drago Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 3 pressing needs on the Jets Corner Right Tackle DE/DT Corner will probably be a FA fix. As for the other two, I see the inability to run as a more pressing issue than stopping the run. If we do pick up a corner (as most of us expect) that should help the run to a degree. If we run the ball next year as we did this year, its putting more pressure on everyone's favorite Chad to throw 40 times a game. IMO RT needs to be the 1st round choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pragmatic Bus Posted January 30, 2007 Share Posted January 30, 2007 you can get a good rt in second or third round but a franchise DE or CB are only available in the first round Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangenious420 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 3 pressing needs on the Jets Corner Right Tackle DE/DT Corner will probably be a FA fix. As for the other two, I see the inability to run as a more pressing issue than stopping the run. If we do pick up a corner (as most of us expect) that should help the run to a degree. If we run the ball next year as we did this year, its putting more pressure on everyone's favorite Chad to throw 40 times a game. IMO RT needs to be the 1st round choice. We spent our first two picks last year on OL. Like Chad said if we want a stud on defense in this draft, we need to use our first rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted January 31, 2007 Author Share Posted January 31, 2007 We spent our first two picks last year on OL. Like Chad said if we want a stud on defense in this draft, we need to use our first rounder. stud DE's are usually top 10 pick. there are pently of Tackles available later, like you said. It never hurts to be very good in one area, (granted we would be giving up a bit on D) as for corners, not too often you find a great corner that late in the draft. Don't quote me the Bear corners since they play more drop zone, they don't have to cover guys like Surtain used to, or Hall does now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 3 pressing needs on the Jets Corner Right Tackle DE/DT Corner will probably be a FA fix. As for the other two, I see the inability to run as a more pressing issue than stopping the run. If we do pick up a corner (as most of us expect) that should help the run to a degree. If we run the ball next year as we did this year, its putting more pressure on everyone's favorite Chad to throw 40 times a game. IMO RT needs to be the 1st round choice. Can we add RB to this list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rajensen088 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Sporting News bottom line on Carriker.. Sounds like another Anthony Schlegal Bottom line: Carriker is a tough prospect to grade because he is tackle/end 'tweener. He is not a good athlete and does not produce at a high level. He has the size and strength to be a solid two-gap tackle in a 4-3 scheme or end in a 3-4 defense, but he is not going to make many impact plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Sporting News bottom line on Carriker.. Sounds like another Anthony Schlegal Bottom line: Carriker is a tough prospect to grade because he is tackle/end 'tweener. He is not a good athlete and does not produce at a high level. He has the size and strength to be a solid two-gap tackle in a 4-3 scheme or end in a 3-4 defense, but he is not going to make many impact plays. more like AJ Hawk than Anthony Schlegel it won't be an issue for Jets fans, Carriker is not making it out of the top 15. he's beastly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 more like AJ Hawk than Anthony Schlegel it won't be an issue for Jets fans, Carriker is not making it out of the top 15. he's beastly. In that case I hope he is a huge bust so we dont wish we had him... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted January 31, 2007 Author Share Posted January 31, 2007 Can we add RB to this list? I put that as 4th on the list, but yeah, it is pressing... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uart Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 I think we definitely need a RT, but we also need a RB for him to block for. Leon is great but he needs a partner in crime. Obviously a DT/corner are needs on D as well, and hopefully we'll get all of those positions sorted out in the draft. I say, take the best available player at any of those positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Sporting News bottom line on Carriker.. Sounds like another Anthony Schlegal Bottom line: Carriker is a tough prospect to grade because he is tackle/end 'tweener. He is not a good athlete and does not produce at a high level. He has the size and strength to be a solid two-gap tackle in a 4-3 scheme or end in a 3-4 defense, but he is not going to make many impact plays. All I know is that he was all over the field in the Senior Bowl on Saturday. And he WAS making impact plays. Of course that was only one game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mangenious420 