SMART- est.. 10 smartest things the jets have ever done, from Namath to Parcells ~ ~ ~

[kelly]

> http://www.nj.com/jets/index.ssf/2017/07/the_10_smartest_things_the_jets_have_ever_done.html#incart_river_index

[BurnleyJet]

There's a Smartest list!

[Larz]

where is the whole list ?  can you lease post more than just a link ?

[Joe Jets fan]

I thought the rule was you had to post the article ?

[nyjunc]

looking at that list:

10. the 2000 draft, Groh did a decent job but Abe and Chad were damaged goods and becht was gone in a few years as was Coles.  In order to get that many picks they traded their best WR since Al Toon and gave away Belichick to a  div rival who drafted a QB in the same 2000 draft that gave BB and NE a dynasty.

9. it was smart but BP signed him to be a backup.

8. one of best moves in franchise history.

7. nice job by Kotite but we had no WR talent at the time or he probably doesn't make the team.

6. yes

5. yes though obviously NE got the last laugh(and they are still laughing)

4. yes

3. for short term it is a yes.  he dragged us out of cycle of mediocrity and made us contenders.  Unfortunately he also cost us BB and either Brady or Manning and killed our cap.

2. yes

1. yes

 

[kelly]

21 minutes ago, Joe Jets fan said:

I thought the rule was you had to post the article ?

dear joe j.,

sorry 'bout that.. i'm having " computer issues "...

 

[T0mShane]

50% of the list is Parcells-related. 

[nyjunc]

15 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

50% of the list is Parcells-related. 

and wrong

[Joe Jets fan]

32 minutes ago, kelly said:

dear joe j.,

sorry 'bout that.. i'm having " computer issues "...

 

Help is always there for those that ask for it...

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[#27TheDominator]

Giving 6/$36M with a 1st (could have had Randy Moss or Faneca) and a 3rd for the privilege of replacing one 1,000 yard back with another?  LOL.  I guess that fat **** did get a 3rd back for Murrell and a 7th. 

[sourceworx]

In other words, Woody never should have allowed Parcells to leave.

[nyjunc]

59 minutes ago, sourceworx said:

In other words, Woody never should have allowed Parcells to leave.

he didn't allow him to leave, he took his recommendation and hired a coach not ready to coach who was one of his guys then begged BP to come back to coach(the only job he was really good at) after Groh left.  Woody did all he could, BP did a great job short term as the HEAD COACH, he screwed us long term as GM.

[T0mShane]

When the Actually-Rex-is-great-but-Parcells-sucked crew checks in.

[j4jets]

lol BP at #3 is hilarious. He f*cked the Jets in the ***, save for 1998. 

[Larz]

Yeah, this franchise has won so many home playoff games after winning the division outright and having a bye week it's like the usual routine

 

[nyjunc]

10 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

When the Actually-Rex-is-great-but-Parcells-sucked crew checks in.

they both did some great things and some bad things, rex wasn't our GM and didn't screw us for the future unlike BP. 

 

I will always appreciate what BP did as a HC, he changed the culture(though he walked into a team w/ a lot of talent) which was hard to do BUT as a GM:

-cost us Peyton

-cost us BB(and in turn Brady, NE's dynasty should be our dynasty)

-left us in cap hell

-gave us Al Groh and a wasted 2000 season

-had a million picks 1997-1999 and whiffed on 90% of them

-turned #1 overall pick in 1997 into James faarrior and a few extra picks he whiffed on(by the way, Farrior's only good season for us came after he and Groh were gone).

[#27TheDominator]

1 hour ago, sourceworx said:

In other words, Woody never should have allowed Parcells to leave.

That's a good one.  Like anybody could lock that fat ******* ego maniac up.  People that have "allowed Parcells to leave" include Wellington Mara, Jerry Jones and Wayne Huizenga.  Hugh Culverhouse and Arthur Blank couldn't even get the fat bastard to sign the papers.  They found out a handshake deal with Parcells isn't worth the paper it is printed on. 

[Jets0712]

Taking a shot a Chrebet


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[Jets0712]

Also bringing in westhoff. For specials. Not much else.


