Nick Ferraro Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Reports are the Jets are going to fire the current coordinator and hire ex-Raider defensive coordinator, Rob Ryan. The Raiders, under Ryan, played the 4-3. Are the Jets a 4-3 team next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Reports are the Jets are going to fire the current coordinator and hire ex-Raider defensive coordinator, Rob Ryan. The Raiders, under Ryan, played the 4-3. Are the Jets a 4-3 team next season? The Raiders played a 3-4 for the past 3 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BP Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 The Raiders played a 3-4 for the past 3 years. You sure? I heard they were playing a 4-3 on the insistence of Al Davis, and that Ryan wanted to play the 3-4 but wasn't allowed to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Ferraro Posted January 3, 2008 Author Share Posted January 3, 2008 The Raiders played a 3-4 for the past 3 years. You're right if you count from the secondary forward. They went to the 4-3 two years ago. This season they started Brayton, Sapp, Warren, and Burgess across the front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 You sure? I heard they were playing a 4-3 on the insistence of Al Davis, and that Ryan wanted to play the 3-4 but wasn't allowed to. Al Davis wouldn't have any say in what the Jets play, so something tells me he plays what he wants here in NY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gang_green03 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I think his expertise is in the 3-4 but he played the 4-3 this year because he had no choice. It seems like they weren't sure what they wanted to do because sometimes they brought in 4-3 players and other times 3-4 players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 You're right if you count from the secondary forward. They went to the 4-3 two years ago. This season they started Brayton, Sapp, Warren, and Burgess across the front. Well I defer. I did not know they switched. I did know Ryan hs always been a 3-4 guy, which I'm sure he'll be here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 No. I think hes mainly a 3-4 guy. Maybe once in a while we'll go to the 4-3 to mix things up but im pretty sure we wont be seeing too much of the 4-2, except maybe in the nickel packages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K2C Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 For the love of anything please switch back! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 For the love of anything please switch back! Why? What makes you think we'd be THAT much better in a 4-3?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K2C Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Why? What makes you think we'd be THAT much better in a 4-3?? The players we have, specifically our front 7 are designed for a 4-3 not a 3-4..not like that is news to anyone. Create different packages for a 34 every once in a while to confuse the O..otherwise stay 43. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 The players we have, specifically our front 7 are designed for a 4-3 not a 3-4..not like that is news to anyone. Create different packages for a 34 every once in a while to confuse the O..otherwise stay 43. Yeah, its news to me. How is our front 7 better with a 4-3? Drob? Sucks either way. Ellis-slightly better 4-3 Bthomas slightly better 3-4 Harris- did very well in the 3-4 this year Coleman - Better in 3-4 Hobson - Better in 3-4 Barton - Who Cares? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K2C Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Yeah, its news to me. How is our front 7 better with a 4-3? Drob? Sucks either way. Ellis-slightly better 4-3 Bthomas slightly better 3-4 Harris- did very well in the 3-4 this year Coleman - Better in 3-4 Hobson - Better in 3-4 Barton - Who Cares? D-Rob, Pouha would work fine in the 4-3..D-Rob showed promise towards the end of the 4-3 era. Vilma is a beast in the 4-3, as was Ellis. RE needs to be drafted this year, move Coleman to OLB with Thomas. In case you've missed it..we get 0 pressure on QB's in the 3-4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 D-Rob, Pouha would work fine in the 4-3..D-Rob showed promise towards the end of the 4-3 era. Vilma is a beast in the 4-3, as was Ellis. RE needs to be drafted this year, move Coleman to OLB with Thomas. In case you've missed it..we get 0 pressure on QB's in the 3-4. Ellis isnt exactly a beast. Hes had 1 good year (7 sacks I believe) on his contract year. other then that he ws never much more then a 2-3 sack per season guy. The thing is we have no pass rushers on the front 7, so it doesnt really matter what scheme we're in, which is why I want to draft Gholston. I actually think we're better off in the 3-4. Oh, and good luck moving Coleman ( 6'4 295 lbs) to OLB, lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 The Raiders were a 4-3 in 2006, the only season in which they've had a good defense since the Rod Woodson/Romanowski days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 If he's anything like his brother or father expect all kinds of fronts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 You sure? I heard they were playing a 4-3 on the