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Well the way it sound's he might not even be available. I still don't want a right tackle with our first pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Justin Blalock or Aaron Sears are the RT prospects the Jets would be looking at and one or both of them will be available to us in the 2nd round. Manuel Ramirez is a good RG prospect and he will most likely be there at Round 3. There are plenty of needs the Jets should fill but probably the biggest one is quarterback. After that NT since Dewayne Robertson is not a real 3-4 NT, then RB, then RT, RG, DE, and LG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Justin Blalock or Aaron Sears are the RT prospects the Jets would be looking at and one or both of them will be available to us in the 2nd round. Manuel Ramirez is a good RG prospect and he will most likely be there at Round 3. There are plenty of needs the Jets should fill but probably the biggest one is quarterback. After that NT since Dewayne Robertson is not a real 3-4 NT, then RB, then RT, RG, DE, and LG. Earth to Pete, Earth to Pete , I'm hoping that you are not TOO far up North that the cold weather froze your brain. NFW the Jets are using a 1st round pick on a QB. There's just too many other needs like DL or RB. Taking a RT in the 2nd round is a possibility since we have 2 picks in that round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 Earth to Pete, Earth to Pete , I'm hoping that you are not TOO far up North that the cold weather froze your brain. NFW the Jets are using a 1st round pick on a QB. There's just too many other needs like DL or RB. Taking a RT in the 2nd round is a possibility since we have 2 picks in that round. Ofcourse we're not using a first round pick on a QB. The two good QB's in the draft will be long gone by the time we pick. Still, it is our biggest need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoachTsurfing Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 I think we will use our first rounder on bpa. The wr position is real deep, rb as we've seen can be had in the later rounds, as well as guards. we will probably get a very good cb in fa. so wichever bpa available in those other area's we will probably go after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 I think we will use our first rounder on bpa. The wr position is real deep, rb as we've seen can be had in the later rounds, as well as guards. we will probably get a very good cb in fa. so wichever bpa available in those other area's we will probably go after. Everybody seems to think it's a given that we'll get a top FA corner. I agree we'll go after one, but all the teams have $$ this year and we aren't the only ones that figured out that Samuel and Clements are good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted January 31, 2007 Author Share Posted January 31, 2007 Everybody seems to think it's a given that we'll get a top FA corner. I agree we'll go after one, but all the teams have $$ this year and we aren't the only ones that figured out that Samuel and Clements are good. If we get a top tier corner, I don't think we can pass on a RT. I realize that RB is a weak spot on the field, but we can survive with what we have. Having a good RT would make avg RB's look really good. If you want proof of that look at the Chiefs. Priest holmes gets hurt, insert Derrick Blaylock. Behind a ****ty line Blaylock shows his true colors. What's to stop Cedric Houston from looking like the Blaylock from the chiefs, behind a good line? It seems like we would be jumping the gun to get a good RB now, behind a suspect line. A good back will still get stuffed if there is a defender in his face right when he gets the ball. I also realize a rookie RT will not be Will Shields right away, but it does put the wheels in motion for years to come. And at that point no one will care who the back is as long as we keep getting 100 yard games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 If we get a top tier corner, I don't think we can pass on a RT. I realize that RB is a weak spot on the field, but we can survive with what we have. Having a good RT would make avg RB's look really good. If you want proof of that look at the Chiefs. Priest holmes gets hurt, insert Derrick Blaylock. Behind a ****ty line Blaylock shows his true colors. What's to stop Cedric Houston from looking like the Blaylock from the chiefs, behind a good line? It seems like we would be jumping the gun to get a good RB now, behind a suspect line. A good back will still get stuffed if there is a defender in his face right when he gets the ball. I also realize a rookie RT will not be Will Shields right away, but it does put the wheels in motion for years to come. And at that point no one will care who the back is as long as we keep getting 100 yard games. ding ding ding We have a winner Good post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 If we get a top tier corner, I don't think we can pass on a RT. I realize that RB is a weak spot on the field, but