafts, or if they trade up or down early in the Draft, is determined in the meetings leading up to the big day.

Just like a club prepares a game plan for each game, they prepare a plan for the draft. All scenarios are talked about at length, and come Draft Weekend, that plan is put into place. Very rarely is a decision made adlib.

If a club thinks there is no way they can select a certain player where they stand in the draft order, then the option of trading up is discussed. Not only is it discussed, but how far they have to move up to get that player is also determined. There is always a price to pay in order to move up, and that price is determined by the trade chart that has been in place for over 25 years.

The trade chart is not an absolute, but more of a guide, as the strength of each draft creates its own market, so to speak. In a situation like last year, where two different clubs traded up into the first two spots in the draft to take the top quarterbacks, they had to pay a slight premium for those picks. Once you get past those top few picks, then a market is created each year, but for the most part it is fairly close to what the chart says.

When a club makes the decision to want to trade down, they obviously have to have a partner. Again, the strength of the draft can determine if there will be players worth trading up for. They have to be the type of player that more than a couple clubs feel are difference-makers.

In a draft like this year's, trading down can be a very useful tool, as this draft is deep through the first two days, and adding extra picks can be beneficial to teams with several needs. Still, there is a risk in trading down, as a club doesn’t want to go so far as to not be able to select a player below a certain value point. That is why when a club makes a determination to trade down, that decision usually means they will only trade down so far. That might mean going down three or four slots or maybe as much as seven or eight. No matter how far they go, it was predetermined in the clubs draft meetings leading up to the Draft.

A club has to have a plan, if it doesn’t decisions are made at the last minute, then they can usually backfire. Right now, with just over two weeks before the beginning of the Draft, clubs will start making calls about trading up or down. In most cases, no deals are made this early, but rather letting other clubs know what your Draft Day intentions are. Usually, beginning a couple days before the draft and then right up to when a club in “on the clock”, trades are discussed. By letting other clubs know your intentions early, a club can be in a very good situation of having several options available to them when it comes time to pull the trigger on a trade.

Who Makes the Decision on which player to Draft?

Most clubs have a plan in place by the time they get to the Draft. They know what players they want to target —especially in the first four rounds. If the club has done a good job setting their board, those targeted players are usually available.

It’s fact that no two boards are alike. Needs and each club's player profile play a role in how the final board is set.

On each player, there are several different scouting reports. The area scout and the cross check scout will always have a report. Then there will be a report by the scouting director, the position coach, the coordinator and possibly the head coach or general manager. Reality is, there will be in most cases at least five or six reports on every player a club is interested in.

Given that there are so many reports, they are not all going to be in agreement as to the player’s value. The final grade on a player is more of a consensus of all the different grades. There will be significant discussion on the player and how he fits the clubs scheme. Plan is also put into place as to what the club can expect from the player as a rookie and second-year player. Generally these expectations are conservative in nature, as a club doesn’t want to overvalue what a player can do

When the board is set and the plan is in place for Draft day, some person has to have the final decision in what players are actually drafted. Leading up to when a club is on the clock, there will be discussion on the group of players the club is interested in drafting, and a priority is set on which player to select if there is more than just one targeted player.

When it comes to making the selection, one person in the room has final say. In most cases it’s the general manager, but it could be the head coach. It really depends on who has final say on the 53-man roster, as that can only be one person.

Regardless of who has the final say, you can be sure that there has been much research and discussion done on every player that is drafted.

http://www.profootballweekly.com/2017/04/10/greg-gabriel-now-is-the-time-when-teams-are-finalizing-2017-nfl-draft-boards-making-trade-calls/adib7y5/

Oh boy.

[chirorob]

2 hours ago, nycdan said:

You got me thinking, who traded down from that slot.  Of course it was Cleveland, who traded up again but ended up with nothing special.  But then I looked at the top of that 2011 draft and OMG, that was one of the best ever.

First half of the first round. 

Notice 12 of 16 picks were pro-bowlers.  Also notice 3 of the 4 who weren't were reaches at QB.  I think there might be a lesson there somewhere.

