Wes Welker? Seriously?

[nyjunc]

It's in this thread. It's not my fault that you chose not to read it.

what's the post #?

[PFSIKH]

He is a GOOD WR, don't be duped by his inflated rec total. His Yards per rec is pathetic.

Yep, he caught a bunch of dumpoffs when the giant D was clearly scared to death of Moss(just like every other team).

Now you are catching on.

I hope Moss either goes elsewhere this offseason or reverts to the guy that doesn't play hard then we'll see what Wes can really do.

You have valid points.

However, to say Moss is the sole reason he did what he did is ridculous. He displayed talent in Miami. Jets' fans might not want to admit to it, but he has talent.

Plus, his role is not to have a big YPC. That is Moss' job and he does it well. Welker's role is to catch the stuff in the middle and keep drives going. He does just that.

Moss adds alot to the other players games. However, they have to be able to do the job. Stallworth?

Brady says his favorite receier is the open one. Well, Welker did his job and he did it very well.

[AFJF]

Interesting theory...if it was actually correct.

1st. quarter - 24 - 279 yds. 2 TD

2nd. quarter - 26 - 267 yds. 2 TD

3rd. quarter - 17 - 202 yds. 1 TD

4th. quarter - 29 - 256 yds. 3 TD

So statistically speaking the first two quarters are his best.

I think this is what he's talking about

[nyjunc]

Click the link below:

http://www.nfl.com/players/situationalstats?id=WEL219433

scoring margin:

0-7 pts: 32 recs, 327 yds, 10.2 avg., 1 TD

8-14 pts: 3 recs, 30 yds, 10 avg., 0 TD

15+ pts: 77 recs, 818 yds, 10.6, 7 TDs

NE played 5 close games this year, Wes had 1 TD in those 5 games. Wes scred his other 7 TDs in 5 other games, th average margin of victory in those games was 26.4

5 close games: avg margin of victory: 4.6, wes scores 1 TD

5 other games Wes scored his TDs: avg. margin of victory 26.4 and he scores 7 times.

Wes is fools gold, he has greatlybenefitted from playing w/ the best QB ofthis generation(and maybe ever) along w/ the most talented WR of this generation and on a great team that ran up the score to allow wes toput up some really good #s.

[nyjunc]

You have valid points.

However, to say Moss is the sole reason he did what he did is ridculous. He displayed talent in Miami. Jets' fans might not want to admit to it, but he has talent.

Plus, his role is not to have a big YPC. That is Moss' job and he does it well. Welker's role is to catch the stuff in the middle and keep drives going. He does just that.

Moss adds alot to the other players games. However, they have to be able to do the job. Stallworth?

Brady says his favorite receier is the open one. Well, Welker did his job and he did it very well.

I NEVER ever said Wes wasn't talented and asn't a good player. He is a GOOD player, not worth what NE paid for him but stila good player.

I think this is what he's talking about

if those are the 3s they prove nothing. Many of NE's games were over by the 2nd qtr. look at the #s I poste comparing his #s in close games to blowouts- tha will tell you alot more.

[PFSIKH]

I NEVER ever said Wes wasn't talented and asn't a good player. He is a GOOD player, not worth what NE paid for him but stila good player.

if those are the 3s they prove nothing. Many of NE's games were over by the 2nd qtr. look at the #s I poste comparing his #s in close games to blowouts- tha will tell you alot more.

He is well wroth what they paid. 3 million is a bargin. He gives what the Patriots have lacked the last couple of years since Troy Brown got real old. Someone that can find the seems and cracks and get the 5 yards when they need 4.

Go look at Randy's numbers in those big games. It is not like he was going 10 catches for 200 yards in those games. Against the Eagles and Ravens, he was contained. Wes had a big game against the Eagles as he did last night.

I am not disagreeing, but I think both players feed off each other. Randy is big and fast nad he uses it to his advantage. Wes is small, fast and elusive. He could not fill Randy's role all that well. However, his current role is a perfect match and because of that he is well worth the money.