we can survive with what we have. Having a good RT would make avg RB's look really good. If you want proof of that look at the Chiefs. Priest holmes gets hurt, insert Derrick Blaylock. Behind a ****ty line Blaylock shows his true colors. What's to stop Cedric Houston from looking like the Blaylock from the chiefs, behind a good line? It seems like we would be jumping the gun to get a good RB now, behind a suspect line. A good back will still get stuffed if there is a defender in his face right when he gets the ball. I also realize a rookie RT will not be Will Shields right away, but it does put the wheels in motion for years to come. And at that point no one will care who the back is as long as we keep getting 100 yard games. I don't have anything against the general idea. If we help the D in FA draft O, build the lines first. Problem is there are only so many good OTs. Suppose Thomas, Levi Brown, Blalock and Ugoh are all gone. Do you pick say Sears-just because he's an OT? I think that's a recipe for disaster. RT is an awfully specific position to decide you're going to automatically draft one. Personally, I feel DLine is a bigger problem than OLine. We need a starting DE and depth at all spots. I will not be crying or surprised if Ellis and DRob are the only two that return from that group next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted January 31, 2007 Author Share Posted January 31, 2007 I don't have anything against the general idea. If we help the D in FA draft O, build the lines first. Problem is there are only so many good OTs. Suppose Thomas, Levi Brown, Blalock and Ugoh are all gone. Do you pick say Sears-just because he's an OT? I think that's a recipe for disaster. RT is an awfully specific position to decide you're going to automatically draft one. I agree with you there, if the top 3 RT's are not available there is no reason to draft one. I will also admitt to not knowing much about NCAA this year, but history shows tackles tend to be avaible late first round. Winston Justice, Eric Winston, McNeil. Not to mention Mangold was projected as the best center in the draft...i think that was undisputed...and he slid all the way to 29. Overall I just think there will be a better RT than there will be RB/DE. If Carriker is there, well then i guess its decsion time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 I agree with you there, if the top 3 RT's are not available there is no reason to draft one. I will also admitt to not knowing much about NCAA this year, but history shows tackles tend to be avaible late first round. Winston Justice, Eric Winston, McNeil. Not to mention Mangold was projected as the best center in the draft...i think that was undisputed...and he slid all the way to 29. Overall I just think there will be a better RT than there will be RB/DE. If Carriker is there, well then i guess its decsion time. McNeill, Justice and Winston were taken second round and later. Same goes for Andrew Whitworth, Ryan O'Callaghan, and Jeremy Trueblood. You can always find good offensive linemen later in the draft. Look at our own history. Jason Fabini was a 4th round pick, Kareem Mackenzie was a 3rd round pick. Ryan Young 7th round. Derrick Blaylock sucks. Ditto for Houston and Barlow. You can have five hall of famers blocking for them and they would still blow. Leon Washington can get a a 4.0 ypc behind our crappy o-line but Barlow and Houston it's 1 yard and dust every play. You either have talent or you don't and our backfield is seriously lacking in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted February 1, 2007 Author Share Posted February 1, 2007 McNeill, Justice and Winston were taken second round and later. Same goes for Andrew Whitworth, Ryan O'Callaghan, and Jeremy Trueblood. You can always find good offensive linemen later in the draft. Look at our own history. Jason Fabini was a 4th round pick, Kareem Mackenzie was a 3rd round pick. Ryan Young 7th round. Derrick Blaylock sucks. Ditto for Houston and Barlow. You can have five hall of famers blocking for them and they would still blow. Leon Washington can get a a 4.0 ypc behind our crappy o-line but Barlow and Houston it's 1 yard and dust every play. You either have talent or you don't and our backfield is seriously lacking in it. KC Chiefs had two sure fire probowlers (Roaf, Shields) along with a pretty good gaurd (Waters) and it made the same Derrick Blaylock look good enough to the Jets to sign. Funny how that works. I don't agree with your estimation of any of our backs (except Leon), all of them can play. None of them are top 15 in the league, but that wouldn't matter if we had a line in place. I do agree with your idea of draft Linemen in later rounds, to a point. You listed three good ones, and I could list quite a few more on multiple teams (packers, pats, colts), but there are more bad linemen drafted in those rounds than good ones. The good ones are there, don't get me wrong, its only a better bet to grab them early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TNJet Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 