HBO WATCHMEN Mafia - Game Thread -TULSA WINS!!!

[Pac]

I concur with the simpleton on this Drums character and outlined this very thing last night.

[Barry McCockinner]

23 hours ago, Stark said:

Nolder - Don't like what he's posted or his absence. I can understand low activity but this feels different. 

Hess - leaning towards scum. he was voting all over the place, claimed scum, which seems to be his thing, but at the end of day he said JC was town, then he was willing to hammer JC who claimed bomb so maybe i move him to null but for now keeping him in scum lean

Barry - feels like barry, got him as null right now. hasn't done anything that has really "pinged" also hasn't put himself as a firm town read either. The JC is my strongest town read thing didn't help. I think he's probably confused town. which is understandable the way this game has started.

Drums - slight scum. using holders inactivity as reason when he has been more MIA. AJ has pointed out drums scum style from earlier games, this seems consistent. has had some detailed posts about players, but hasn't really followed through with them. Has said that that has helped him.

AJ - town. was skeptical of him to start, peeling off train close to end of day and starting a brand new train looked awful, but i am buying his reveal for now. The reveal read as genuine and his play in hindsight seems to be that of the town AJ from earlier games.

JiF - null, just jif. the drums vote and bounce was not a good look. 

AVM - null. seems invested and i do like most of what he's posted. admittedly after last game i had him as town all the way to the end and then he wasn't so i may be over thinking his play. 

DPR - leaning town. D1 felt a lot like previous game play and the end of D1 willing to jump on what ended up being legit bomb is a solid look. 

Nyn - lean town. she is playing consistent in my reading her and what she is commenting and questioning.

 

the rest don't have much that stood out. 

bumping starks post-reveal "reads"

Obviously he's aware of the possibility of being looked up so not sure how much to make of it.

Re: Hess

On D2 Stark voted Hess and was the only one on the train. I moved a vote to Hess and Stark almost immediately moved his vote elsewhere. It felt a little odd at the time but I figured it could have just been coincidence. Now I wonder if it could indicate he didn't want a Hess train building up. 

[Jetsfan80]

26 minutes ago, Arsis said:

He said spectrum! Lolol

Sorry I don't get the joke?  lol.  Spectrum is the internet provider here in NC.  

[HessStation]

2 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

bumping starks post-reveal "reads"

Obviously he's aware of the possibility of being looked up so not sure how much to make of it.

Re: Hess

On D2 Stark voted Hess and was the only one on the train. I moved a vote to Hess and Stark almost immediately moved his vote elsewhere. It felt a little odd at the time but I figured it could have just been coincidence. Now I wonder if it could indicate he didn't want a Hess train building up. 

Tryyyyyyy harder 

[Pac]

4 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

Sorry I don't get the joke?  lol.  Spectrum is the internet provider here in NC.  

He's eluding to his barbaric insult of the Crocodile Dundee impersonator who fancies himself as a tosser of dice.

[Jetsfan80]

2 minutes ago, Pac said:

He's eluding to his barbaric insult of the Crocodile Dundee impersonator who fancies himself a tosser of dice.

 

[Barry McCockinner]

3 minutes ago, HessStation said:

Tryyyyyyy harder 

Funny coming from you. You clutter the thread with useless votes on everyone and basically give nothing. Would definitely lynch you for that alone. Plus, you voted for me, so there's that.

[HessStation]

Just now, Barry McCockinner said:

Funny coming from you. You clutter the thread with useless votes on everyone and basically give nothing. Would definitely lynch you for that alone. Plus, you voted for me, so there's that.

I’m winning the game....again

[Jetsfan80]

On 4/29/2020 at 1:55 PM, SMC said:

Official Vote Count:

JC (8) - Dandie, DPR, Arsis, Barry, CTM, Smash, Stark, Drums

Stark (8) - Pac, Nolder, 80, AVM, Hess, Crusher, JC, AJ

Drums (2) - JiF, Nyn

AJ (1) - Dice

With 19 Citizens of Tulsa, it takes 10 to arrest 

D1 deadline: 2:30 pm EDT Wednesday, April 29

 

This was the VC just before Stark revealed.  Drums was the vote that pushed JC to L-2 and his simultaneous reveal.  