[PatriotReign37]

Click the link below:

http://www.nfl.com/players/situationalstats?id=WEL219433

scoring margin:

0-7 pts: 32 recs, 327 yds, 10.2 avg., 1 TD

8-14 pts: 3 recs, 30 yds, 10 avg., 0 TD

15+ pts: 77 recs, 818 yds, 10.6, 7 TDs

NE played 5 close games this year, Wes had 1 TD in those 5 games. Wes scred his other 7 TDs in 5 other games, th average margin of victory in those games was 26.4

5 close games: avg margin of victory: 4.6, wes scores 1 TD

5 other games Wes scored his TDs: avg. margin of victory 26.4 and he scores 7 times.

Wes is fools gold, he has greatlybenefitted from playing w/ the best QB ofthis generation(and maybe ever) along w/ the most talented WR of this generation and on a great team that ran up the score to allow wes toput up some really good #s.

Lets break down your bogus numbers into real facts?

NE 0 - NY 0 TD #1 @ 5:17 1st Q - Score NE 7 - NY 0

NE 7 - Dal 0 TD #2 @ 2:20 1st Q - Score NE 14 - Dal 0

NE 14 - Dal 10 TD #3 @ 3:40 2nd Q - Score NE 21 - Dal 10 (According to you Welker is just padding his stats while NE is running up the score. Dallas scores 7 on its next possesion and at the half NE 21 - Dal 17.)

NE 35 - Mia 7 TD #4 @ :33 2nd Q - Score 42 - Mia 7 Garbage TD # 1

NE 42 - Mia 21 TD #5 @ 8:18 4th Q - Score 49 - Mia 21 Garbage TD # 2

NE 45 - Wash 0 TD #6 @ 9:09 4th Q - Score 52 - Wash 0 Garbage TD # 3

NE 10 - Indy 20 TD #7 @ 8:04 4th Q -Score NE 17 - Indy 20

NE 24 - Pitt 13 TD #8 @ 3:52 3rd Q - Score NE 31 - Pitt 13

Basically, Welker had 3 garbage TD's or 37.50% of his scoring came when it really didnt matter. The other 5 TD's or 62.50%, came at key points during those games.

If Welker doesnt score TD # 3 vs Dallas, NE is down 14 to 17 at the half. If Welker doesnt get TD# 8 vs Pitt, the Steeelers are only down 2 scoring drives instead of 3 including a 2 - point conversion. Welkers TD put the game out of reach for Pitt down 18 points.

[nyjunc]

He is well wroth what they paid. 3 million is a bargin. He gives what the Patriots have lacked the last couple of years since Troy Brown got real old. Someone that can find the seems and cracks and get the 5 yards when they need 4.

Go look at Randy's numbers in those big games. It is not like he was going 10 catches for 200 yards in those games. Against the Eagles and Ravens, he was contained. Wes had a big game against the Eagles as he did last night.

I am not disagreeing, but I think both players feed off each other. Randy is big and fast nad he uses it to his advantage. Wes is small, fast and elusive. He could not fill Randy's role all that well. However, his current role is a perfect match and because of that he is well worth the money.

His annual salary means very little, thye gave him $10 mil guaranteed and ttat's alot.

Wes was putting up #s simply b/c D's are so worried about Moss. They are doubling him and rolling a 3rd guy towards him. wes has grat matchups and they are exploiting them but w/o Moss he doesn't have half the #s he has.

[nyjunc]

Lets break down your bogus numbers into real facts?

NE 0 - NY 0 TD #1 @ 5:17 1st Q - Score NE 7 - NY 0

NE 7 - Dal 0 TD #2 @ 2:20 1st Q - Score NE 14 - Dal 0

NE 14 - Dal 10 TD #3 @ 3:40 2nd Q - Score NE 21 - Dal 10 (According to you Welker is just padding his stats while NE is running up the score. Dallas scores 7 on its next possesion and at the half NE 21 - Dal 17.)

