BCJet Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Given the state of our LT situation so far this year, along with the cap allocation used on TE's this past off-season, I dont see why we have run so little of 2 TE sets. Here are CJ Uzomah's snap counts so far Week 1 - 27% Week 2 injured (Ruckert played 26%) Week 3 - 34% JD didnt spend $8 million per season on 2 TEs and then drafted another as injury insurance and yet we have been in 2 TE sets less then 1/3 of the time, how is that possible? I really like LaFleur's overall scheme and understand that we are constantly trailing in these games, but its time to use the personnel that you and your GM have put together. Conklin excels in pass protection and can easily help out a struggling LT and obviously run block. Putting him and CJ on the field Sunday and establishing the run against a Trubisky led offense is as obvious of a game plan as you can see, given Pittsburgh's struggles stopping the run and zach likely having to work through some rust. Its hard enough to watch the defense refuse to adapt their scheme, but the offense actually has a competent coordinator and it would be a welcome sight to see him finally use the weapons that the team acquired for his scheme 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Adoni Beast Posted September 30, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 30, 2022 Offensively and Defensively...I've been pretty baffled by a lot of things so far this year. Not sure why we're not running the ball more Not sure why we're not targeting TEs more Not sure why we're not using 2 TE sets more Not sure why we are playing soft zone on D allowing for pitch and catch practice reps for opposing offenses Not sure why I'm still a fan of this team 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Less 2TE is probably a function of trying to get 4 different receivers on the field a lot. I’d guess that 2TE rate is actually relatively high compared to other teams too. And game flow probably plays in too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
56mehl56 Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 6 minutes ago, derp said: Less 2TE is probably a function of trying to get 4 different receivers on the field a lot. I’d guess that 2TE rate is actually relatively high compared to other teams too. And game flow probably plays in too. Yep, being behind early certainly doesn't help. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenFish Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 CJ was injured and our best weapons on offense are WRs. I dont agree that we should increase the rate of 2TE sets. We need our best players on the field. Chip with the RB or TE and get the ball to your playmakers quickly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 i suspect we'll see more 2-te sets simply because the lt needs help. maybe they'll put one in an f-back position or as a blocking back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 5 hours ago, BCJet said: Given the state of our LT situation so far this year, along with the cap allocation used on TE's this past off-season, I dont see why we have run so little of 2 TE sets. Here are CJ Uzomah's snap counts so far Week 1 - 27% Week 2 injured (Ruckert played 26%) Week 3 - 34% JD didnt spend $8 million per season on 2 TEs and then drafted another as injury insurance and yet we have been in 2 TE sets less then 1/3 of the time, how is that possible? I really like LaFleur's overall scheme and understand that we are constantly trailing in these games, but its time to use the personnel that you and your GM have put together. Conklin excels in pass protection and can easily help out a struggling LT and obviously run block. Putting him and CJ on the field Sunday and establishing the run against a Trubisky led offense is as obvious of a game plan as you can see, given Pittsburgh's struggles stopping the run and zach likely having to work through some rust. Its hard enough to watch the defense refuse to adapt their scheme, but the offense actually has a competent coordinator and it would be a welcome sight to see him finally use the weapons that the team acquired for his scheme Lol, last year anything around 30% would be 2nd in the NFL in frequency. 12 is very limiting offensively because you have so many fewer possible formations. So it can be easier to defend against. The NFL is an 11 personnel league. 11 fits our personnel the best as well. Ironically because a team will almost always go nickel against 11, 11 can be a more effective way to run the ball. For the Jets I would say the best fits for our offensive talent in order are: 11 (Moore, Wilson, Davis) 10 (Moore, Wilson Davis Berrios) 21 ( Carter Hall Conklin Davis Wilson) 12 (Conklin Ruckert/Uzomah Wilson Davis 20 (Carter Hall Moore Wilson Davis) 13 (Ruckert Uzomah Conklin Davis/Wilson) If I am the Jets I want Wilson and Moore on the field at the same time as much as possible. For now though Davis is still the primary X receiver. Having said that, with the issues we have at LT, the Jets may decide to run a lot of 12 this weekend to protect the blind side better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCJet Posted September 30, 2022 Author Share Posted September 30, 2022 3 hours ago, johnnysd said: Lol, last year anything around 30% would be 2nd in the NFL in frequency. 12 is very limiting offensively because you have so many fewer possible formations. So it can be easier to defend against. The NFL is an 11 personnel league. 