Several questionable characters were on the JC train.

[CTM]

4 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

Funny coming from you. You clutter the thread with useless votes on everyone and basically give nothing. Would definitely lynch you for that alone. Plus, you voted for me, so there's that.

I'm down

[Jetsfan80]

2 confirmed townies and the uncountered backup cop were the late voters on Stark's train.  So if scum was bussing there they were pretty clever about it.  

[DPR]

37 minutes ago, Pac said:

"Stepping away for a bit" is code for going to your outhouse for an hour with a beaker full of moonshine.  That appears to be where you do most of your strategizing.

I suggest you ponder a way for your next attempt at taking credit for my work not be so transparent.

GOOD DAY!

...You best leave my ‘shine out of it or I’ll focus my strategery on your hide...

 

30 minutes ago, A.J. said:

Something to think about is where Stark got the idea to add the detail in his claim about passing on the power and what that means regarding Arsis's claim which essentially vetted it.

Lucky guess based on source material?

Did the scum team know beforehand that it was a mechanic?

There's a third option here, but I'm not to that point yet. Seems like a stretch to think Arsis would tie himself to Stark on D1 as a goon who almost got lynched, but probably shouldn't rule it out completely.

 

28 minutes ago, Arsis said:

Yeah, all I can say is that I know the transfer mechanism is a thing.

 

I didn't think that the scum team would be aware of it? Which was a stupid assumption on my part.

 

 

Am I wrong to assume that SMC is following g the show pretty closely? Can anyone who’s watched it confirm that the transfer of power element is or is not discussed in the episodes?

[CTM]

Just now, Jetsfan80 said:

2 confirmed townies and the uncountered backup cop were the late voters on Stark's train.  So if scum was bussing there they were pretty clever about it.  

it's clever for scum to plant an early vote on a teammate that ends up gaining traction? Conveniently enough this take would imply you are town.  Gimme a break

[Barry McCockinner]

1 minute ago, Jetsfan80 said:

2 confirmed townies and the uncountered backup cop were the late voters on Stark's train.  So if scum was bussing there they were pretty clever about it.  

so your bus on the stark train was clever AF?

[HessStation]

On 4/29/2020 at 8:36 AM, JiF said:

******* terrible.

Seriously, you're all worthless.  Have I thought you nothing over the years?  

Page 42. Stark has 4 votes leading train and no one else has more than 2.

 

JiF is the worst scumhunter of all time

[DPR]

9 minutes ago, Jetsfan80 said:

 

This was the VC just before Stark revealed.  Drums was the vote that pushed JC to L-2 and his simultaneous reveal.  

Several questionable characters were on the JC train.

On the Stark train, do you agree or disagree with my take that there is at least 1 and maybe 2 scummates on it?

if you agree, who do you think they are?

[Barry McCockinner]

Work - likely won't be very engaged until later on. 

[Jetsfan80]

The sequence of events that led to JC and Stark being the top trains:

 

First, AJ's reveal:

 

On 4/29/2020 at 12:19 PM, A.J. said:

I correctly state how D1 is a mess and just to prove it I get run up lmao

retards. Do I even really want to waste my time filtering through what I am sure if a field of turds? Not really. 
 

I’m Pirate Jenny. Tulsa PD Deputy Investigator.
 

My results come in the form of “Kalvary or not Kalvary” which is why I am speculating this could be a multi ball setup since OP states there are evil powers that back the wannabe Klansmen

 

On 4/29/2020 at 12:22 PM, deckerfan said:

Official Vote Count:

AJ (7) - Dice, 80, AVM, JIF, Crusher, Smash, Hess

JC (5) - Dandie, DPR, Arsis, Barry, CTM

JIF (3) - Drums, AJ, Nyn

Stark (2) - Pac, Nolder

Barry (1) - JC

With 19 Citizens of Tulsa, it takes 10 to arrest 

D1 deadline: 2 pm EDT Wednesday, April 29

 