NE 35 - Mia 7 TD #4 @ :33 2nd Q - Score 42 - Mia 7 Garbage TD # 1

NE 42 - Mia 21 TD #5 @ 8:18 4th Q - Score 49 - Mia 21 Garbage TD # 2

NE 45 - Wash 0 TD #6 @ 9:09 4th Q - Score 52 - Wash 0 Garbage TD # 3

NE 10 - Indy 20 TD #7 @ 8:04 4th Q -Score NE 17 - Indy 20

NE 24 - Pitt 13 TD #8 @ 3:52 3rd Q - Score NE 31 - Pitt 13

Basically, Welker had 3 garbage TD's or 37.50% of his scoring came when it really didnt matter. The other 5 TD's or 62.50%, came at key points during those games.

If Welker doesnt score TD # 3 vs Dallas, NE is down 14 to 17 at the half. If Welker doesnt get TD# 8 vs Pitt, the Steeelers are only down 2 scoring drives instead of 3 including a 2 - point conversion. Welkers TD put the game out of reach for Pitt down 18 points.

My bogus #s? they are from NFL.com and it's broken down by score and situaution. Let's go game by game:

Week 1 at NYJ: 6 recs, 61 yd, TD

0-0, 3 recs 30 yds, TD

7-0 NE 1 rec 9 yds

28-14 NE late 3, 1 rec 13 yds

31-14 4th 1rec 9 yrds

in meaningful time: 4 recs 39 yds, 1 TD

garbage time: 2 recs 22 yds

Week 2 vs. SD: 8 recs, 91 yds

0-0, 1 rec 34 yds

7-0 NE, 3 rec 32 yds

31-14 NE 4Q, 4-25

Meaningful: 4 recs 66 yds

garbage: 4 recs 25 yds

Week 3 at Buf: 6 recs 69 yds

7-3 BUF 2Q: 1 rec 13 yds

17-7 NE 3Q: 2 recs 21 yds

24-7 NE 3Q: 1 rec 26 yds

31-7 4: 2-9 yds

Meaningful: 3 recs 34 yds

garbage: 3 recs 35 yds

Week 4 at Cincy: 3 recs 22 yds

0-0, 2 rec 13 yds

10-7 NE, 1 rec 9 yds

Meaningful: 3-22

Garbage: 0

after a 1/4 of the season:

23 recs, 243 yds, 1 TD

Meaningful: 14 recs, 161yds, TD

Garbage: 9 recs, 82 yds

40% recs in garbage time, 34% of yds

[nyjunc]

Games 5-8:

Game 5 vs. Cle: 4 recs 19 yds

0-0, 1 rec 7 yds

10-0 2Q: 1 rec 7 yds

Meaningful: 2 recs 14 yds

garbage: 2 recs, 5 yds

Game 6 at Dal: 11 recs, 124 yds, 2 TDs

0-0: 2 rec, 36 yds

7-0 NE: 2-41 yds, TD

14-10 NE 2Q: 1 rec, 12 yds, TD

24-21 Dal 3Q: 2 rec 15 yds

Meaningful: 7 recs, 104 yds, 2 TDs

garbage: 4 recs, 20 yds

Game 7 at Mia: 9 recs, 138 yds, 2 TDs

0-0: 1 rec, 9 yds

7-0 NE: 1 rec 9 yds

21-7 NE 2Q: 1 rec 36 yds

Meaningful: 2 recs 18 yds

Garbage: 7 recs, 120 yds, 2 TDs

Game 8 vs Wash: 9 recs, 89 yds, TD

0-0: 1 rec 19 yds

7-0 NE: 3 recs 21 yds

Meaningful: 4 recs, 40 yds

Garbage: 5 recs, 49 yds, TD

Games 5-8:

33 recs, 370 yds, 5 TDs

Meaningful: 15 recs, 176 yards, 2 TDs

Garbage: 18 recs, 194 yds, 3 TDs

55% of recs in garbage time, 52% of yards, 60% of TDs

1st half totals:

56 recs, 613 yds, 6 TDs

Meaningful: 29 recs, 337 yds, 3 TDs

Garbage: 27 recs, 276, 3 TDs

48% of recs from garbage time, 45% of yards, 50% of TDs

[PFSIKH]

nyjunc -

How much of Moss' numbers are during blowouts when the game got out of hand?

69 of Moss' 98 catches were when the margin was 15+. To include 19 TDs.

77 of Welker's 112 catches were in the same situation. To include 7 TDs.

