joewilly12 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Sam Darnold must rise above Jets mess to end Trevor Lawrence talk By Steve Serby September 24, 2020 | 6:09pm | Updated By all accounts, Sam Darnold loves being quarterback of the Jets, loved playing for Jets fans before COVID-19 shooed them all out of MetLife Stadium, even loved the prospects of having Adam Gase as his play-caller. There isn’t anything he can do about the team around him, nor about finding himself trapped inside a rebuild that appears destined to end with a 10th straight season on the outside of the playoffs looking in. But if he wants to stay a Jet, he should do himself a favor and start playing the way the franchise expects its franchise quarterback to be playing in his third season, after 28 starts, after showing signs over the second half of last season that he was ready for takeoff. And most of all, start winning. That, of course, will be easier said than done for him. “My job is to execute the play, and find completions, put the ball in the end zone,” Darnold said. “That’s all that matters, but at the end of the day, people judge me and the head coach on wins and losses. Those are the only things that matter to me. So anything else just doesn’t matter.” And there is the accuracy you want from your franchise quarterback. His record as a starter is 11-17. Guilty with an explanation: He learned a new offense with a new head coach in 2019 and missed three games with mononucleosis. His offensive line needed a complete overhaul. Robby Anderson left for Carolina. Le’Veon Bell has not been the star he was in Pittsburgh. On and on it has gone. Enlarge Image Darnold cannot afford to be dragged down by the kind of treacherous environment that conspires to stall or, worse, sabotage any young quarterback’s development or, worse, career. It appears to be a forbidding challenge. And the reason he cannot afford to is the towering specter of Trevor Lawrence. And Justin Fields. Or Trey Lance, should he mimic Joe Burrow’s meteoric rise a year ago. If Darnold cannot figure out a way, as Gase looks for a few good men with a pulse for Sunday’s game in Indianapolis, to lead the Jets to enough wins so GM Joe Douglas is not within striking distance of the first two picks of the 2021 NFL Draft with all the draft capital at his disposal — or worst-case scenario, is in possession of the first or second pick — then it is possible that Darnold will be the former franchise quarterback of the Jets. Because Douglas, should he be armed with the first-overall pick — it is impossible even after only two lousy games to put anything past these Adam Gase Jets — would not and should not be able to resist the temptation of a prospect [Lawrence] who has drawn comparisons to Andrew Luck coming out of Stanford. Darnold is much younger and healthier than Peyton Manning was when it was time for him to move aside for Luck and leave Indianapolis, but it would be negligent of any general manager to pass on Lawrence. And Fields might be in play as well in a 1-2 scenario akin to Luck-Robert Griffin III and Jameis Winston-Marcus Mariota. So Darnold might very well be holding his own fortunes, as well as his team’s, in his hands over the rest of this season. That was an imposter wearing No. 14 in Buffalo. He was better in Week 2 but couldn’t get his team in the end zone early, and the game was lost by halftime. “He settled down. His feet were calm,” OC Dowell Loggains said. “I thought he was in a good place mentally, thought he had a good mindset the whole game.” Even with Mekhi Becton bludgeoning defenders at left tackle, Darnold cannot lean on the running game, and he would undoubtedly welcome Don Maynard into his huddle right about now with Jamison Crowder and Breshad Perriman sidelined. And Maynard is 85. Darnold’s mechanics have been erratic, and there are times when he cannot, or will not, stand tall in the pocket and deliver the ball. His decision-making has made you roll your eyes at times.But he was the third-overall pick of the 2018 NFL Draft for a reason, and it is premature to write him off. From Day 1, he has shown that he is wired the way you want your young franchise quarterback to be wired. He is resilient. On his best days, because of his improvisational ability, he has drawn comparisons to a young Ben Roethlisberger. And to Eli Manning for the easy, even-keeled way he navigates the New York market. In his defense, he has been severely handcuffed and handicapped by the absence of an explosive vertical threat, which compelled Gase to pull back the reins on the play-calling against the 49ers. Loggains liked the way Darnold went through his progressions. “Coverage dictates where the ball goes sometimes,” Loggains said. Too often, sometimes. The old take-what-they-give-you offense. Instead of take-what-you-want. “Explosive plays are gonna find themselves, whether it’s a broken tackle, or you get a shot downfield … but if we’re moving the sticks, and we’re marching the ball down the field, we’re good with that,” Darnold said. “At the end of the day, we just gotta find a way to put the ball in the end zone.” A good idea. The smart money has 11-17 getting worse before it gets better. If it ever gets better. Fair or unfair, for Darnold’s sake, it better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
More Cowbell Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Serby must read this board because this is the only place I see Lawrence mentioned in terms of the Jets 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BROOKLYN JET Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTJet Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Why is Loggains speaking at all? All he does is carry Adam Gase's playbook for him, all 1 page of it. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Darnold should get a pass until Perriman/Mims/Bell and Crowder are back in a couple of weeks. But when they are back the pressure will definitely be on for him to produce at a level that convinces people he is the answer. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 2 hours ago, BROOKLYN JET said: thats from the very 1st episode, no? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 3 hours ago, More Cowbell said: Serby must read this board because this is the only place I see Lawrence mentioned in terms of the Jets really? I heard it on Sirius XM last week. Where ya lookin man? lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet2020 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 4 hours ago, More Cowbell said: Serby must read this board because this is the only place I see Lawrence mentioned in terms of the Jets You think this board is the only board that thinks Jets are the worst in the league? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 5 hours ago, JoJoTownsell1 said: Darnold should get a pass until Perriman/Mims/Bell and Crowder are back in a couple of weeks. But when they are back the pressure will definitely be on for him to produce at a level that convinces people he is the answer. Long past passes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nixhead Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 Gase apparently lets the defense dictate what plays he runs on offense. Hmmmm. That doesn’t seem like an effective plan to me. How about your offense dictating how they set up their defense. How about some imagination, trickery, misdirection. When’s the last time we saw a fake run one way the pitch the other way. Has Darnold ever pitched the ball to a back trying to run around the edge? WTF is Gase doing. He’s toast. He burnt. He needs to be gone! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibby Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 If you go back and read my post over the last two weeks- this is essentially what I’ve been saying. If he indeed wants to be a franchise QB??? Start making the players around you better. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 46 minutes ago, Gibby said: If you go back and read my post over the last two weeks- this is essentially what I’ve been saying. If he indeed wants to be a franchise QB??? Start making the players around you better. Good QBs make their own weapons, not the other way around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 18 minutes ago, jgb said: Good QBs make their own weapons, not the other way around. as if anyone here would rmember the names dallas clark or austin collie if there wasnt a HOFer throwing to them 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 A lot of his struggles are due to being drafted to the worst possible environment for a rookie QB. I blame him as well for the bad decisions that we still see in year 3 but this team gave him know chance. He’s a victim of circumstance and didn’t develop. Year 3 is too late when you have the worst team in football and going to have ANOTHER coaching change in a 3 year period. It doesn’t make sense contract wise and timing wise. I think he can become a decent QB but it’s better for both parties to go separate ways and for the jets to build properly. They should not draft a 1st rd QB until they have a half decent offensive roster or if they are forced to because they have the #1 pick and a Trevor Lawrence once in a lifetime opportunity is there. I’d prefer to build and not draft a QB until the team is ready but I’m sure most here would jump on Lawrence and I get it. Either scenario does not involve Darnold and it’s a shame. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 7 minutes ago, Creepy Lurker said: A lot of his struggles are due to being drafted to the worst possible environment for a rookie QB. I blame him as well for the bad decisions that we still see in year 3 but this team gave him know chance. He’s a victim of circumstance and didn’t develop. Year 3 is too late when you have the worst team in football and going to have ANOTHER coaching change in a 3 year period. It doesn’t make sense contract wise and timing wise. I think he can become a decent QB but it’s better for both parties to go separate ways and for the jets to build properly. They should not draft a 1st rd QB until they have a half decent offensive roster or if they are forced to because they have the #1 pick and a Trevor Lawrence once in a lifetime opportunity is there. I’d prefer to build and not draft a QB until the team is ready but I’m sure most here would jump on Lawrence and I get it. Either scenario does not involve Darnold and it’s a shame. how i read this YET ANOTHER SAM DARNOLD EXCUSE charliebrown teacher noise charliebrownteachernoise charliebrown teacher noise charliebrownteachernoisecharliebrown teacher noise charliebrownteachernoisecharliebrown teacher noise charliebrownteachernoisecharliebrown teacher noise charliebrownteachernoisecharliebrown teacher noise charliebrownteachernoisecharliebrown teacher noise charliebrownteachernoisecharliebrown teacher noise charliebrownteachernoisecharliebrown teacher noise charliebrownteachernoisecharliebrown teacher noise charliebrownteachernoisecharliebrown teacher noise charliebrownteachernoise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoop24 Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 8 hours ago, More Cowbell said: Serby must read this board because this is the only place I see Lawrence mentioned in terms of the Jets Trevor Lawrence is being discussed on radio, podcast, social media platforms . Far here this board only .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creepy Lurker Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 54 minutes ago, Losmeister said: how i read this YET ANOTHER SAM DARNOLD EXCUSE charliebrown teacher noise charliebrownteachernoise charliebrown teacher noise charliebrownteachernoisecharliebrown teacher noise charliebrownteachernoisecharliebrown teacher noise charliebrownteachernoisecharliebrown teacher noise charliebrownteachernoisecharliebrown teacher noise charliebrownteachernoisecharliebrown teacher noise charliebrownteachernoisecharliebrown teacher noise charliebrownteachernoisecharliebrown teacher noise charliebrownteachernoisecharliebrown teacher noise charliebrownteachernoisecharliebrown teacher noise charliebrownteachernoise You are missing the point completely. It’s on him AND the team. My point is that regardless of him being able to be salvaged, we need to move on because his contract and timeline do not line up with us at all. It’s already a lost cause is my point. I have no allegiance to Sam. He’s not doing himself any favors and I want to move on from him. The main reason though is because it’s already too late in my eyes based on the timing, his contract and where we need to head as an organization which is hiring a new coach and fixing the offense so a new QB can have a chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losmeister Posted September 25, 2020 Share Posted September 25, 2020 23 minutes ago, Creepy Lurker said: You are missing the point completely. It’s on him AND the team. My point is that regardless of him being able to be salvaged, we need to move on because his contract and timeline do not line up with us at all. It’s already a lost cause is my point. I have no allegiance to Sam. He’s not doing himself any favors and I want to move on from him. The main reason though is because it’s already too late in my eyes based on the timing, his contract and where we need to head as an organization which is hiring a new coach and fixing the offense so a new QB can have a chance. kewl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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