McNeill, Justice and Winston were taken second round and later. Same goes for Andrew Whitworth, Ryan O'Callaghan, and Jeremy Trueblood. You can always find good offensive linemen later in the draft. Look at our own history. Jason Fabini was a 4th round pick, Kareem Mackenzie was a 3rd round pick. Ryan Young 7th round. Derrick Blaylock sucks. Ditto for Houston and Barlow. You can have five hall of famers blocking for them and they would still blow. Leon Washington can get a a 4.0 ypc behind our crappy o-line but Barlow and Houston it's 1 yard and dust every play. You either have talent or you don't and our backfield is seriously lacking in it. Nah,Cedric is a good back and could make it with some run blocking.Hes like a Dillon type back very strong and deceptively fast.Should we upgrade? sure.But Cedric is a keeper in my opinion,he just needs to stay healthy.As for Barlow he does blow goat,we need to dump him for a 7th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 McNeill, Justice and Winston were taken second round and later. Same goes for Andrew Whitworth, Ryan O'Callaghan, and Jeremy Trueblood. You can always find good offensive linemen later in the draft. Look at our own history. Jason Fabini was a 4th round pick, Kareem Mackenzie was a 3rd round pick. Ryan Young 7th round. Derrick Blaylock sucks. Ditto for Houston and Barlow. You can have five hall of famers blocking for them and they would still blow. Leon Washington can get a a 4.0 ypc behind our crappy o-line but Barlow and Houston it's 1 yard and dust every play. You either have talent or you don't and our backfield is seriously lacking in it. Dude, the only good player there is McNeil. Trueblood, Callaghan, Whitworth all blew this year, Trueblood and Callaghan esp suck it hard. Justice might be good, but he didnt even sniff snaps this year did he? How about trex armed Winston? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 Dude, the only good player there is McNeil. Trueblood, Callaghan, Whitworth all blew this year, Trueblood and Callaghan esp suck it hard. Justice might be good, but he didnt even sniff snaps this year did he? How about trex armed Winston? They were rookies. Funny how D'Brickashaw Ferguson can give up sacks left and right and can't run-block but the rookie excuse works for him and not other players. McNeill is a phenom and has already played at a superstar level in the NFL with no experience but very few players can do that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 As for the earlier post comparing Cedric Houston to Corey Dillon give me a break. He is a scrub. I'm becoming more and more amazed with the propensity of Jets fans to overrate their own players. Blaylock also stinks. He is slow, has no moves and does not run hard. T-Baum better cut this loser. But then again, this is the site where people argued to me that Doug Jolley was a good tight end and that Brooks Bollinger should be our QB of the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted February 2, 2007 Author Share Posted February 2, 2007 But then again, this is the site where people argued to me that Doug Jolley was a good tight end and that Brooks Bollinger should be our QB of the future. LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gang_green03 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 But then again, this is the site where people argued to me that Doug Jolley was a good tight end and that Brooks Bollinger should be our QB of the future. I wish I coulda seen that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 I wish I coulda seen that! Remember Fred Jetstone. I also got the 3rd degree about a year back for starting a thread saying the Jets should dump Jolley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kentucky Jet Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 more like AJ Hawk than Anthony Schlegel it won't be an issue for Jets fans, Carriker is not making it out of the top 15. he's beastly. BIT, ant possiblity that we move up for him? We do have that pick from the Skins. What is your opinion? Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drago Posted February 2, 2007 Author Share Posted February 2, 2007 Remember Fred Jetstone. I also got the 3rd degree about a year back for starting a thread saying the Jets should dump Jolley. Dump Jolley? You clearly don't know a HOF tight end when you see one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 BIT, ant possiblity that we move up for him? We do have that pick from the Skins. What is your opinion? Thanks technically speaking - yes there is a possibility if they want to trade 25 and 37 they could get as high as 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gang_green03 Posted February 2, 2007 Share Posted February 2, 2007 Remember Fred Jetstone. I also got the 3rd degree about a year back for starting a thread saying the Jets should dump Jolley. Damn I wish I came around this site earlier. That woulda got a good laugh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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