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[T0mShane]

1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

they both did some great things and some bad things, rex wasn't our GM and didn't screw us for the future unlike BP. 

 

I will always appreciate what BP did as a HC, he changed the culture(though he walked into a team w/ a lot of talent) which was hard to do BUT as a GM:

-cost us Peyton

-cost us BB(and in turn Brady, NE's dynasty should be our dynasty)

-left us in cap hell

-gave us Al Groh and a wasted 2000 season

-had a million picks 1997-1999 and whiffed on 90% of them

-turned #1 overall pick in 1997 into James faarrior and a few extra picks he whiffed on(by the way, Farrior's only good season for us came after he and Groh were gone).

Of these six assertions, two are true and the rest are part of bitterman folklore. 

[nyjunc]

47 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

Of these six assertions, two are true and the rest are part of bitterman folklore. 

they are all true w/ the possible exception of costing us Tom Brady but it's logical to see that he did.  If he doesn't play games w/ BB then BB becomes our HC, we don't send a #1 pick to NE and don't have 4 1st rounders where we can use a pick on a QB.  he also would have had the same staff in place here he had in NE so it's logical to assume he would have taken Brady and today we'd be defending Tom and Bill instead of bashing them.

 

cost us Peyton?  all he had to do was assure Peyton he'd take him, he couldn't do that b/c he didn't want a QB he thought would take years to develop while he wanted his quick fix.

left us in cap hell? we maneuvered year 1 but if not for the expansion draft year 2 our team would have been completely gutted and we wouldn't have been able to win the division.

 

draft picks 1997(did I mention he inherited the #1 overall pick and #1 pick each round?):  11 selections, 7 of them either didn't make the team or were gone after a year, 2 became longterm starters(more than 1 year)

draft picks 1998: 12 selections, ONE player became a starter

draft picks 1999: 8 picks, 2 became starters

In 3 drafts he had 31 picks, 5 players became starters

 

In 1997 inherited #1 overall pick, we traded that pick(SL picked a HOF player in that slot).

 

 

[T0mShane]

18 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

they are all true w/ the possible exception of costing us Tom Brady but it's logical to see that he did.  If he doesn't play games w/ BB then BB becomes our HC, we don't send a #1 pick to NE and don't have 4 1st rounders where we can use a pick on a QB.  he also would have had the same staff in place here he had in NE so it's logical to assume he would have taken Brady and today we'd be defending Tom and Bill instead of bashing them.

 

cost us Peyton?  all he had to do was assure Peyton he'd take him, he couldn't do that b/c he didn't want a QB he thought would take years to develop while he wanted his quick fix.

left us in cap hell? we maneuvered year 1 but if not for the expansion draft year 2 our team would have been completely gutted and we wouldn't have been able to win the division.

 

draft picks 1997(did I mention he inherited the #1 overall pick and #1 pick each round?):  11 selections, 7 of them either didn't make the team or were gone after a year, 2 became longterm starters(more than 1 year)

draft picks 1998: 12 selections, ONE player became a starter

draft picks 1999: 8 picks, 2 became starters

In 3 drafts he had 31 picks, 5 players became starters

 

In 1997 inherited #1 overall pick, we traded that pick(SL picked a HOF player in that slot).

 

 

I honestly don't understand why you guys keep doing this stuff to yourselves. You're like spurned girlfriends. It's embarrassing for each of you. 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2014/10/15/bill-parcells-excerpt-bill-belichick-new-york-jets

On the afternoon of Monday, Jan. 3, 2000, Bill Parcells announced his resignation from the Jets to the public, becoming the first head coach in franchise history to step down with a winning record: 30–20. He informed reporters that his defensive coordinator, Bill Belichick (whose contract from three years earlier ensured that he would take over whenever Parcells decided to leave), was empowered to make all football decisions, while Parcells himself would stay on as a confidant and consultant. And although the contract language lacked preciseness regarding ultimate authority, Parcells, still technically director of football operations at a $2.4 million salary, vowed not to overshadow Belichick. Big Bill insisted that the Patriots’ interest in hiring Little Bill -- they had sent a fax requesting permission to interview him -- was no factor in the development, although it certainly seemed to accelerate matters.

