Pennington Better Than Favre...

[Ghost]

GET YOUR CHAD FLIP FLOPS WHILE THEY'RE HOT!!! BY WEEK 3 THE HONEYMOON WILL BE OVER!!!

[BP]

Bowens didn't come from a 1-15 team. The team slipped to 1-15 after they lost Bowens to the Jets. And the Dolphins' defense was top-5 in both points and yards. I hardly think that unit was the one responsible for the 2006 team's ineptitude. It is slightly more likely that scoring the 3rd-fewest points in the league caused it.

The other two (assuming they even make the final roster) are 3rd string. Chad Pennington is likely to be your starter.

Now if we picked up Cleo Lemon and gave him over $11M to be the starting QB for two years, then you'd have me.

Now cheer up & stop being so gloomy because your defensive ranking dropped from #5 to #30 after you lost David Bowens. That's ok. I'm sure it will improve without Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas holding the team back.

Bump for crashingjet

[CobraVerde]

Discuss...

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/09/chad-better-than-brett-on-the-long-ball/

[Mangold's Brother]

not true

[StillerPaul]

Bowens didn't come from a 1-15 team. The team slipped to 1-15 after they lost Bowens to the Jets. And the Dolphins' defense was top-5 in both points and yards. I hardly think that unit was the one responsible for the 2006 team's ineptitude. It is slightly more likely that scoring the 3rd-fewest points in the league caused it.

The other two (assuming they even make the final roster) are 3rd string. Chad Pennington is likely to be your starter.

Now if we picked up Cleo Lemon and gave him over $11M to be the starting QB for two years, then you'd have me.

Now cheer up & stop being so gloomy because your defensive ranking dropped from #5 to #30 after you lost David Bowens. That's ok. I'm sure it will improve without Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas holding the team back.

This guy must be JN's Troll destroyer.

[Jade Green]

Just because Pennington on the Jets OWNED the dolphins, does not make him Hall of Fame material.

[DMaynard]

This guy must be JN's Troll destroyer.

Sperm is The Cleaner.

[crashingjet]

I still can't believe this guy.

I can't believe you stole my Avatar you pillow bitter.

[Sperm Edwards]

This guy must be JN's Troll destroyer.

Nah. He's a pretty funny guy. And I'm perfectly aware that crashingjet knows Pennington blows & this is the only way for him to enjoy this acquisition at all.

I can only imagine all the broken furniture in his home when he got the news. The less-publicized, yet still devastating collateral damage of Hurricane Pennington.

[Jade Green]

I can't believe you stole my Avatar you pillow bitter.

Even e-curb uses that one now, what a Joke you turned out to be.

Chad my hero...::wub

[Ghost]

I can't believe you stole my Avatar you pillow bitter.

Not my fault YOUR QB blows.

[Jade Green]

Nah. He's a pretty funny guy. And I'm perfectly aware that crashingjet knows Pennington blows & this is the only way for him to enjoy this acquisition at all.

I can only imagine all the broken furniture in his home when he got the news. The less-publicized, yet still devastating collateral damage of Hurricane Pennington.

[crashingjet]

Bowens didn't come from a 1-15 team. The team slipped to 1-15 after they lost Bowens to the Jets. And the Dolphins' defense was top-5 in both points and yards. I hardly think that unit was the one responsible for the 2006 team's ineptitude. It is slightly more likely that scoring the 3rd-fewest points in the league caused it.

The other two (assuming they even make the final roster) are 3rd string. Chad Pennington is likely to be your starter.

Now if we picked up Cleo Lemon and gave him over $11M to be the starting QB for two years, then you'd have me.

Now cheer up & stop being so gloomy because your defensive ranking dropped from #5 to #30 after you lost David Bowens. That's ok. I'm sure it will improve without Jason Taylor and Zach Thomas holding the team back.

It's laughable to claim that the loss of a backup d-lineman caused the Dolphins to go 1-15. It took the leagues worst coach and coaching staff to make that happen, not the loss of David Bowens.

[Ghost]

It's laughable to claim that the loss of a backup d-lineman caused the Dolphins to go 1-15. It took the leagues worst coach and coaching staff to make that happen, not the loss of David Bowens.

You don't know squat, just like your team who only wins 1 game a year.

[DMaynard]

It's laughable to claim that the loss of a backup d-lineman caused the Dolphins to go 1-15. It took the leagues worst coach and coaching staff to make that happen, not the loss of David Bowens.

Ah, yes, it was all the coaching staff's fault. And now, with this incredible staff, you will not even miss Taylor and Thomas. Right?

[crashingjet]

Even e-curb uses that one now, what a Joke you turned out to be.

Chad my hero...::wub

HaHa. So you're saying you didn't think I was joke before the QB change? I doubt that. Fact is I'm doing my best to support my team. I merely posted an article making an interesting comparison of the 2 QB's and how one was statistically better at a specific throw, That's all. I know, just like everybody else that the Jets are a lock to win the Superbowl now that you have a 39 year old QB who has no grasp of the playbook and zero chemistry with the offense he's leading.

[BP]

It's laughable to claim that the loss of a backup d-lineman caused the Dolphins to go 1-15. It took the leagues worst coach and coaching staff to make that happen, not the loss of David Bowens.