insistence of Al Davis, and that Ryan wanted to play the 3-4 but wasn't allowed to. If this is true BP it looks to me like we'll stick with the 3-4 I would think. I sure wish we had a NT here in order to make it work. Is he bringing along a NT Oakland to help us out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 For the love of anything please switch back! I agree since we DON'T have the proper people to make the 3-4 work. I think D'Rob would flourish as a DT in a 4-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Yeah, its news to me. How is our front 7 better with a 4-3? Drob? Sucks either way. Ellis-slightly better 4-3 Bthomas slightly better 3-4 Harris- did very well in the 3-4 this year Coleman - Better in 3-4 Hobson - Better in 3-4 Barton - Who Cares? How do you know this? Based on what knowledge? I think D'Rob would do great as a pure DT in a 4-3 scheme. Interesting also how you left Vilma out of your equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 How do you know this? Based on what knowledge? I think D'Rob would do great as a pure DT in a 4-3 scheme. Interesting also how you left Vilma out of your equation. If we switch to a 4-3 then where would you put Vilma??? OLB?? Make him the starter at MLB and move Harris to the outside??? My point is switching to the 4-3 would have one of those 2 playing out of position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 If we switch to a 4-3 then where would you put Vilma??? OLB?? Make him the starter at MLB and move Harris to the outside??? My point is switching to the 4-3 would have one of those 2 playing out of position. I hear you IJ and you make a very good point. I've always have been a 4-3 guy. I just think it generates a hell of a lot more pressure on the QB and that's how you win FB games. Look at how Brady picked apart every team in the league this year, he had all day to throw. Being a 4-3 guy I never would have drafted Harris in the 1st place. With the Jets draft the last 2 years I think they're pretty rigid about staying with the 3-4. In that case Vilma would almost have to go, sadly. His talents are wasted here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreenman Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 How do you know this? Based on what knowledge? I think D'Rob would do great as a pure DT in a 4-3 scheme. Interesting also how you left Vilma out of your equation. Harris>Vilma IMO, meaning Vilma is not much more than trade bait at this point. And I know that Drob sucks at both because since we drafted him in 03, hes played 3 years in the 4-3 and 2 in the 3-4, he's yet to earn his salary, or even come close to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I hear you IJ and you make a very good point. I've always have been a 4-3 guy. I just think it generates a hell of a lot more pressure on the QB and that's how you win FB games. Look at how Brady picked apart every team in the league this year, he had all day to throw. Being a 4-3 guy I never would have drafted Harris in the 1st place. With the Jets draft the last 2 years I think they're pretty rigid about staying with the 3-4. In that case Vilma would almost have to go, sadly. His talents are wasted here. What I like about getting Rob Ryan is that hopefully he can produce a lot of different looks defensively just like his brother Rex and father Buddy Ryan have become famous for. Remember the pressure the Ravens D (Co-ordinated by Rex Ryan) was able to get onto Brady?? Obviously we don't have the same talent the Ravens do defensively but hopefully getting Ryan can at least mean some more complex line ups and more blitzing. We do have some talent defensively which I felt Sutton really failed to utilize (especially Rhodes). I'm not sure where Vilma will fit into this D if he does stay, that's why I think he'll be gone too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBrick Wall Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 How do you know this? Based on what knowledge? I think D'Rob would do great as a pure DT in a 4-3 scheme. Interesting also how you left Vilma out of your equation. D-Rob hasn't exactly flourished as a 4-3 DT in the past...what makes you think he'll do so this time around? We'll still be at the same spot in having to probably move Vilma as Harris is going to have to play MLB. Thomas has at least been better in the 3-4 although he wasn't this year. If the Jets get a NT, pass-rushing OLB/DE tweener, and an ILB to compliment Harris this offseason they could be a hell of a 3-4 defense next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K2C Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Ellis isnt exactly a beast. Hes had 1 good year (7 sacks I believe) on his contract year. other then that he ws never much more then a 2-3 sack per season guy. The thing is we have no pass rushers on the front 7, so it doesnt really matter what scheme we're in, which is why I want to draft Gholston. I actually think we're better off in the 3-4. Oh, and good luck moving Coleman ( 6'4 295 lbs) to OLB, lol. He was used as a hybrid DE/OLB on Parcells D..why not here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 D-Rob hasn't exactly flourished as a 4-3 DT in the past...what makes you think he'll do so this time around? We'll still be at the