Meanwhile, Belichick appeared to embrace his new duties, scheduling his first “family meeting” with director of player contracts Mike Tannenbaum and discussing preparations for free agency with director of pro personnel Scott Pioli. Late that afternoon, president Steve Gutman and Parcells sat in on Belichick’s meeting with the head trainer to discuss injured players.

 

A couple of hours later, at roughly 6 p.m., Parcells was in the coaches’ locker room when Belichick walked in and asked Big Bill to revisit New England’s interview request. Startled by the query, Parcells reminded Belichick of his apparent eagerness only a day earlier to finally take over. Belichick countered that uncertainty about the Jets’ changing ownership -- the estate of longtime owner Leon Hess, who had died the previous spring, was weighing competing bids from Johnson & Johnson heir Woody Johnson and Cablevision founder Charles Dolan -- was giving him second thoughts. The remarks angered Parcells, who warned Belichick that the club wouldn’t allow him to interview with the Patriots or any other team.

[Kleckineau]

Curtis Martin ugh.

 

[nyjunc]

7 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I honestly don't understand why you guys keep doing this stuff to yourselves. You're like spurned girlfriends. It's embarrassing for each of you. 

 

 

 

 

you aren't that naive, are you?  you believe everything you read?

[T0mShane]

7 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

 

you aren't that naive, are you?  you believe everything you read?

What's more believable: That Belichick wanted no part of an outright boob like Woody Johnson or that Bill Parcells (who just saved Belichick's career after he was fired from the bottom of the barrel Browns) so hurt Belichick's feelings that he had no choice but to limp off to New England (which, incidentally, Parcells had already rebuilt for him)? 

[#27TheDominator]

22 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

I honestly don't understand why you guys keep doing this stuff to yourselves. You're like spurned girlfriends. It's embarrassing for each of you. 

https://www.si.com/nfl/2014/10/15/bill-parcells-excerpt-bill-belichick-new-york-jets

 Parcells himself would stay on as a confidant and consultant. And although the contract language lacked preciseness regarding ultimate authority, Parcells, still technically director of football operations at a $2.4 million salary, vowed not to overshadow Belichick. Big Bill insisted that the Patriots’ interest in hiring Little Bill -- they had sent a fax requesting permission to interview him -- was no factor in the development, although it certainly seemed to accelerate matters.

You like to play this game.  The only true statement in that paragraph is that fat **** was getting $2.4M

[T0mShane]

2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

You like to play this game.  The only true statement in that paragraph is that fat **** was getting $2.4M

It's a game I like to call, "Actual contemporaneous testimonials from the principals involved in an event versus the voices in Jets fan's heads that try to make sense of why Papa Bill went out for a pack of cigarettes one night and never came home." It's like Mousetrap, but with paranoid schizophrenics instead of plastic mice.

[AFJF]

30 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

What's more believable: That Belichick wanted no part of an outright boob like Woody Johnson or that Bill Parcells (who just saved Belichick's career after he was fired from the bottom of the barrel Browns) so hurt Belichick's feelings that he had no choice but to limp off to New England (which, incidentally, Parcells had already rebuilt for him)? 

Or, Belly felt like he was the brains behind the SB's won by the Giants, but Parcells got all the glory, and he didn't want the same thing to happen again if he won another one?  Every meathead fan in the NFL would be talking about how BB won with Parcells' players and he was the real architect, no matter what was said publicly.

Parcells never won anything w/o BB on his staff.

BB seems to have done alright w/o BP.

 

[T0mShane]

1 minute ago, AFJF said:

Or, Belly felt like he was the brains behind the SB's won by the Giants, but Parcells got all the glory, and he didn't want the same thing to happen again if he won another one?  Every meathead fan in the NFL would be talking about how BB won with Parcells' players and he was the real architect, no matter what was said publicly.

Parcells never won anything w/o BB on his staff.

BB seems to have done alright w/o BP.