 

†	= Pro Bowler[N 1]

 

Rnd.	Pick #	NFL team	Player	Pos.	College	Conf.	Notes
	1	1	Carolina Panthers	Newton, Cam †	QB	Auburn	SEC	2015 NFL MVP, 2010 Heisman Trophy winner[N 2]
	1	2	Denver Broncos	Miller, Von †	LB	Texas A&M	Big 12	Super Bowl 50 MVP
	1	3	Buffalo Bills	Dareus, Marcell †	DT	Alabama	SEC
	1	4	Cincinnati Bengals	Green, A. J. †	WR	Georgia	SEC
	1	5	Arizona Cardinals	Peterson, Patrick †	CB	LSU	SEC
	1	6	Atlanta Falcons	Jones, Julio †	WR	Alabama	SEC	from Cleveland [R1 - 1]
	1	7	San Francisco 49ers	Smith, Aldon †	LB	Missouri	Big 12
	1	8	Tennessee Titans	Locker, Jake	QB	Washington	Pac-10
	1	9	Dallas Cowboys	Smith, Tyron †	OT	USC	Pac-10
	1	10	Jacksonville Jaguars	Gabbert, Blaine	QB	Missouri	Big 12	from Washington [R1 - 2]
	1	11	Houston Texans	Watt, J. J †	DE	Wisconsin	Big Ten	3× NFL Defensive Player of the Year
	1	12	Minnesota Vikings	Ponder, Christian	QB	Florida State	ACC
	1	13	Detroit Lions	Fairley, Nick	DT	Auburn	SEC
	1	14	St. Louis Rams	Quinn, Robert †	DE	North Carolina	ACC
	1	15	Miami Dolphins	Pouncey, Mike †	C	Florida	SEC
	1	16	Washington Redskins	Kerrigan, Ryan †	DE	Purdue	Big Ten	from Jacksonville [R1 - 3]

Classic case of don't force a QB

[varjet]

2 minutes ago, chirorob said:

Classic case of don't force a QB

It appears that last year teams were avoiding forcing the QB, wtih the Broncos first to fall.

Yes, the Jets likely forced Hackenberg.  We will know in a year or two whether that was a complete screw up or consistent with the most common result for 2nd Round QBs (sometimes starters, sometimes good starters, but most often good backups).

[C Mart]

20 minutes ago, section314 said:

Oh boy.

Mcc has control of 53 man..Bowles gameday

[chirorob]

27 minutes ago, varjet said:

It appears that last year teams were avoiding forcing the QB, wtih the Broncos first to fall.

Yes, the Jets likely forced Hackenberg.  We will know in a year or two whether that was a complete screw up or consistent with the most common result for 2nd Round QBs (sometimes starters, sometimes good starters, but most often good backups).

Drafting a 3rd round guy in the 2nd is bad.   Drafting a 3rd round guy in the 1st is awful. 

Of course drafting a 6th rounder in the 2nd is worse.

[JetFreak89]

Just now, chirorob said:

Drafting a 3rd round guy in the 2nd is bad.   Drafting a 3rd round guy in the 1st is awful. 

Of course drafting a 6th rounder in the 2nd is worse.

Regardless, I'd much rather screw up a 2nd round pick than a Top 10.

[chirorob]

Just now, JetFreak89 said:

Regardless, I'd much rather screw up a 2nd round pick than a Top 10.

No 2nd round pick ever set a franchise back.   They cost 1/10th the money, and taking a QB top 10 means you are tied to him for 3 years.

[varjet]

3 hours ago, chirorob said:

Drafting a 3rd round guy in the 2nd is bad.   Drafting a 3rd round guy in the 1st is awful. 

Of course drafting a 6th rounder in the 2nd is worse.

Hack in his freshman year at PSU did what few college QBs do-he operated a pro style offense, dropped back, went through progressions.

Then he was awful at a different offense.

Only Peterman in this draft has done that (among top rated QBs)

This year will show what his round should have been  

 

 

[section314]

18 hours ago, C Mart said:

Mcc has control of 53 man..Bowles gameday

Thanks, you got me off the ledge!

 

[PepPep]

23 hours ago, varjet said:

-Trubisky-he may be a Tannehill/Bortles/Sanchez clone, but that has made the playoffs

What??? 

What do you base this on? Tannenhill, Bortles and Sanchez are all different QBs as well, came from somewhat different systems in college. Have different measurables. Etc., etc., etc.

Trubinsky is probably closer to Bortles than Tann. or Sanchez. But Bortles came out with a bigger upside, he's bigger in general (6'5, 230).

Sanchez made the playoffs, twice.    