Pretty close to even.

What about 3rd down numbers? Wes (26-324 and 2 rushes for 25 yards) was superior to Moss (17-197). Wes' numbers on third along are equally impressive.

Which goes back to my original point, they both had clearly defined roles for the most part. Randy was largely their to stretch the field and score TDs one in the redzone. Wes' role was to keep the drives moving and he did just that.

As far as the money goes, 10 million guranteed is nothing. Wes had shown he could play in a bad situation in Miami. His skill set was exactly what the Pats needed and he provided it. If the Patriots signed him to be opposite Stallworth, the money might not have been that wisely spent. However, in his role he was perfect.

[nyjunc]

Games 9-12:

Game 9 at Indy:

close game throughout 5 recs 38 yds, TD

Game 10 at Buf: 7 recs, 78 yds

7-0 NE: 1 rec 7 yds

Meaningful: 1 rec 7 yds

garbage: 6 recs, 71 yds

Game 11 vs. Philly:

close game throughout

13 recs, 149 yds

Game 12 at Bal:

close game throughout

3 recs 18 yds

Games 9-12 totals

28 recs, 283 yds, 1 TD

Meaningful: 22 recs, 212 yds, 1 TD

Garbage: 6 recs 71 yds

Not alot of garbage time #s b/c they played 3 close ames but as you can see his overall #s decreased due to lack of garbage time moments to catch passes in.

21% of recs in garbage time, 25 % of yards

Overall, Games 1-12:

84 recs, 896 yds, 7 TDs

Meaningful: 51 recs, 549 yds, 4 TDs

Garbage: 33 recs, 347 yds, 3 TDs

36% of recs, 39% of yards, 43% of TDs

[nyjunc]

Games 13-16:

Game 13 vs. Pitt: 9 recs, 78 yds, TD

14-13 NE 2Q: 1 rec 4 yds

24-13 NE 3Q: 3-11, TD

Meaningful: 4 rec 15 yds, TD

garbage: 5 recs, 63 yds

Game 14 vs. NYJ: 3 recs, 30yds

game close throughout

Game 15 vs. Mia: 5 recs, 49 yds

0-0: 1 rec 7 yds

7-0 NE: 1-9

Meaningful: 2 recs 16 yds

Garbage: 3 recs 33 yds

Game 16 at NYG:

11-122

Games 13-16 totals:

28 recs, 279 yds, 1 TD

Meaningful: 20 recs, 183 yds, 1 TD

Garbage: 8 recs, 96 yds

29% of recs, 34% of yards

and again as the games get coser his overall #s drop.

Overall:

112 recs, 1175, w/ a poor 10.5 average, 8 TDs

Meaningful: 71 recs, 732 yds, 5 TDs

Garbage: 41 recs, 443 yds, 3 TDs

37% of recs, 38% of yards, 38% of TDs

[nyjunc]

nyjunc -

How much of Moss' numbers are during blowouts when the game got out of hand?

69 of Moss' 98 catches were when the margin was 15+. To include 19 TDs.

77 of Welker's 112 catches were in the same situation. To include 7 TDs.

Pretty close to even.

What about 3rd down numbers? Wes (26-324 and 2 rushes for 25 yards) was superior to Moss (17-197). Wes' numbers on third along are equally impressive.

Which goes back to my original point, they both had clearly defined roles for the most part. Randy was largely their to stretch the field and score TDs one in the redzone. Wes' role was to keep the drives moving and he did just that.

As far as the money goes, 10 million guranteed is nothing. Wes had shown he could play in a bad situation in Miami. His skill set was exactly what the Pats needed and he provided it. If the Patriots signed him to be opposite Stallworth, the money might not have been that wisely spent. However, in his role he was perfect.

When behind Moss had 5 TDs, Welker 1, he had almost 100 more yards when NE was behind an more 1st downs. yes Moss put up some garbage time #s as well but w/o Moss there wouldn't have been as much garbage time.