same spot in having to probably move Vilma as Harris is going to have to play MLB. Thomas has at least been better in the 3-4 although he wasn't this year. If the Jets get a NT, pass-rushing OLB/DE tweener, and an ILB to compliment Harris this offseason they could be a hell of a 3-4 defense next year. Yeah but that's a hell of a lotta IF'S there Brick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai Jet Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 What I like about getting Rob Ryan is that hopefully he can produce a lot of different looks defensively just like his brother Rex and father Buddy Ryan have become famous for. Remember the pressure the Ravens D (Co-ordinated by Rex Ryan) was able to get onto Brady?? Obviously we don't have the same talent the Ravens do defensively but hopefully getting Ryan can at least mean some more complex line ups and more blitzing. We do have some talent defensively which I felt Sutton really failed to utilize (especially Rhodes). I'm not sure where Vilma will fit into this D if he does stay, that's why I think he'll be gone too. I was just watchin ESPN and they mentioned Rob Ryan probably getting canned this week and coming to the Jets. Let us pray. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 If we switch to a 4-3 then where would you put Vilma??? OLB?? Make him the starter at MLB and move Harris to the outside??? My point is switching to the 4-3 would have one of those 2 playing out of position. No! No! No! You can't move Harris outside! That's where Coleman is playing, remember? D-Rob hasn't exactly flourished as a 4-3 DT in the past...what makes you think he'll do so this time around? We'll still be at the same spot in having to probably move Vilma as Harris is going to have to play MLB. Thomas has at least been better in the 3-4 although he wasn't this year. If the Jets get a NT, pass-rushing OLB/DE tweener, and an ILB to compliment Harris this offseason they could be a hell of a 3-4 defense next year. So, if they fill the two most important positions and add another starter they could be a hell of a 3-4? Don't forget to add the other cb and s where rejects play on a weekly basis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjetsjetsjets Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 He was used as a hybrid DE/OLB on Parcells D..why not here? no...he didn't. He played de in the 3-4. in the 4-3 he played dt. much different than olb. he would be exclusively a defensive tackle in the 4-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjetsjetsjets Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 I hear you IJ and you make a very good point. I've always have been a 4-3 guy. I just think it generates a hell of a lot more pressure on the QB and that's how you win FB games. Look at how Brady picked apart every team in the league this year, he had all day to throw. Being a 4-3 guy I never would have drafted Harris in the 1st place. With the Jets draft the last 2 years I think they're pretty rigid about staying with the 3-4. In that case Vilma would almost have to go, sadly. His talents are wasted here. The 3-4, with the proper players creates alot more pressure on the quarterback than the 4-3. I love the 3-4 for that very reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 The 3-4, with the proper players creates alot more pressure on the quarterback than the 4-3. I love the 3-4 for that very reason. Its hard to run outside against the 3-4, too, because the OLBs' primary responsibility is to 'seal the edge,' which Hobson and Thomas are both good at and which Vilma would completely suck at. Thomas and Hobson are adequate 3-4 OLBs but not great (though Thomas showed flashes last year). The D-line must clog running lanes, be disruptive and engage linemen so that the ILBs and SS can clean up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 No! No! No! You can't move Harris outside! That's where Coleman is playing, remember? LOL, I know, that's why I'm saying we shouldn't move him out of position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 Its hard to run outside against the 3-4, too, because the OLBs' primary responsibility is to 'seal the edge,' which Hobson and Thomas are both good at and which Vilma would completely suck at. Thomas and Hobson are adequate 3-4 OLBs but not great (though Thomas showed flashes last year). The D-line must clog running lanes, be disruptive and engage linemen so that the ILBs and SS can clean up. A well executed 3-4 D > A well executed 4-3 D IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 A well executed 3-4 D > A well executed 4-3 D IMO I agree. I still have complete faith in Mangini as a football strategist. The guy knows what he's doing. My fear is that he is the Cleveland Browns version of BB - ie, too arrogant for his own good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted January 3, 2008 Share Posted January 3, 2008 You sure? I heard they were playing a 4-3 on the insistence of Al Davis, and that Ryan wanted to play the 3-4 but wasn't allowed to. they have been a 4-3 team BP as the 3-4 was scrapped because Oakland wasn't suited for the 3-4 with their personell (sound familiar?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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