Lamar got paid 5 years, $260,000,000

[undertow]

5 minutes ago, Warfish said:

What were we wrong about?

The Jets had no interest, the rest of the NFL had no interest, only the Ravens did. 

And he got the 5-year, $250M+ contract he was demanding, he just didn't get 100% guaranteed (only about 70% of it).

Pretty much what most of us thought all along.

I guess the Ravens weren't in on the collusion then too.

The next five years will determine the "is he worth that price" question, where most of us could in fact be proven wrong and guys like JiF could be proven right, if he's a stud all 5 years and stays healthy.

Exactly everyone knew Jackson was gonna get a ton of money the interesting part of this negotiation was are team gonna give players fully guaranteed contract over 5 years or was the Watson contract a one off.

[Green Ghost]

21 minutes ago, Warfish said:

 

The next five years will determine the "is he worth that price" question, where most of us could in fact be proven wrong and guys like JiF could be proven right, if he's a stud all 5 years and stays healthy.

is this the same bar you hold all athletes to?

[jetblue95]

1 minute ago, GreenFish said:

To piggy back off this, here’s where both sides started

1) Ravens: 3 years $133M fully gtd

2) Lamar: 5 years $250M fully gtd

 

Where they ended. 5 years 260M with $185M fully gtd.

They essentially met in the middle. And a better deal than Hurts got.

 

not sure if we know the full details yet.  and the original offer was not 3 years, $133MM fully-guaranteed.  that is some mischaracterization which has been run with, but not accurate according to the various reporting by schefter and mort and others.

https://www.si.com/nfl/ravens/news/baltimore-ravens-lamar-jackson-contract-franchise-tag-guaranteed-eric-decosta

[Green Ghost]

10 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

He won't be "highest paid" for very long.  Herbert and Burrow are still waiting for their deals.

And what choice did they have?

Roll with Huntley?  Trade their entire draft for the right to select Anthony Richardson and then hope in 3 years, he's half as good as Lamar is right now?

Um… okay? Who signs the highest contract thinking it will always be that?

As far as their choice? You kinda answered it in your next paragraph, no? The Ravens looked at their options and made a decision.

This ain’t no charity, man, and it ain’t a hobby either. It’s a business.

 

[Beerfish]

I'll repeat my comment about lamar and this goes for many QBs in the league these days.  To be mvp lamar the true weapon he is he has to run and run a lot.  When you run a lot you get hurt or at east nicked, then comes the obvious, we have to protect him and not let him run and he is not longer weapon lamar.

I see the same thing happening to Josh Allen, he even talked about it, 'I have to run less and not put myself at risk'

It is not just all the extra first downs long runs and scores but the actual threat teams have to game plan for.

If I'm a opposing team my wish is, by all means protect you 50 million qb and not put him at risk, that makes our job a lot easier.

Now are these guys going to be bums by not running as much?  No of course not they are good but a drop back lamar is not an mvp caliber player.

[undertow]

6 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

 

not sure if we know the full details yet.  and the original offer was not 3 years, $133MM fully-guaranteed.  that is some mischaracterization which has been run with, but not accurate according to the various reporting by schefter and mort and others.

https://www.si.com/nfl/ravens/news/baltimore-ravens-lamar-jackson-contract-franchise-tag-guaranteed-eric-decosta

I'm sure the reported offer was a bit low for PR purposes.....Hurts signing an extension helped everyone out by laying out a blue print for a fair offer and Jackson waiting probably made himself an extra 20-30 mil or something but he didn't get the fully guaranteed Watson contract. 

[Green Ghost]

2 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I'll repeat my comment about lamar and this goes for many QBs in the league these days.  To be mvp lamar the true weapon he is he has to run and run a lot.  When you run a lot you get hurt or at east nicked, then comes the obvious, we have to protect him and not let him run and he is not longer weapon lamar.

I see the same thing happening to Josh Allen, he even talked about it, 'I have to run less and not put myself at risk'

It is not just all the extra first downs long runs and scores but the actual threat teams have to game plan for.

If I'm a opposing team my wish is, by all means protect you 50 million qb and not put him at risk, that makes our job a lot easier.

Now are these guys going to be bums by not running as much?  No of course not they are good but a drop back lamar is not an mvp caliber player.

Where do QBs get hurt most often? In the pocket or outside of it?

If you answer outside, you’re wrong.

[Green Ghost]

Just now, undertow said:

I'm sure the reported offer was a bit low for PR purposes.....Hurts signing an extension helped everyone out by laying out a blue print for a fair offer and Jackson waiting probably made himself an extra 20-30 mil or something but he didn't get the fully guaranteed Watson contract. 