Here's where the momentum shifts to Stark as the 2nd biggest train:

 

On 4/29/2020 at 12:22 PM, Jetsfan80 said:

 

Hmm.  OK.  

unvote vote Stark

 

On 4/29/2020 at 12:24 PM, Pac said:

agreed

 

On 4/29/2020 at 12:29 PM, deckerfan said:

Official Vote Count:

JC (5) - Dandie, DPR, Arsis, Barry, CTM

AJ (3) - Dice, JIF, Smash

JIF (3) - Drums, AJ, Nyn

Stark (3) - Pac, Nolder, 80

Barry (1) - JC

Crusher (1) - Hess

With 19 Citizens of Tulsa, it takes 10 to arrest 

D1 deadline: 2 pm EDT Wednesday, April 29

 

AVM looks pretty good here, I must admit:

 

On 4/29/2020 at 1:30 PM, AVM said:

I really don't find JC to be scummy..

vote Stark

 

On 4/29/2020 at 1:31 PM, SMC said:

Official Vote Count:

JC (6) - Dandie, DPR, Arsis, Barry, CTM, Smash

Stark (4) - Pac, Nolder, 80, AVM

JIF (2) - Drums, Nyn

DPR (2) - Hess, JC

Drums (2) - AJ, JiF

AJ (1) - Dice

With 19 Citizens of Tulsa, it takes 10 to arrest 

D1 deadline: 2 pm EDT Wednesday, April 29

 

On 4/29/2020 at 1:33 PM, HessStation said:

Unvote vote Stark

 

On 4/29/2020 at 1:35 PM, SMC said:

Official Vote Count:

JC (6) - Dandie, DPR, Arsis, Barry, CTM, Smash

Stark (5) - Pac, Nolder, 80, AVM, Hess

JIF (2) - Drums, Nyn

Drums (2) - AJ, JiF

DPR (1) - JC

AJ (1) - Dice

With 19 Citizens of Tulsa, it takes 10 to arrest 

D1 deadline: 2 pm EDT Wednesday, April 29

 

On 4/29/2020 at 1:36 PM, The Crusher said:

Strange move. Can't see Drums gaining traction with who's left. I also don;t feel JC is scum at this point.

 

So vote stark

 

On 4/29/2020 at 1:37 PM, Jetscode1 said:

Unvote, vote Stark (self preservation)

I'll reveal if you like.

 

Weird post by Barry here, that I've previously pointed out:

 

On 4/29/2020 at 1:12 PM, Barry McCockinner said:

There's been no counter claim to AJ - there shouldn't be any votes on him ffs.

 

Stark votes JC for self-preservation, giving him his 7th vote:

 

On 4/29/2020 at 1:37 PM, Stark said:

what "case" you have 2 posts

 

self preservation

VOTE JC

 

Drums expressed the desire to vote DPR here, but opts for one of the top trains instead.  He doesn't explain why JC over Stark, however:

 

On 4/29/2020 at 1:41 PM, Drums said:

Ended my class early bitches.

I have a few minutes to decide if I want to vote for JC. This is my third game with him. Last game he did a lot of the same stuff, plus a screech porn review, and I was calling for his head for a few days and no one wanted to go along with it. Ironically it seems opposite this time. He seems the same except more aggressive and I am not sure if that is good or bad.

Being that I am a noob, the Dandie situation stands out to me and JC was one of the people fanning the flames. DPR was another so that's what caused me to look closer at him. JC is going to **** with my reads the entire game probably because of his play style so maybe it is better to vote him now and cross it off the list.

Now that Dandie situation, as I said, had me looking at DPR and I feel my notes on DPR start off pretty ugly but then I come away unsure. I don't have much to go on after the Dandie incident. I expect to be attacked for these notes but I would like to hear what people think of them and that's why I will share:

 DPR (copied from my google doc so suck it):

• Has a weird vote on Barry in post 500

• Got carried away about CTM revealing (multiple posts)

• Really wants CTM to reveal or at least promise to reveal in post 550

• The very next post (post 551) he puts off anything with Dandie until D2, I like that

• But quite quickly, he heated up on Dandie and votes Dandie in post 668 -- barely a page later. He agrees with Jif to “kill it” 

• Was low key fanning the Dandie flames

  • For example, quoting a CTM post where CTM was quoting JC, DPR gives his thoughts on Dandie ending with “why not clear this account with a run up and reveal” in post 712 - why is he so into reveals?