His 3rd down recs were a little higher ut his 1st down % was alot lower. When Moss caught a 3rd or 4th down pass 98% of the time he got a 1st down, whe Walker caught a 3rd or 4th down pass he got 1st downs 85% of the time and the reason elker isalays open is b/c NE has great matchups w/him b/c the defense is woried aout 3-4 guys before they worry about Wes. Wes is in the perfect spot but a majority of WRs ould put up similar #s in that ituation. You think he's better than Cotch or Coles? of course not but he put up better #s b/c of Moss and Brady.

He was signed to be oposite Stallworth as they signed him long before they acquired Moss.

[GodWearsAGrayHoodie]

Much of this discussion is stupid, because the Patriots had so much garbage time.

Brady scored 42 of his TDs in games were the margin of victory was 15+ points. Two reasons for this: most of the games had a large margin of victory & you score more TDs in game you win 56-10 than games you win 20-10.

[Gainzo]

When behind Moss had 5 TDs, Welker 1, he had almost 100 more yards when NE was behind an more 1st downs. yes Moss put up some garbage time #s as well but w/o Moss there wouldn't have been as much garbage time.

His 3rd down recs were a little higher ut his 1st down % was alot lower. When Moss caught a 3rd or 4th down pass 98% of the time he got a 1st down, whe Walker caught a 3rd or 4th down pass he got 1st downs 85% of the time and the reason elker isalays open is b/c NE has great matchups w/him b/c the defense is woried aout 3-4 guys before they worry about Wes. Wes is in the perfect spot but a majority of WRs ould put up similar #s in that ituation. You think he's better than Cotch or Coles? of course not but he put up better #s b/c of Moss and Brady.

He was signed to be oposite Stallworth as they signed him long before they acquired Moss.

Give it up! Your original argument was that he wasn't worth the 60th and 200 and something pick in the draft. The money? He has been a steal so far.

He tied for the NFL lead in receptions and was a key part of the Pats offense this year.

Have you noticed his blocking this year? On Maroney's 1st TD run on Saturday he put the LB on his back that cleared the lane to the endzone.

Do you realize you are the only person left trying to spin things about Welker?

I find this very similar to your defense of Herm.

[Thor99]

I didn't think it was possible, but this thread has gotten even more painful.

[Gainzo]

I didn't think it was possible, but this thread has gotten even more painful.

At least you cut your losses!

If madmike was still here (BTW: thanks for getting rid of him) he would still be trying to prove that his prediction was correct.

Some people have a problem admitting they were wrong.

[Gainzo]

These posts were only from the first 4 or 5 pages of this thread. I was to lazy to look up nyjunc's posts to put in the "not so good" category.

The good:

I predict he leads the team in receptions this year T-99. Also,he hasn't really had a QB to throw to him since he came into the league-until now

Wes Welker is the perfect reciever for the Patriots, he was their best pick up all offseason. He's going to be very good with Brady throwing to him.

Yes. Kid is legit and will prove it this yr in the slot in NE. Runs crisp routes and has a knack for catching the football.

He will make the pro bowl in the next 2 yrs.

Wes Welker was Miami's best receiver last season (leading one as well as if that's surprising) and is also a very good return man. He will fit absolutely PERFECT in New England's offense of slants and such making the catch 10 yards down the field and darting through the defense. He also has speed where he could beat you deep and toughness to catch balls over the middle. He will lead this team in receptions with 70 or so and will be a dynamic return man. Wes Welker IS the real deal.

Yup, Wes Welker is going to quickly become Brady's go to guy. He has sure hands and he will run through a brick wall to make a catch.

Wes Welker is going to be a thorn in the Jets' side for years. On a clutch third down, it ain't gonna be Moss or Stallworth that Brady finds.

The not so good:

He might be the most overrated of the MASSIVELY overrated group of WR's.

Welker will be a flash in the pan... nothing special...

Being the best WR on miami is like winning the special Olympics.

Wes Welker has scored ONE touchdown in the NFL

Wes Welker has never come up big in a big game

Wes Welker is a ****ing punt return man... nothing more

How can you watch a guy with 1 TD and 1100 yards in 3 years and call him a good WR?

Chad Pennington is the 2nd most accurate QB ever and the most winning JETS QB ever... its easy for me as a JETS fan to think he is great

Wes Welker... not so much

I would rather have Stuckey for a 7th than Wlker for a 2nd and a 7th

You can find wes welkers anywhere, you don't give up $10 mil guaranteed and 2nd and 7th rd picks to get him.

