Scott Dierking Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 It's time to make this. Uncle Stevie is giving us presents all over. Time to move on from 2022. This club is going to spend for a couple years, to allow the system to catch up with them. Seems like same trades are probably coming now. Need a bat with some power. LFGM. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grandy Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 Great off-season, even with letting deGrom go. Much like last year, this was a dream offseason. So excited for this season. Really feel like we're in for special times. Have a great owner who actually loves this team and is willing to spend. Team looks arguably better than last years 100 win one. What a time to be a fan. Let's have an awesome year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 11, 2022 Share Posted December 11, 2022 Would've been nice for the Mets to have had money back when deGrom was healthy and in his prime but oh well. Verlander, Scherzer and Senga all have some question marks (age, and no MLB experience) but I still love the way it looks on paper. And I'm hoping that Senga can help us get Ohtani next offseason. I'm excited about giving Alvarez (C) and Baty (3B) a lot of playing time to give the team some youth (to go with the veterans) but I still think we need another established bat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 1st round QO draft picks for deGrom & Basset plus our own selection. Analytics dept needs to come up big this year. Need pitching badly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 12, 2022 Share Posted December 12, 2022 25 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: 1st round QO draft picks for deGrom & Basset plus our own selection. Analytics dept needs to come up big this year. Need pitching badly! Just draft BPA, imo. They'll have trade value if they're good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 49 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: Just draft BPA, imo. They'll have trade value if they're good. I bet we take 3 college pitchers in the first 2 rounds.Mets are looking to fast track pitching for 2025 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 https://metsmerizedonline.com/ronny-mauricio-hit-another-home-run/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 21 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: https://metsmerizedonline.com/ronny-mauricio-hit-another-home-run/ I was reading that they’re playing him at 3rd now. If he looks good there I wonder what that means for the other IF when the trade deadline approaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 9 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: I was reading that they’re playing him at 3rd now. If he looks good there I wonder what that means for the other IF when the trade deadline approaches. If you’re referring to Baty remember Mauricio is still 1-2 years away. I think we need to see players like Lee & Vientos step up and contribute on the MLB level. Hoping they haven’t plateaued at AAA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 13 hours ago, 32EBoozer said: 1st round QO draft picks for deGrom & Basset plus our own selection. Analytics dept needs to come up big this year. Need pitching badly! Those QO offers are not first rounders. Because of the exceeding of the luxury tax, they come after the 4th round now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 Right now, here are the Mets draft choices (does not include compensation for Bassit yet): -Pick 32-dropped 10 spots for exceeding luxury tax. -Pick 58 -Pick 93 -Pick 103 -Comp for unsigned 3rd round pick last year. -Pick 125 -Pick 135- Comp for deGrom That is still 6 (will be 7) in the top 140 picks. That should still be a haul, if their analytics is boosted as much as they believe. With that, should continue to have a atop 10 rated farm system, even with losing prospect status of Alvarez and Baty this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 59 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: Right now, here are the Mets draft choices (does not include compensation for Bassit yet): -Pick 32-dropped 10 spots for exceeding luxury tax. -Pick 58 -Pick 93 -Pick 103 -Comp for unsigned 3rd round pick last year. -Pick 125 -Pick 135- Comp for deGrom That is still 6 (will be 7) in the top 140 picks. That should still be a haul, if their analytics is boosted as much as they believe. With that, should continue to have a atop 10 rated farm system, even with losing prospect status of Alvarez and Baty this year. Wow! Comp for deGrom is a rip-off! Even dropping 10 spots for Cohen rule is a joke. The quicker the Farm System gets rebuilt, the better. I don't feel comfortable spending like this and it's not even my $. Grateful for Cohen going all in. We really would have had problems otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 3 hours ago, 32EBoozer said: If you’re referring to Baty remember Mauricio is still 1-2 years away. https://metsmerizedonline.com/ronny-mauricio-playing-third-base-in-lidom/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 Ottavino still being out there seems like a no-brainer. Buck really loved him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: Wow! Comp for deGrom is a rip-off! Even dropping 10 spots for Cohen rule is a joke. The quicker the Farm System gets rebuilt, the better. I don't feel comfortable spending like this and it's not even my $. Grateful for Cohen going all in. We really would have had problems otherwise. Van Wagnen chipped away at the underbelly of the farm system. He had to feel pressure to get immediate results, and while it was not great quality he traded away (Kelenic?) it was great quantity. And that robs a farm system of development. These last 2 drafts have helped replenish with quantity and quality. That and the investment of player development should put the Mets where they can be close to the Dodgers in identifying, and then developing consistent quality. The Wilpons