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2 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

Well…. Only Miami in the division. Tennessee & Jacksonville games are away.

Total of 3 games vs. 9 for LV

LV having 8 home and 1 away game (TB) where income not taxed. Figure he gets a 2 yr. $24 mil contract with $10 mil guaranteed. For arguments sake we’ll split it evenly per year for $h!ts & giggles. 🤭 

$705,882 per game x 8 home games = $5,647,058

x 10.75% NJ tax  = $607,058 in state tax

LV benefit:

I’m sure some of the accountants on the board will shred my simplistic assessment of the tax law, but regardless, LV does have an advantage in distance from SD, tax rate, state of the art stadium and a few others I will leave out.

 

It's a bigger advantage than you're making out, because no one's forcing him to receive all his money as base salary. There's up front bonus money that often (if not typically) exceeds the y1 base salary amount. All of that would theoretically be taxed in the team's home state. In the case of Vegas, that's 0%.

2 years $24MM, and then throw on top of that 2 void years added. 

$10MM guaranteed is way too light. It'd never happen. No one of substance is signing a contract with less money guaranteed than the average amount. So bare minimum it'd be $12MM and in reality it'd likely be a bit over that to give the team a disincentive to cutting him early. 2 years $24MM would therefore come with $12-14MM guaranteed. Split the baby and call that $13MM, paid out in y1 as $12MM in signing bonus, per game roster bonuses, workout bonus; plus then $1MM salary. The $12MM bonus money would be fully (state income) tax free in Vegas, as well as half the teams' home games, whereas here ~95% of it would be taxed at 10.75% in NJ (in round numbers. So he'd lose around $1.2MM of (after-tax) cash to NJ instead of keeping that tax-free $ in NV. Further note that he can't deduct that $1.2MM NJ state tax from his federal taxes anymore (or anyway, barely any of it).

Then in y2 it depends on whether he restructures or not, if the team could use further extra cap room. If it's all (or almost all) salary in y2 then look at scenarios that only factor in home vs. away games.

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7 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

Certainly a lot easier relocating to LV than NY. Hoping that having an opportunity to play with Rodgers overrides Minishew & O’Connell, no state income tax & DA opposite you & Raiders with more Cap Space 

Our odds aren’t great.

He could buy Zach’s house.

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1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

It's a bigger advantage than you're making out, because no one's forcing him to receive all his money as base salary. There's up front bonus money that often (if not typically) exceeds the y1 base salary amount. All of that would theoretically be taxed in the team's home state. In the case of Vegas, that's 0%.

2 years $24MM, and then throw on top of that 2 void years added. 

$10MM guaranteed is way too light. It'd never happen. No one of substance is signing a contract with less money guaranteed than the average amount. So bare minimum it'd be $12MM and in reality it'd likely be a bit over that to give the team a disincentive to cutting him early. 2 years $24MM would therefore come with $12-14MM guaranteed. Split the baby and call that $13MM, paid out in y1 as $12MM in signing bonus, per game roster bonuses, workout bonus; plus then $1MM salary. The $12MM bonus money would be fully (state income) tax free in Vegas, as well as half the teams' home games, whereas here ~95% of it would be taxed at 10.75% in NJ (in round numbers. So he'd lose around $1.2MM of (after-tax) cash to NJ instead of keeping that tax-free $ in NV. Further note that he can't deduct that $1.2MM NJ state tax from his federal taxes anymore (or anyway, barely any of it).

Then in y2 it depends on whether he restructures or not, if the team could use further extra cap room. If it's all (or almost all) salary in y2 then look at scenarios that only factor in home vs. away games.

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1 hour ago, Sperm Edwards said:

It's a bigger advantage than you're making out, because no one's forcing him to receive all his money as base salary. There's up front bonus money that often (if not typically) exceeds the y1 base salary amount. All of that would theoretically be taxed in the team's home state. In the case of Vegas, that's 0%.

2 years $24MM, and then throw on top of that 2 void years added. 

$10MM guaranteed is way too light. It'd never happen. No one of substance is signing a contract with less money guaranteed than the average amount. So bare minimum it'd be $12MM and in reality it'd likely be a bit over that to give the team a disincentive to cutting him early. 2 years $24MM would therefore come with $12-14MM guaranteed. Split the baby and call that $13MM, paid out in y1 as $12MM in signing bonus, per game roster bonuses, workout bonus; plus then $1MM salary. The $12MM bonus money would be fully (state income) tax free in Vegas, as well as half the teams' home games, whereas here ~95% of it would be taxed at 10.75% in NJ (in round numbers. So he'd lose around $1.2MM of (after-tax) cash to NJ instead of keeping that tax-free $ in NV. Further note that he can't deduct that $1.2MM NJ state tax from his federal taxes anymore (or anyway, barely any of it).

Then in y2 it depends on whether he restructures or not, if the team could use further extra cap room. If it's all (or almost all) salary in y2 then look at scenarios that only factor in home vs. away games.

I wonder if anyone in the New Jersey State Government realizes any of this!! LOL

 

Just let people pump their own gas like the rest of the damn planet and lower the tax rate! Its KILLING my Football Team!! 😁

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7 hours ago, 32EBoozer said:

Certainly a lot easier relocating to LV than NY. Hoping that having an opportunity to play with Rodgers overrides Minishew & O’Connell, no state income tax & DA opposite you & Raiders with more Cap Space 

Our odds aren’t great.

Supposedly Douglas offering less money thinking he will take less to play for the jets???? Why?? The jets have sucked his entire tenure here...

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4 minutes ago, rayzor said:

Jeudy just got a 3 year contract extension worth up to $58M, including $41M fully guaranteed at signing from the Browns.  This might be impactful.

Wow… BIG overpay! Get Williams signed now before the agent sees that news!

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1 hour ago, rayzor said:

Jeudy just got a 3 year contract extension worth up to $58M, including $41M fully guaranteed at signing from the Browns.  This might be impactful.

Agreed.

Unless Williams and his agent are locked in a room where there is no cell service, I think he is going to take his sweet ass time now.  No reason for them not to unless he really wants to be here.

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22 minutes ago, Mogglez said:

Agreed.

Unless Williams and his agent are locked in a room where there is no cell service, I think he is going to take his sweet ass time now.  No reason for them not to unless he really wants to be here.

4 concrete walls with no signal.

Nice job Joe Douglas!

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