You can’t get past that, can you?

[32EBoozer]

55 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

ThE gUY nEEdS tO gET aN AgEnT!!!

What is the normal agent % on a deal like that? 3%?
Lamaar saved.. what $7-$8 mil? Was it worth it in the long run?

[undertow]

Just now, Green Ghost said:

You can’t get past that, can you?

Again I'm not emotionally invested I'm interested in the contract structures going forward....just like the Rodgers deal people are invested in "who won" or "who got owned" the truth is they met in the middle....Jackson is the highest paid QB in the league and the Ravens are not on the hook for 5 years if there's an injury.

[TommyT]

1 hour ago, Larz said:

Rapoport

5 years , $260 

more than hurts 

Good luck keeping him upright.

[Kelly to Allen no huddle]

4 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

I'll repeat my comment about lamar and this goes for many QBs in the league these days.  To be mvp lamar the true weapon he is he has to run and run a lot.  When you run a lot you get hurt or at east nicked, then comes the obvious, we have to protect him and not let him run and he is not longer weapon lamar.

I see the same thing happening to Josh Allen, he even talked about it, 'I have to run less and not put myself at risk'

It is not just all the extra first downs long runs and scores but the actual threat teams have to game plan for.

If I'm a opposing team my wish is, by all means protect you 50 million qb and not put him at risk, that makes our job a lot easier.

Now are these guys going to be bums by not running as much?  No of course not they are good but a drop back lamar is not an mvp caliber player.

Josh Allen runs the Earnhardt -perkins offense. The same offense Brady ran for two decades. Less than 10% of Allen runs are designed. It's usually him scrambling to find an open wr or get the first down, similar to Elway or Roger Staubach, big Ben , mahomes etc...

Lamar runs the pistol offense, and triple, double option and other rpo stuff. His game is predicted first off his running threat... 

Allen, mahomes are great passing qbs who's game is based off passing who have the mobility as a plus....

Lamar is the opposite.

Lamar has a traditional oc this year so we'll see if he can pass it at a high level consistently with much more volume in the passing attack 

[jetblue95]

3 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Where do QBs get hurt most often? In the pocket or outside of it?

If you answer outside, you’re wrong.

 

of course that is just statistics since i'm sure the proportion of time in the pocket exceeds the proportion of time outside the pocket while sampling all QBs for every play.

do really think a dual threat QB like lamar is at less of a risk of injury over the long-run than a traditional pocket passer?

[Kelly to Allen no huddle]

If anything buffalo needs to protect Allen more by improving the offensive line and create an actual running game that is truly respected. It took Denver 15 years to figure it out with Elway 

[Green Ghost]

“HA! HE DIDN’T GET A FULLY GUARANTEED CONTRACT!!!”

 

[Kelly to Allen no huddle]

5 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

What is the normal agent % on a deal like that? 3%?
Lamaar saved.. what $7-$8 mil? Was it worth it in the long run?

A lawyer on retainer looking over the contract probably eats up some of that

[Beerfish]

10 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Where do QBs get hurt most often? In the pocket or outside of it?

If you answer outside, you’re wrong.

That is not the point it is the perception of where they get hurt.  Lamar got hurt the last two years. They have paid him a gazillion dollars, they are not going to happily design an offense and have him put himself at risk all the time.  And it only takes one injury to come via running to have teams get panicky and try and 'reduce the risk'

[Kelly to Allen no huddle]

4 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

“HA! HE DIDN’T GET A FULLY GUARANTEED CONTRACT!!!”

 

Who would you rather have, Rodgers or Lamar?

 I'm taking Rodgers even at his age every time 

[Green Ghost]

3 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

 

of course that is just statistics since i'm sure the proportion of time in the pocket exceeds the proportion of time outside the pocket while sampling all QBs for every play.

do really think a dual threat QB like lamar is at less of a risk of injury over the long-run than a traditional pocket passer?

Most injuries are from hits you don’t see coming.
With the rules in place now it’s more likely a blind side shot in the pocket or getting hit while throwing rather than one where you see the field in front of you while running (and can slide and not be hit) will be the cause of injury.

[Green Ghost]

8 minutes ago, Beerfish said:

That is not the point it is the perception of where they get hurt.  Lamar got hurt the last two years. They have paid him a gazillion dollars, they are not going to happily design an offense and have him put himself at risk all the time.  And it only takes one injury to come via running to have teams get panicky and try and 'reduce the risk'

How many “pocket passers” have gotten injured the last two years?

News Flash… football is a rough game. QBs get hurt. Ask them.