11 fits our personnel the best as well. Ironically because a team will almost always go nickel against 11, 11 can be a more effective way to run the ball. For the Jets I would say the best fits for our offensive talent in order are: 11 (Moore, Wilson, Davis) 10 (Moore, Wilson Davis Berrios) 21 ( Carter Hall Conklin Davis Wilson) 12 (Conklin Ruckert/Uzomah Wilson Davis 20 (Carter Hall Moore Wilson Davis) 13 (Ruckert Uzomah Conklin Davis/Wilson) If I am the Jets I want Wilson and Moore on the field at the same time as much as possible. For now though Davis is still the primary X receiver. Having said that, with the issues we have at LT, the Jets may decide to run a lot of 12 this weekend to protect the blind side better. I dont disagree that when you have players like Ryan Griffin or Trevon Wesco then 12 personnel limits your personnel, but when you have both Conklin and CJ I think you can easily force a team into a base defense and then put CJ out wide with Moore or GW in the slot and create mismatches in the passing game that way. I also think you can run a max protect with Moore, GW and CJ as receivers, keep conklin as a blocker to help the LT and then have Breece of MC run a pattern either out of the backfield or from an empty formation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Very good topic. After signing new guys, drafting a promising guy and having a guy like cager look better in pre season, I thought for sure we would do a lot of two TE, especially with a shaky oline to start with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OilfieldJet Posted September 30, 2022 Share Posted September 30, 2022 Maybe they unveil a whole new offense when Zach returns. Maybe they don’t want the rest of the league to see it’s awesomeness too soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnnyLV Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 2 hours ago, BCJet said: I dont disagree that when you have players like Ryan Griffin or Trevon Wesco then 12 personnel limits your personnel, but when you have both Conklin and CJ I think you can easily force a team into a base defense and then put CJ out wide with Moore or GW in the slot and create mismatches in the passing game that way. I also think you can run a max protect with Moore, GW and CJ as receivers, keep conklin as a blocker to help the LT and then have Breece of MC run a pattern either out of the backfield or from an empty formation. What you say is true but I am not sure the Jets are better off locking Pittsburgh into base and running against a base front, than having Moore in the game instead of Uzomah and then running against nickel. In terms of limits I was mostly talking about personnel groupings. So you have WR either side, or 2WRs on same side as the only base configurations you have with variations in the spread within those so you could have both wide or shaded towards the slot. It does allow motioning into unbalanced running configurations for stretch plays which can be strong but at least up until this point our blocking out side has not been where it needs to be. 11 provides so much more in terms of ways to isolate specific defenders in coverage and disguise run looks. That said, Saleh WANTS a 12 focused team, and with Zach's first week back they very well might start that way this weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 6 hours ago, johnnysd said: Lol, last year anything around 30% would be 2nd in the NFL in frequency. 12 is very limiting offensively because you have so many fewer possible formations. So it can be easier to defend against. The NFL is an 11 personnel league. 11 fits our personnel the best as well. Ironically because a team will almost always go nickel against 11, 11 can be a more effective way to run the ball. For the Jets I would say the best fits for our offensive talent in order are: 11 (Moore, Wilson, Davis) 10 (Moore, Wilson Davis Berrios) 21 ( Carter Hall Conklin Davis Wilson) 12 (Conklin Ruckert/Uzomah Wilson Davis 20 (Carter Hall Moore Wilson Davis) 13 (Ruckert Uzomah Conklin Davis/Wilson) If I am the Jets I want Wilson and Moore on the field at the same time as much as possible. For now though Davis is still the primary X receiver. Having said that, with the issues we have at LT, the Jets may decide to run a lot of 12 this weekend to protect the blind side better. doesn't help any formation when your LG is on roller skates or when opposing offenses score 2 TD on 1st 2 possession of every game practically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeremy2020 Posted October 1, 2022 Share Posted October 1, 2022 6 hours ago, johnnysd said: Lol, last year anything around 30% would be 2nd in the NFL in frequency. 12 is very limiting offensively because you have so many fewer possible formations. So it can be easier to defend against. The NFL is an 11 personnel league. 11 fits our personnel the best as well. Ironically because a team will almost always go nickel against 11, 11 can be a more effective way to run the ball. For the Jets I would say the best fits for our offensive talent in order are: 11 (Moore, Wilson, Davis) 10 (Moore, Wilson Davis Berrios) 21 ( Carter Hall Conklin Davis Wilson) 12 (Conklin Ruckert/Uzomah Wilson Davis 20 (Carter Hall Moore Wilson Davis) 13 (Ruckert Uzomah Conklin Davis/Wilson) If I am the Jets I want Wilson and Moore on the field at the same time as much as possible. For now though Davis is still the primary X receiver. Having said that, with the issues we have at LT, the Jets may decide to run a lot of 12 this weekend to protect the blind side better. The best defenses in the NFL basically use Nickel as their base defense now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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