[nyjunc]

Give it up! Your original argument was that he wasn't worth the 60th and 200 and something pick in the draft. The money? He has been a steal so far.

He tied for the NFL lead in receptions and was a key part of the Pats offense this year.

Have you noticed his blocking this year? On Maroney's 1st TD run on Saturday he put the LB on his back that cleared the lane to the endzone.

Do you realize you are the only person left trying to spin things about Welker?

I find this very similar to your defense of Herm.

He's NOT worth the $10 mil guaranteed plus the 2nd and 7th rd picks you gave up for him. ANY PLAYER can put up those #s in that offense. Theye didn't need to waste $ and picks. He had a ton f recs this year but his Yards per were like a RB. Teams were so worried about other weapons they left him alone and he got his 9-10 yd catches which a good % of came in garbage time.

My hope is Moss goes elswhere then Wes has to step into the top spot, we'll see what happens then.

[Thai Jet]

At least you cut your losses!

If madmike was still here (BTW: thanks for getting rid of him) he would still be trying to prove that his prediction was correct.

Some people have a problem admitting they were wrong.

And some people have a problem seeing that people have different opinions. Nyjunc is stating, if you READ his posts, that IHO Welker is NOT worth the $$ and draft picks. This is why IMO people hate trolls.

[PFSIKH]

He's NOT worth the $10 mil guaranteed plus the 2nd and 7th rd picks you gave up for him. ANY PLAYER can put up those #s in that offense. Theye didn't need to waste $ and picks. He had a ton f recs this year but his Yards per were like a RB. Teams were so worried about other weapons they left him alone and he got his 9-10 yd catches which a good % of came in garbage time.

My hope is Moss goes elswhere then Wes has to step into the top spot, we'll see what happens then.

First, why jets fans keep throwing the 7th round pick out there is beyond me, but I digress.

Secon, it is only 9 million spread over 5 years.

Anywho, the second round pick was a small price to pay. Please show me a 2nd round pick that could have been drafted this year that would have been as effectie as Welker? There was none. He gave them something the Patriots have lacked. A true possession receiver. Plus, he cost less then Deoin Branch would have.

Again, you are getting lost in the YPC. That was not his role. His role was to keep the chains moving and he did that.

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/yardsaftercatchreceivers.html

Guess who led the AFC and was 2nd in the NFL in YAC? Welker. He had 200 more then Jerricho who was 5th in the AFC. 230 more then Reggie Wayne. Alot of players on both the AFC and NFC lists with a higher average per catch, but less YAC.

He was worth the money and the picks.

[BP]

These posts were only from the first 4 or 5 pages of this thread. I was to lazy to look up nyjunc's posts to put in the "not so good" category.

The Bad

LOL! more ecurb quotes!

[Alk]

First, why jets fans keep throwing the 7th round pick out there is beyond me, but I digress.

Secon, it is only 9 million spread over 5 years.

Anywho, the second round pick was a small price to pay. Please show me a 2nd round pick that could have been drafted this year that would have been as effectie as Welker? There was none. He gave them something the Patriots have lacked. A true possession receiver. Plus, he cost less then Deoin Branch would have.

Again, you are getting lost in the YPC. That was not his role. His role was to keep the chains moving and he did that.

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/yardsaftercatchreceivers.html

Guess who led the AFC and was 2nd in the NFL in YAC? Welker. He had 200 more then Jerricho who was 5th in the AFC. 230 more then Reggie Wayne. Alot of players on both the AFC and NFC lists with a higher average per catch, but less YAC.

He was worth the money and the picks.

But what about that 7th. round pick?

[nyjunc]

First, why jets fans keep throwing the 7th round pick out there is beyond me, but I digress.

Secon, it is only 9 million spread over 5 years.

Anywho, the second round pick was a small price to pay. Please show me a 2nd round pick that could have been drafted this year that would have been as effectie as Welker? There was none. He gave them something the Patriots have lacked. A true possession receiver. Plus, he cost less then Deoin Branch would have.