• Calls out Barry for overcorrecting in post 744 but I don’t really see it

• Gets into a weird little tussle with Nyn about JC 

• Unvotes Dandie in post 862

• He does seem to be paying attention

Overall, I feel like DPR is either gullible or scum, looking to latch onto something but I am unsure and since there is no train even close to happening for him and we are super close to deadline:

vote JC

 

 

On 4/29/2020 at 1:42 PM, deckerfan said:

Official Vote Count:

JC (8) - Dandie, DPR, Arsis, Barry, CTM, Smash, Stark, Drums

Stark (7) - Pac, Nolder, 80, AVM, Hess, Crusher, JC

Drums (2) - AJ, JIF

JIF (1) - Nyn

AJ (1) - Dice

With 19 Citizens of Tulsa, it takes 10 to arrest 

D1 deadline: 2 pm EDT Wednesday, April 29

 

Nyn drops a vote on Drums while the 2 trains have built, with just 14 minutes left until the deadline:

 

On 4/29/2020 at 1:46 PM, Nynaeve said:

unvote

vote drums

 

On 4/29/2020 at 1:49 PM, SMC said:

Official Vote Count:

JC (8) - Dandie, DPR, Arsis, Barry, CTM, Smash, Stark, Drums

Stark (7) - Pac, Nolder, 80, AVM, Hess, Crusher, JC

Drums (3) - AJ, JiF, Nyn

AJ (1) - Dice

With 19 Citizens of Tulsa, it takes 10 to arrest 

D1 deadline: 2:30 pm EDT Wednesday, April 29

 

L-2 vote on Stark:

On 4/29/2020 at 1:53 PM, A.J. said:

Vote Stark

 

[HessStation]

On 4/29/2020 at 8:53 AM, deckerfan said:

Official Vote Count:

JC (5) - Dandie, DPR, Arsis, Barry, JIF

Stark (4) - Pac, 80, Hess, Nolder

Pac (2) - JC, Stark

80 (2) - Nyn, CTM

JIF (2) - Drums, AJ

CTM (1) - Smash

DPR (1) - AVM

Smash (1) - Crusher

AJ (1) - Dice

With 19 Citizens of Tulsa, it takes 10 to arrest 

D1 deadline: 2 pm EDT Wednesday, April 29

At 4v4 JiF breaks the tie with JC town bomb. 

[Jetsfan80]

Somehow forgot to capture it in there, but Smash had a key 6th vote on JC that evened up the trains a bit.  

AVM looks better upon that re-read.  

Drums looks pretty bad.  Also Nyn doesn't look great for avoiding the top 2 trains right up against the deadline.

[CTM]

8 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

so your bus on the stark train was clever AF?

80: I think guys who fap a lot are very clever and likely town this game

 

[JustInFudge]

A couple of observations on that quick reread.

Pac pranced around Stark at Night only to vote Smash during the day.  Not a vote I hated because I believe I move to Smash at one point to get him talk as well but just something to note.

Nyn pretty much avoided the entire situation and stayed tunnelled visioned on 80 and me over legitimately nothing. 

80 and CTM were consistent on the mechanic being unrealistic. 

AVM started the day voting me on/ended up voting on DRP at final vote count.

Hess went to Stark with me. 