[Beerfish]

19 hours ago, chirorob said:

No 2nd round pick ever set a franchise back.   They cost 1/10th the money, and taking a QB top 10 means you are tied to him for 3 years.

Multiple fails in the 2nd round do set a team back however.  You need to get a decent starter at least every 2nd draft.  The jets long history of terrible 2nd rounders has hurt this team.

[Beerfish]

1 hour ago, section314 said:

Thanks, you got me off the ledge!

 

You better get back on the ledge because there is enough of a disconnect between the two that the guys mac is drafting are being misused by the genius Bowles.

[chirorob]

9 hours ago, Beerfish said:

Multiple fails in the 2nd round do set a team back however.  You need to get a decent starter at least every 2nd draft.  The jets long history of terrible 2nd rounders has hurt this team.

Oh, you can't just skip the second year for a decade and think you are going to have success.  No doubts about that. 

Drafting a QB in the 2nd who doesn't pan out isn't the same as taking one #6 overall.   Of course, they did it twice in 5 years.

[chirorob]

On 4/10/2017 at 7:14 PM, varjet said:

Hack in his freshman year at PSU did what few college QBs do-he operated a pro style offense, dropped back, went through progressions.

Then he was awful at a different offense.

Only Peterman in this draft has done that (among top rated QBs)

This year will show what his round should have been 

Jury is out.  I was 100% on board with him doing nothing last year but sit and learn.  I think (and have stated repeatedly) that not enough QB's are given that chance.  This year we can see if he has something, anything. 

Of course, they have also drafted 7th round talent in the second round a few other years as well.....

[AFJF]

On 10/04/2017 at 4:08 PM, Sarge4Tide said:

Who are players that will be there at 6 that other teams might want to trade up for?  Trubisky, maybe.  If Jonathan Allen falls to 6, maybe.  If a contender loves OJ Howard or Mike Williams, they may want to trade up - Atlanta traded up to 6 to get Julio Jones, so that may be plausible.

I think the Browns want Trubisky if they can't get Jimmy G.  They need a QB and he's an Ohio kid.  They also have the ammo to move up and Jets would drop to 12.

[shuler82]

8 minutes ago, AFJF said:

I think the Browns want Trubisky if they can't get Jimmy G.  They need a QB and he's an Ohio kid.  They also have the ammo to move up and Jets would drop to 12.

But who's taking him between 7-11 if the Jets dont?

[Dinamite]

11 minutes ago, AFJF said:

I think the Browns want Trubisky if they can't get Jimmy G.  They need a QB and he's an Ohio kid.  They also have the ammo to move up and Jets would drop to 12.

I think the Browns might deal with TN at 5, rather than the Jets at 6 out of fear that the Jets may take Trubisky themselves. 

[AFJF]

Just now, Dinamite said:

I think the Browns might deal with TN at 5, rather than the Jets at 6 out of fear that the Jets may take Trubisky themselves. 

I imagine they'd call the Jets to offer a deal first since the Jets have said publicly they'd like to move down, and going from 12 to 6 as opposed to 12 to 5 would cost less.

[Dinamite]

14 minutes ago, AFJF said:

I imagine they'd call the Jets to offer a deal first since the Jets have said publicly they'd like to move down, and going from 12 to 6 as opposed to 12 to 5 would cost less.

The titans have also publicly expressed this.  And they are no threat to take Trubisky.

"The Tennessee Titans have made the No. 5 overall pick in April's NFL draft available for trade. 

Speaking to reporters at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis on Wednesday, Titans general manager Jon Robinson explained his team will entertain offers should they come in on draft night. 

"It's got to be a two-way street, we've got to have somebody that wants to move up to that spot, but like I said last year, we're open for business," he said, according to ESPN.com's Paul Kuharsky."

[Joejet]

22 minutes ago, shuler82 said:

But who's taking him between 7-11 if the Jets dont?

Buffalo's owner and coach went to North Carolina for a private workout with Trubisky.

[AFJF]

6 hours ago, Dinamite said:

The titans have also publicly expressed this.  And they are no threat to take Trubisky.

"The Tennessee Titans have made the No. 5 overall pick in April's NFL draft available for trade. 

Speaking to reporters at the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis on Wednesday, Titans general manager Jon Robinson explained his team will entertain offers should they come in on draft night. 

"It's got to be a two-way street, we've got to have somebody that wants to move up to that spot, but like I said last year, we're open for business," he said, according to ESPN.com's Paul Kuharsky."