 

Or what if Belichick had secret feelings of lust for Bill Parcells and left to preserve his hetero bonafides???? 

[AFJF]

Just now, T0mShane said:

Or what if Belichick had secret feelings of lust for Bill Parcells and left to preserve his hetero bonafides???? 

I think he could've kept that under wraps.

[T0mShane]

Just now, AFJF said:

I think he could've kept that under wraps.

It's not as easy as I make it look.

[Kevin L]

When signing a free agent center is higher than drafting arguably your 2nd best QB of all time, there's something wrong with your favorite NFL franchise.

[ASH1962]

To me they have not done the #1 smart thing yet, and you know what that is...

Fire the Shrimp Boat Captain

That would vault into #1 IMO

[sourceworx]

5 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

That's a good one.  Like anybody could lock that fat ******* ego maniac up.  People that have "allowed Parcells to leave" include Wellington Mara, Jerry Jones and Wayne Huizenga.  Hugh Culverhouse and Arthur Blank couldn't even get the fat bastard to sign the papers.  They found out a handshake deal with Parcells isn't worth the paper it is printed on. 

Wellington Mara was old and senile when he let Parcells go. 

Jerry Jones brings good people in to run his team, then after they build the team into a winner, he convinces himself that he's the reason why they're suddenly good. 

Wayne Huizenga makes Woody Johnson look like Art Rooney.

[Ohio State NY Jets fan]

This is like the best QB's in Jets history list (Joe and some others) although I did not realize that Maynard was the first Jet/Titan signed 

Here is the article;

Darryl Slater | NJ Advance Media for NJ.com
After bringing you our rankings list of the 10 dumbest things the Jets have ever done, let's examine the 10 smartest things the organization has ever done. After all, it's not like the Jets have never experienced success, even though they last made the playoffs in 2010. This organization did win Super Bowl III, and played in the AFC Championship Game as recently as 2009 and 2010. Here now, our "10 smartest" rankings list, for which (like the "10 dumbest" list) we consulted a couple longtime Jets observers ... 

10. THE 2000 NFL DRAFT

The Jets had four first-round picks. They selected defensive end Shaun Ellis, defensive end John Abraham, quarterback Chad Pennington, and tight end Anthony Becht. Plus, in Round 3, they got wide receiver Laveranues Coles, who had 37 touchdown catches in seven years with the Jets (two stints).  

Ellis was a two-time Pro Bowler with the Jets and had 72.5 sacks for them. Abraham made three Pro Bowls with the Jets and had 53.5 sacks for them. Pennington's Jets stats: 61 starts, 82 touchdowns, 55 interceptions, 88.9 quarterback rating. 

Becht was the least successful of the four first-round Jets picks from 2000. In five years with the Jets, he had 1,161 yards and 17 touchdowns. Overall, though, a very productive draft for the Jets. 

9. SIGNING VINNY TESTAVERDE
The Jets brought in Testaverde for the 1998 season. And what a season that was for him. The Jets went 12-1 in games he started, and made the AFC Championship Game. The Jets finished 12-4 — their most wins ever. 
 
Testaverde made the Pro Bowl. He threw 29 touchdowns and seven interceptions and had a 101.6 quarterback rating. 
From 1998-2001, the Jets made the playoffs twice and went 31-15 in games Testaverde started. He threw 66 touchdowns and 47 interceptions over that stretch, with a 80.3 rating. 

8. SIGNING KEVIN MAWAE
Another signing for the 1998 season that paid off for the Jets. Mawae, one of his generation's best centers, spent eight seasons with the Jets.
 
During that time, he made six Pro Bowls and twice was a first-team All-Pro selection. Mawae could wind up in the Hall of Fame eventually. 
The Jets made the playoffs in four of Mawae's eight seasons. He was a very important acquisition for the organization — a big part of its success in the late 1990s and early 2000s. 

7. DISCOVERING WAYNE CHREBET
An all-time Jets fan favorite, the undersized receiver went undrafted out of Hofstra. But the Jets gave him a chance anyway. He would wind up in their Ring of Honor. 
 