[HessStation]

On 4/29/2020 at 10:09 AM, deckerfan said:

Official Vote Count:

JC (4) - Dandie, DPR, Arsis, Barry

AJ (4) - Dice, 80, AVM, JIF

Stark (3) - Pac, Hess, Nolder

80 (2) - Nyn, CTM

JIF (2) - Drums, AJ

CTM (1) - Smash

Smash (1) - Crusher

Pac (1) - JC

With 19 Citizens of Tulsa, it takes 10 to arrest 

D1 deadline: 2 pm EDT Wednesday, April 29

JiF vote for AJ moves Stark into 3rd position W vote on AJ. Just horrible

[Jetsfan80]

5 minutes ago, DPR said:

On the Stark train, do you agree or disagree with my take that there is at least 1 and maybe 2 scummates on it?

if you agree, who do you think they are?

Only one I would throw out there is Hess.  He voted Stark initially, bounced around to a few more people, then came back to Stark only after AVM dropped a 4th vote on him.  

The latest voters on Stark's train are 2 dead townies and 1 uncountered backup cop.  

[HessStation]

On 4/29/2020 at 10:25 AM, deckerfan said:

Official Vote Count:

AJ (6) - Dice, 80, AVM, JIF, Stark, Hess

JC (4) - Dandie, DPR, Arsis, Barry

Stark (2) - Pac, Nolder

80 (2) - Nyn, CTM

JIF (2) - Drums, AJ

Pac (1) - JC

CTM (1) - Smash

Smash (1) - Crusher

With 19 Citizens of Tulsa, it takes 10 to arrest 

D1 deadline: 2 pm EDT Wednesday, April 29

Stark votes AJ, I unvote Stark to vote AJ who was pinging for me at the time. 

[Jetsfan80]

18 minutes ago, Barry McCockinner said:

so your bus on the stark train was clever AF?

Pac, Nolder (now Jvill), me and AVM would have to be in the possible "clever bus" category/conversation if you wanted to argue that, yes.  

If Hess was bussing it was sloppy.

[HessStation]

On 4/29/2020 at 11:56 AM, deckerfan said:

Official Vote Count:

AJ (8) - Dice, 80, AVM, JIF, Stark, Crusher, Smash, Hess

JC (5) - Dandie, DPR, Arsis, Barry, CTM

JIF (3) - Drums, AJ, Nyn

Stark (2) - Pac, Nolder

Barry (1) - JC

With 19 Citizens of Tulsa, it takes 10 to arrest 

D1 deadline: 2 pm EDT Wednesday, April 29

This was VC for AJ to reveal

[JustInFudge]

On 4/30/2020 at 10:08 AM, AVM said:

JiF throwing that vote down at deadline yesterday and leaving was pretty damn gross after all the flailing about. I do agree with Nyn, too, that he's been a little more over the top than usual...somethings off, I just can't tell how.

vote JiF

Was going back to AVM real quick.

He's voting me for being "off" but cant define.  Pretty awful when you think about it.  

On 4/30/2020 at 10:16 AM, DPR said:

Yup

We need a Gross List:

AJ peeling off the wagons yesterday was Gross. Nolder coming out of nowhere to vote for “competing trains” was gross. Pac saying he could vote for Stark and then voting for Smash is gross. 

...I thought I'd grab DPR's first post of the day while I was at it.

On 4/30/2020 at 10:27 AM, JiF said:

I dont see how I'm off, just doing my thing over here.

What's your thoughts on Starks role? 

 

On 4/30/2020 at 11:29 AM, AVM said:

This is a great point, though...

Not specific to Smash, but it tells me the scum team is probably "vet heavy" this game. Crush is a difficult lynch, as we talked about during this very game. 

It's kind of hard to explain, honestly...can't put my finger on it.

As for Stark, I think I said at some point yesterday that both he and AJ had oddly specific reveals to be fake. Would have to be given a safe reveal, or to a point I think you made....is being honest but is somehow a 3rd party player? That just didn't make sense me to theme-wise.

I haven't seen the show, but it fits with the story that I know. The fact that he's said he can pass it on and implied there is more to the role he doesn't want to share also contributes to me feeling pretty good about him...a complex set-up but absolutely doable. When you factor in that there have been at least two "deaths" that

Yes

Here is his response to me asking him what he thinks about Stark.  

 

[Jetsfan80]

20 minutes ago, CTM said:

it's clever for scum to plant an early vote on a teammate that ends up gaining traction? Conveniently enough this take would imply you are town.  Gimme a break

Oh so NOW you want to talk about the D1 activity.  Cool.  