Pick number six should be cheaper than number five.  It the Jets are trading the pick, how would their interest in Trubisky matter?

It sounds like you're saying Cleveland won't want that pick b/c the Jets might use it on Trubisky.  If Cleveland pulls the trigger on that deal, the Jets won't be picking in that spot.

[Sperm Edwards]

On 4/10/2017 at 4:25 PM, chirorob said:

No 2nd round pick ever set a franchise back.   They cost 1/10th the money, and taking a QB top 10 means you are tied to him for 3 years.

I don't know. If the team backs that 2nd round pick a year (or two) later, by misguidedly believing in someone who just doesn't pan out, it can have the same effect as drafting the wrong guy in the top 10. Especially if he doesn't see the field at all in year 1. Then in year 2 if he shows some promise (but ultimately isn't good enough) the team can still see what it wants to see, and pass up taking a QB in year 2 as well, effectively tying the team into him as its future for 3 years.

Had someone else grabbed Geno in round 2, and the Jets didn't take a QB until round 4 in 2013, do you think they still draft a safety in round 1 the following season? Most don't, and I'd agree with their sentiment. If the team really thinks they got a 1st round QB in round 2, the extended belief in that player certainly can set a franchise back.

Now, if your 2nd round selection misses the mark at RB, DB, LB, DL, WR, TE ... no, that's not going to set a franchise back. In particular, since the prospect can still have some use as a situational player, even if he isn't good enough to be a regular starter. Teams aren't reluctant to taking another in the top 10 a year later because they often need more than 1 of those players anyway.

Despite the claim to the contrary, in the form of being worth a shot, drafting a bust QB in round 2 is more harmful than drafting a bust at pretty much any other position there. 

[bealeb319]

Drafting a 3rd round guy in the 2nd is bad.   Drafting a 3rd round guy in the 1st is awful. 
Of course drafting a 6th rounder in the 2nd is worse.

Do you honestly think that if we didn't draft hack in round 2 he would have lasted until the 6th?

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[chirorob]

16 hours ago, bealeb319 said:

Do you honestly think that if we didn't draft hack in round 2 he would have lasted until the 6th?

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4th maybe.

Jets have drafted a lot of people in the 2nd who weren't worth 2nd round selections.

[Beerfish]

17 hours ago, bealeb319 said:

Do you honestly think that if we didn't draft hack in round 2 he would have lasted until the 6th?

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I could care less if he was drafted later in the 2nd round.  You let other teams make mistakes by reaching.  You let the draft come to you unless you have a premium player you want to get you don't go chasing players you think may be steals by over drafting them.

[Komba]

26 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I could care less if he was drafted later in the 2nd round.  You let other teams make mistakes by reaching.  You let the draft come to you unless you have a premium player you want to get you don't go chasing players you think may be steals by over drafting them.

You don't treat the QB position like other positions... If you think the guy is going to be good, you absolutely CANNOT worry about whether a guy is a reach or not.  It's just stupid.

Other positions, yes.  Value means a lot because there are numerous guys at each position who will be good NFL players.  However, at the QB position there will MAYBE be 1 guy who will turn out to be a good NFL player. 

As for Hack, I hated him coming out.  Hated that we picked him.  But I don't at all get mad at where we picked him given the team liked him.  I'm also happy that Mac and company have moved on from thinking he's the answer too because too many executives would hang on to the hope.

[bealeb319]

4th maybe.
Jets have drafted a lot of people in the 2nd who weren't worth 2nd round selections.

Who weren't worth 2nd round selections in hindsight or they weren't worth the picks when the picks were made?

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[bealeb319]

I could care less if he was drafted later in the 2nd round.  You let other teams make mistakes by reaching.  You let the draft come to you unless you have a premium player you want to get you don't go chasing players you think may be steals by over drafting them.

What if they did let the draft come to them what if their scouting department had a high to mid second grade on hack and figured he would be a project with franchise qb potential and a half decent backup as his floor?

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[Beerfish]

4 hours ago, bealeb319 said:

What if they did let the draft come to them what if their scouting department had a high to mid second grade on hack and figured he would be a project with franchise qb potential and a half decent backup as his floor?

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Then they are fools and will be fired eventually.  The league is littered with fails and backups from guys who actually looked decent coming into their draft year.  You never draft a guy to be a back up, never.