Chrebet spent his entire 11-year career with the Jets. Though he never made a Pro Bowl and had just one 1,000-yard season, he was a valuable part of the franchise for a long time. 
Chrebet finished his career with 7,365 yards, 580 catches, and 41 touchdowns. 

6. DRAFTING JOE KLECKO, TO HELP LAUNCH SACK EXCHANGE
The Jets' famed Sack Exchange comprised Mark Gastineau, Marty Lyons, Joe Klecko, and Abdul Salaam. The Jets picked Salaam in 1976, Klecko in 1977, and Gastineau and Lyons in 1979. 
 
Klecko, a borderline Hall of Famer whom the Jets drafted in Round 6, helped launch the Sack Exchange. The versatile defensive lineman made four Pro Bowls and twice was a first-team All-Pro in his 11 seasons with the Jets. Gastineau was the sack collector, but Klecko's role was invaluable. 
From 1983-85, Klecko had 17 sacks, while Gastineau had 54.5, and Lyons had 12.5. They formed one of the NFL's most impressive defensive lines ever. 

5. SIGNING CURTIS MARTIN
Another big signing for 1998, like Mawae and Testaverde. 
 
Martin, a Hall of Fame running back, spent eight seasons with the Jets. They made the playoffs four times during that span. He was a three-time Pro Bowler and one-time first-team All-Pro for the Jets. 
His Jets stats: 10,302 yards and 58 touchdowns. Martin finished his career with 14,101 rushing yards, fourth-most in NFL history. The Jets also happened to sign Martin away from the Patriots after the 1997 season, which was no small victory for the Jets at the time. 
 

4. SIGNING DON MAYNARD
The Hall of Fame receiver was actually drafted by the Giants in 1957. But after they cut him and he spent a season in the Canadian Football League, Maynard was signed by the New York Titans in 1960. They would become the Jets in 1963. Maynard was the first player the organization signed. 
 
Maynard played for the Titans/Jets from 1960-72. He was a member of the Super Bowl III-winning team. That season, he had 1,297 yards and 10 touchdowns, after having 1,434 yards and 10 touchdowns in 1967. 
Maynard finished his career with 11,834 yards and 88 touchdowns — remarkable production for a player in his era. He is still 13th all-time in career receiving touchdowns. 

3. HIRING BILL PARCELLS
Parcells coached the Jets from 1997-99, and led them to that magical 12-4 AFC Championship Game season in 1998, just two years after they finished 1-15 under Rich Kotite. 
 
Parcells was also the Jets' general manager for that entire time, plus 2000. Though the Jets made the playoffs just once in Parcells' four seasons, he helped transform the organization. 
Parcells' tenure with the Jets laid the groundwork for the success that followed, as the Jets made the playoffs in four of six seasons from 2001-06. Consider that, since 1986, the Jets have reached the playoffs just four other times besides that. 
 

2. HIRING WEEB EWBANK
Ewbank was hired by the Jets in 1963. He not only became their successful coach, but also the architect of the team that would famously win Super Bowl III — the Jets' finest achievement ever. 
 
Ewbank came to the Jets after winning two NFL championships with the Colts from 1954-62. He coached the Jets from 1963-73. 
His 1969 team was a darn fine squad, too. That group went 10-4, after the Super Bowl-winning team went 11-3 in 1968. But in 1969, the Jets lost to the Chiefs in an AFL divisional playoff game. 

1. DRAFTING JOE NAMATH
A no-brainer choice for the No. 1 spot. 
 
Namath led the Jets to the Super Bowl III win, after he famously guaranteed it. He became one of the most iconic American athletes ever — not just in football, but in any sport. 
The Jets picked Namath first overall in the 1965 AFL draft. That same year, the Cardinals took Namath 12th overall in the NFL's draft. The Jets paid Namath more — a then-record salary of $427,000 over three years. 
Jets fans have owner Sonny Werblin to thank for coughing up all that money for Namath. Remember, too, the Jets traded up in the 1965 AFL draft, in order to get Namath. The Jets traded away the rights to quarterback Jerry Rhome, in a package that landed the Jets the No. 1 pick, from the Oilers.