knew when to get out. The barren farm system that was coming up, along with their unwillingness to invest in free agents would have made the current Mets unwatchable under their leadership. Cohen HAD to prop up the current club in order to compete. The exceeding the cap to this degree should be short lived, as the farm system catches up and begins to produce. There will be huge monies coming off the books in the next several years. Kudos to Cohen for playin the short game (for the fans sake) and investing in barren infrastructure. A special note need to go to Paul dePodesta, who produced many good players under his short term with the Mets. It is a shame the Browns hired him away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: https://metsmerizedonline.com/ronny-mauricio-playing-third-base-in-lidom/ Wait until he fills out a little more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Scott Dierking said: Right now, here are the Mets draft choices (does not include compensation for Bassit yet): -Pick 32-dropped 10 spots for exceeding luxury tax. -Pick 58 -Pick 93 -Pick 103 -Comp for unsigned 3rd round pick last year. -Pick 125 -Pick 135- Comp for deGrom That is still 6 (will be 7) in the top 140 picks. That should still be a haul, if their analytics is boosted as much as they believe. With that, should continue to have a atop 10 rated farm system, even with losing prospect status of Alvarez and Baty this year. I think it's pretty clear that Uncle $tevie gave the go-ahead to spend like crazy for a few years (Verlander and Scherzer are both short-term) until we can build up a pipeline of young players, where we can do the Atlanta Braves thing (of signing them long-term early on). I hate the Braves but that GM really figured out the formula. Of course, it all starts with drafting great players. I think we're basically going to have these 4 guys locked down long-term: 1B) Alonso 2B) McNeil SS) Lindor CF) Nimmo We have a couple of young guys ready to really start their careers next year: C ) Alvarez 3B) Baty And a few high ceiling prospects in the pipeline (I'm sure I'm missing some): C ) Kevin Parada 3B) Ronny Mauricio 3B) Mark Vientos OF) Alex Ramirez P) Matthew Allen With this upcoming draft, we can hopefully add several more key pieces for the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 24 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I think it's pretty clear that Uncle $tevie gave the go-ahead to spend like crazy for a few years (Verlander and Scherzer are both short-term) until we can build up a pipeline of young players, where we can do the Atlanta Braves thing (of signing them long-term early on). I hate the Braves but that GM really figured out the formula. Of course, it all starts with drafting great players. I think we're basically going to have these 4 guys locked down long-term: 1B) Alonso 2B) McNeil SS) Lindor CF) Nimmo We have a couple of young guys ready to really start their careers next year: C ) Alvarez 3B) Baty And a few high ceiling prospects in the pipeline (I'm sure I'm missing some): C ) Kevin Parada 3B) Ronny Mauricio 3B) Mark Vientos OF) Alex Ramirez P) Matthew Allen With this upcoming draft, we can hopefully add several more key pieces for the future. I'm not sold on Baty at all. Tons of talent but he didn't look like a guy that was less than a year away from being a major leaguer last fall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: I'm not sold on Baty at all. Tons of talent but he didn't look like a guy that was less than a year away from being a major leaguer last fall. I didn't think Alvarez did either. But I think they're both going to get a chance this year. I'll keep up the optimism on both since it was only a short stint in the majors for both last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 5 minutes ago, TuscanyTile2 said: I didn't think Alvarez did either. But I think they're both going to get a chance this year. I'll keep up the optimism on both since it was only a short stint in the majors for both last year. They called Alvarez up in a crappy and really odd situation that was completely unfair to him. Seemed to have at least handled it with grace. Baty on the other hand got a fair shot and just looked lost after the HR. Hopefully something clicks but he really looks like a kid. And if Escobar picks up where he left off last season, can they even afford to bother with Baty anyways? Probably not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Scott Dierking said: Van Wagnen chipped away at the underbelly of the farm system. He had to feel pressure to get immediate results, and while it was not great quality he traded away (Kelenic?) it was great quantity. And that robs a farm system of development. These last 2 drafts have helped replenish with quantity and quality. That and the investment of player development should put the Mets where they can be close to the Dodgers in identifying, and then developing consistent quality. The Wilpons knew when to get out. The barren farm system that was coming up, along with their unwillingness to invest in free agents would have made the current Mets unwatchable under their leadership. Cohen HAD to prop up the current club in order to compete. The exceeding the cap to this degree should be short lived, as the farm system catches up and begins to produce. There will be huge monies coming off the books in the next several years. Kudos to Cohen for playin the short game (for the fans sake) and investing in barren infrastructure. A special note need to go to Paul dePodesta, who produced many good players under his short term with the Mets. It is a shame the Browns hired him away. While we may have improved in identifying quality prospects, there are still a lot of questions surrounding our player development metrics! Considering how the Browns went ALL-IN on DW and the amount of Draft capital & Cap space.... perhaps dePodesta could be enticed to take over for Sandy?! The guy is brilliant! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 13, 2022 Author Share Posted December 13, 2022 33 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: While we may have improved in identifying quality prospects, there are still a lot of questions surrounding our player development metrics! Considering how the Browns went ALL-IN on DW and the amount of Draft capital & Cap space.... perhaps dePodesta could be enticed to take over for Sandy?! The guy is brilliant! They have been making more hires to benefit that aspect (development metrics) of it. Whether it works better, time will only tell. i do know that teams were trying to hire away some of our people in those areas, and Cohen gave them raises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 9 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: They have been making more hires to benefit that aspect (development metrics) of it. Whether it works better, time will only tell. i do know that teams were trying to hire away some of our people in those areas, and Cohen gave them raises. He actually recruited a bunch of computational experts from Ivy league schools last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted December 13, 2022 Share Posted December 13, 2022 16 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: He actually recruited a bunch of computational experts from Ivy league schools last year. I'd prefer one of the original guys who also has a multitude of year's experience running an organization. All the other computer nerds can report to the Alpha computer nerd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 8 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said: They called Alvarez up in a crappy and really odd situation that was completely unfair to him. Seemed to have at least handled it with grace. Baty on the other hand got a fair shot and just looked lost after the HR. Hopefully something clicks but he really looks like a kid. And if Escobar picks up where he left off last season, can they even afford to bother with Baty anyways? Probably not. The last 8-10 games Baty played before the injury he was starting to hit pretty much everything hard. I think he is going to, at worst, platoon at 3rd with Escobar, and more than likely be playing full time as the season goes along. FWIW, I have a friend who is a scout for another national league team snd in their opinion, Baty is the best hitter in our system by a wide margin. He was the guy teams were asking for at the deadline. They know what they have in this guy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Looks like the Mets were in on Correa for a little bit. Uncle Stevie still looking to make a big splash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 1 hour ago, RutgersJetFan said: Looks like the Mets were in on Correa for a little bit. Uncle Stevie still looking to make a big splash. Was it Cohen or Correa's agent putting that rumor out there, looking to drive up the price. I'd bet the latter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: Was it Cohen or Correa's agent putting that rumor out there, looking to drive up the price. I'd bet the latter. Maybe? Giants drove up the price on Nimmo but the fact that the Mets wanted Correa in the past gives it some legs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted December 14, 2022 Author Share Posted December 14, 2022 20 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said: Was it Cohen or Correa's agent putting that rumor out there, looking to drive up the price. I'd bet the latter. The Athletic had a source from inside the Mets office that said something along the lines of where there is smoke..... but they did not know how large the fire was. The Mets very well have been used in the process to raise the price up. The Mets wanted a high priced short term deal, but I can't blame Correa taking the deal he got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 11 hours ago, section314 said: The last 8-10 games Baty played before the injury he was starting to hit pretty much everything hard. I think he is going to, at worst, platoon at 3rd with Escobar, and more than likely be playing full time as the season goes along. FWIW, I have a friend who is a scout for another national league team snd in their opinion, Baty is the best hitter in our system by a wide margin. He was the guy teams were asking for at the deadline. They know what they have in this guy. Good. The better Baty is regarded the lower the likelihood we'll have to include someone like McNeil in a deal for Ohtani. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 2 minutes ago, Scott Dierking said: The Athletic had a source from inside the Mets office that said something along the lines of where there is smoke..... but they did not know how large the fire was. The Mets very well have been used in the process to raise the price up. The Mets wanted a high priced short term deal, but I can't blame Correa taking the deal he got. That deal, and really all the deals this offseason, makes Lindor look like a ******* bargain now. Another year or two and his salary won't even be top ten in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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faba Posted December 14, 2022 Share Posted December 14, 2022 Reading Cohen wants more offense for the Mets still- Conforto and JD Martinez names being talked about How do we feel about either one of those guys mainly as DH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32EBoozer Posted December 15, 2022 Share Posted December 15, 2022 Need LH power IMO. I’d love for Conforto to get a 1 yr. cheap deal as 4th OF. I wouldn’t mind JD also… just sayin’ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted December 16, 2022 Share Posted December 16, 2022 Mets just signed Omar Narvaez to a 1-year deal. Have to assume this means they're looking to move McCann. Maybe for another arm in the pen? Can't imagine they'll get much for him straight up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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