Again, you are getting lost in the YPC. That was not his role. His role was to keep the chains moving and he did that.

http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats/league/yardsaftercatchreceivers.html

Guess who led the AFC and was 2nd in the NFL in YAC? Welker. He had 200 more then Jerricho who was 5th in the AFC. 230 more then Reggie Wayne. Alot of players on both the AFC and NFC lists with a higher average per catch, but less YAC.

He was worth the money and the picks.

Obviously the 7th rd pick is not a big deal but I incde it b/c NE had to give up 2 picks- a high rd pick and that 7th rounder.

He averaged 10.3 w/ Miami in '06 and 10.5 this year- that's who he is, that's what he does regardles of his role.

You know what we also forgot to discuss? Remember what a great return man he was and how that was part of the reason the Pats gave up so much to get him? He was 2nd on the team in KRs and his 10 yard PR average was .6 LESS than Kevin Faulk from a year ago.

[RonnieLott#1HeadBuster42]

I predict he leads the team in receptions this year T-99. Also,he hasn't really had a QB to throw to him since he came into the league-until now

damm dude!!! nice call

[PFSIKH]

Obviously the 7th rd pick is not a big deal but I incde it b/c NE had to give up 2 picks- a high rd pick and that 7th rounder.

He averaged 10.3 w/ Miami in '06 and 10.5 this year- that's who he is, that's what he does regardles of his role.

You know what we also forgot to discuss? Remember what a great return man he was and how that was part of the reason the Pats gave up so much to get him? He was 2nd on the team in KRs and his 10 yard PR average was .6 LESS than Kevin Faulk from a year ago.

Yes, but it was not a Jets 2nd round pick. It was the 60th pick in the draft. The Patriots ended only keeping two draft picks. Their first rounder barely played. Whet is a receiver drafted inthe bottom of the second round going to do? They are not going to catch 112 passes.

BTW might want to look at the punt return leaders. Welker was 5th in the NFL. His KO average would have been middle of the pack (12th).

If he came out and had a season like Donte Stallworth, your point would be valid. Even benefitting playing with Moss, he led the NFL in catches. That for a 2nd round pick.

[Blackout]

wes welker stinks LOL

[RayLewis]

wes welker stinks LOL

Face it, Wes Welker will be an 80-catch, 1,000 yard guy as long as he stays in NE.

[Thai Jet]

Face it, Wes Welker will be an 80-catch, 1,000 yard guy as long as he stays in NE.

Face it, You're a fool.

[RayLewis]

Face it, You're a fool.

I guess you can't face the facts. Patriots won in this deal.

[nyjunc]

Yes, but it was not a Jets 2nd round pick. It was the 60th pick in the draft. The Patriots ended only keeping two draft picks. Their first rounder barely played. Whet is a receiver drafted inthe bottom of the second round going to do? They are not going to catch 112 passes.

BTW might want to look at the punt return leaders. Welker was 5th in the NFL. His KO average would have been middle of the pack (12th).

If he came out and had a season like Donte Stallworth, your point would be valid. Even benefitting playing with Moss, he led the NFL in catches. That for a 2nd round pick.

Welker was 11th among PRs who had double digit opportunities(see the link below) and Welker's average was 10, last year Kevin faulk averaged 10.6. A big reason Welker was supposedly brought in was to make the return game better. he clearly did not do that.

[PFSIKH]

Welker was 11th among PRs who had double digit opportunities(see the link below) and Welker's average was 10, last year Kevin faulk averaged 10.6. A big reason Welker was supposedly brought in was to make the return game better. he clearly did not do that.

Actually, he was 8th.

You do not pay 18 million for a punt returner. He was brought in to replace Troy Brown. He did that.

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This thread is 14 pages long and there are still Jets fans who think this kid sucks? Give me a break....Pull your head out of your asses.

You are a world class idiot if you still insist he stinks or is just a return man.

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This thread is 14 pages long and there are still Jets fans who think this kid sucks? Give me a break....Pull your head out of your asses.

You are a world class idiot if you still insist he stinks or is just a return man.

Brady has made average WR's look good before... nothing new... he sucked until he met Brady...