On the Jets last year Zach and White. Tua. Stafford. The entire 49er QB room. They had to use a freaking RB to play QB in the Super Bowl! I could keep naming more, but come on with this nonsense.

[batman10023]

39 minutes ago, Waka Flocka Flacco said:

He missed out on 41 million dollars cash in 2021 and 2022 trying to get a fully-guaranteed contract.

He wound up with traditional quarterback structure.

That is an unqualified disaster. Calling it anything else is ludicrous, and calling it 'did fine' is patronizing to boot.

baloney.  unqualified disaster - lol.

his decision to not take a contract a year ago was a mistake.  i have said that repeatedly the math wouldn't work out for him.

but this contract is fine and good for him assuming nothing funky.

a disaster would have been playing on the tag for 2 years.

[New York Mick]

That’s a lot for an injury prone running QB but not surprising. 

[AFJF]

What?  He ended up staying in Baltimore with the Ravens?

[batman10023]

40 minutes ago, GreenFish said:

To piggy back off this, here’s where both sides started this offseason

1) Ravens: 3 years $133M fully gtd

2) Lamar: 5 years $250M fully gtd

 

Where they ended. 5 years 260M with $185M fully gtd.

They essentially met in the middle. And a better deal than Hurts got. Both sides gave in.

he most likely isn't getting 185mm fully gtd.

[New York Mick]

21 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Where do QBs get hurt most often? In the pocket or outside of it?

If you answer outside, you’re wrong.

Seriously lol

[jeremy2020]

guess he finally realized fully guaranteed wasn't happening

[Kelly to Allen no huddle]

15 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Where do QBs get hurt most often? In the pocket or outside of it?

If you answer outside, you’re wrong.

This is repeatedly said yet doesn't make sense. 

Firstly the Classic Can Newton example.

Cam was never a great passing qb and was more like Lamar an rpo QB. Cam ripped up his shoulder in the pocket. He was never the same afterwards. But it wasn't because cam was a physical runner, it was literally because Cam was never a great passer and his shoulder was permanently damaged in the pocket. The exact same thing happened to Pennington. 

Secondly the issue isn't with mobile qbs. It's total hits inside and outside the Pocket and rpo QBs... The difference between Josh Allen, Steve Young or Warren Moon and Cam newton, Tim Tebow or Lamar, is that the rpo qbs need that offense to function as a passer. Guys like Mahomes or Allen can sit back 50x and never run and dice you up. 

Newton and Lamar can't

 

[Green Ghost]

21 minutes ago, 32EBoozer said:

What is the normal agent % on a deal like that? 3%?
Lamaar saved.. what $7-$8 mil? Was it worth it in the long run?

That’s for him to answer, no? He has 260 million reasons not to care though, right?

[Bruce Harper]

1 hour ago, Warfish said:

Good for him.

Hope we crush him if we face him again.  Especially in the playoffs.

It depends on whether it is one of the six games a year that he plays.  This could be a franchise crippling deal.

[Kelly to Allen no huddle]

Mobile qbs are nothing new. Staubach, Tarkenton , Cunningham did the same stuff decades ago 

[Green Ghost]

14 minutes ago, Kelly to Allen no huddle said:

Who would you rather have, Rodgers or Lamar?

 I'm taking Rodgers even at his age every time 

Very happy to have Rodgers, but I’ll take Lamar over him if I could.

[Kelly to Allen no huddle]

14 minutes ago, Green Ghost said:

Most injuries are from hits you don’t see coming.
With the rules in place now it’s more likely a blind side shot in the pocket or getting hit while throwing rather than one where you see the field in front of you while running (and can slide and not be hit) will be the cause of injury.

Allen hurt his elbow in the pocket because Quessenberry is a BUM!!! DRAFT OLINE BEANE !!!

[jetblue95]

Just now, Green Ghost said:

I’ll take Lamar.

lamar will likely play longer given their respective ages

but for each of the last 3 seasons, rodgers has been the better QB, even in his down 2022 season with a broken thumb

for the next 2, i'd take rodgers.  

[Jet Nut]

1 hour ago, Kelly to Allen no huddle said:

Probably one of the dumber contracts in NFL history if true. This guy is in danger of not even starting in a couple years if he can't run an NFL offense. Beyond bizarre 

He was getting paid.  Nothing dumb about it, it’s what QBs like Lamar get.  And he didn’t get it guaranteed 

[Green Ghost]

3 minutes ago, jetblue95 said:

lamar will likely play longer given their respective ages

but for each of the last 3 seasons, rodgers has been the better QB, even in his down 2022 season with a broken thumb

for the next 2, i'd take rodgers.  

Is there a wrong answer? I don’t think so….?‍♂️