[A.J.]

On 4/28/2020 at 3:35 PM, deckerfan said:

Official Vote Count:

Pac (3) - Crusher, JC, Stark

Stark (3) - Pac, Hess, 80

Drums (2) - JIF, CTM

JC (2) - Dandie, DPR

CTM (1) - Smash

JIF (1) - Drums

Arsis (1) - Dice 

DPR (1) - AVM

Hess (1) - Barry

80 (1) - Nyn

Nolder (1) - Arsis

With 19 Citizens of Tulsa, it takes 10 to arrest 

D1 deadline: 2 pm EDT Wednesday, April 29

Bookmarking

[Jetsfan80]

Town CTM would be digging in on a re-read right now trying to figure the game out.  Not sniping from the sidelines.  Just saying.

You have your fridge now you filthy hippie.  Time to put in some work.  

[JustInFudge]

On 4/30/2020 at 12:08 PM, Dandie Andie Doodle said:

The reveal does spoiler the show a bit, for those that haven’t seen it. Dr. M plays almost no role and is ‘missing’ for pretty much the whole season. He appears at the end and does transfer his power, or so we’re led to believe. Really though, he dies and we’re left with a Sopranos ending. It’s great. Anyway, I think Starknis boxed in on the reveal, don’t see any reason to press him for more - or to ‘call his bluff’. The pragmatic approach is let it ride, let more info emerge, and then deal with it. Farting around with Stark diverts from hunting scum, more so if he’s town.

The bold seems contrived. We need to make the most out of every day, that’s when the ball is in towns court. Very fake post. Wagoning too.

Jif is putting on an exposition. So much so it’s feeling like he’s impersonating his usual arrogant/ignorant townie meta. The last thing I’d do as town is follow him, right now. His push on stark is only a good town play if he’s using it to trap scum ... looking at 80.

vote 80

Dandie with a disgusting Stark defense post.

Never addressing how ridiculous the mechanic was.  For a know it all, you would think that would come up at some point. 

[JustInFudge]

On 4/30/2020 at 12:31 PM, A.J. said:

Nolder is a good vote considering it's more promise of content in his filter than anything else.

Hess seems scummy to me in a nebulous way. He just said something about how he'd be voting Smash on D2 as scum which I took as a dig at Pac possibly, then made a sort of fence sitting post about how Smash is blatant as scum, and then votes Smash. I can't track his thinking for sh*t and his vote jumping doesn't seem like there's genuine process to it beyond making a show of being involved.

JiF is pushing a bad case to lynch Stark.

Drums is someone I am still mulling but he's getting involved now so verdict is still out.

CTM played a level headed D1 but I feel like he's been lagging a bit now that we're getting into a meatier part of the game (I know he has some sh*t going on right now) and that usually makes me wary.

I hate when my town reads suck at this game and say stupid sh*t that make me question them. 

[HessStation]

On 4/29/2020 at 1:11 PM, deckerfan said:

Official Vote Count:

JC (6) - Dandie, DPR, Arsis, Barry, CTM, Smash

Stark (3) - Pac, Nolder, 80

AJ (2) - Dice, JIF

JIF (2) - Drums, Nyn

DPR (2) - Hess, JC

Drums (1) - AJ

With 19 Citizens of Tulsa, it takes 10 to arrest 

D1 deadline: 2 pm EDT Wednesday, April 29

Sometime after AJ reveal, 80 jumps back in on Stark. Smash from AJ to JC...without any other color why I had scum lean D2. He’s been on me since, so three townies and a OMOGS for Smash btw. 

Midway conclusions:

1.three votes on Stark seem solid

2. smash sorta sticks out so far as bad

[JustInFudge]

On 4/30/2020 at 12:45 PM, A.J. said:

Pressing for info / to lynch the un-countered character with claimed powers that match the theme and is named in the OP as the main object that scum want to eliminate / steal powers from.

You don’t see how that’s a bad idea?

so dumb