You're back pedaling awfully fast.

[crashingjet]

Ah, yes, it was all the coaching staff's fault. And now, with this incredible staff, you will not even miss Taylor and Thomas. Right?

Sure, works for me.

[Jade Green]

HaHa. So you're saying you didn't think I was joke before the QB change? I doubt that. Fact is I'm doing my best to support my team. I merely posted an article making an interesting comparison of the 2 QB's and how one was statistically better at a specific throw, That's all. I know, just like everybody else that the Jets are a lock to win the Superbowl now that you have a 39 year old QB who has no grasp of the playbook and zero chemistry with the offense he's leading.

I thought you were a "mild irritant" before, but using an avatar of the very same guy you have been slamming is a lame way to try and support your team.

The article you posted is ridiculous, and the fact that you are trying to defend it, when last week you were ripping Chad makes you laughable.

So get it straight that's how you became a JOKE!!! in my book.

[serphnx]

Here are the career INT records, going 20 down the list:

1. Brett Favre (38) 288 1991-2007 2TM 2. George Blanda+ 277 1949-1975 4TM 3. John Hadl 268 1962-1977 4TM 4. Vinny Testaverde (44) 267 1987-2007 7TM 5. Fran Tarkenton+ 266 1961-1978 2TM 6. Norm Snead 257 1961-1976 5TM 7. Johnny Unitas+ 253 1956-1973 2TM 8. Dan Marino+ 252 1983-1999 mia 9. Y.A. Tittle+ 248 1948-1964 3TM 10. Jim Hart 247 1966-1984 2TM 11. Bobby Layne+ 243 1948-1962 4TM 12. Dan Fouts+ 242 1973-1987 sdg 13. Warren Moon+ 233 1984-2000 4TM 14. John Elway+ 226 1983-1998 den 15. John Brodie 224 1957-1973 sfo 16. Ken Stabler 222 1970-1984 3TM 17. Joe Namath+ 220 1965-1977 2TM

Babe Parilli 220 1952-1969 5TM 19. Terry Bradshaw+ 210 1970-1983 pit 20. Joe Ferguson 209 1973-1990 4TM

Now here are the TD totals:

1. Brett Favre (38) 442 1991-2007 2TM 2. Dan Marino+ 420 1983-1999 mia 3. Fran Tarkenton+ 342 1961-1978 2TM 4. Peyton Manning (31) 306 1998-2007 clt 5. John Elway+ 300 1983-1998 den 6. Warren Moon+ 291 1984-2000 4TM 7. Johnny Unitas+ 290 1956-1973 2TM 8. Vinny Testaverde (44) 275 1987-2007 7TM 9. Joe Montana+ 273 1979-1994 2TM 10. Dave Krieg 261 1980-1998 6TM 11. Sonny Jurgensen+ 255 1957-1974 2TM 12. Dan Fouts+ 254 1973-1987 sdg 13. Drew Bledsoe 251 1993-2006 3TM 14. Boomer Esiason 247 1984-1997 3TM 15. John Hadl 244 1962-1977 4TM 16. Y.A. Tittle+ 242 1948-1964 3TM 17. Len Dawson+ 239 1957-1975 3TM 18. Jim Kelly+ 237 1986-1996 buf 19. George Blanda+ 236 1949-1975 4TM 20. Steve Young+ 232 1985-1999 2TM

Most QBs are a LOT closer to Favre's INT total than they are to his TD total. 20 people are within 80 INTs of Favre, but only one person is within 100 TDs of Favre.

Dag nabbit, this didn't paste well. Whatever, I don't care. Screw you people.

[Sperm Edwards]

It's laughable to claim that the loss of a backup d-lineman caused the Dolphins to go 1-15. It took the leagues worst coach and coaching staff to make that happen, not the loss of David Bowens.

Hey, I only report the facts here.

2006 Dolphins defense with David Bowens = #5 in the NFL

2007 Dolphins defense without David Bowens = #30 in the NFL

Therefore, David Bowens is clearly the best defensive player in NFL history & still wasn't even good enough to start for the Jets.

Now for Chad Pennington:

# of seasons the Jets were below .500 from 1997 until 2002 (when Chad got the job): zero

# of seasons the Jets were below .500 since they gave the job to to Chad 6 yrs ago: three

Therefore Chad Pennington single-handedly caused the demise of the New York Jets. The Dolphins are starting out already as the worst team in the NFL without Chad Pennington. After 1 season with him at the helm, there is at least a 75% chance that Goodell will simply kick the Dolphins out of the NFL for the embarrassment and shame they bring upon the other 31 teams.

[Jade Green]

Here are the career INT records, going 20 down the list:

1. Brett Favre (38) 288 1991-2007 2TM 2. George Blanda+ 277 1949-1975 4TM 3. John Hadl 268 1962-1977 4TM 4. Vinny Testaverde (44) 267 1987-2007 7TM 5. Fran Tarkenton+ 266 1961-1978 2TM 6. Norm Snead 257 1961-1976 5TM 7. Johnny Unitas+ 253 1956-1973 2TM 8. Dan Marino+ 252 1983-1999 mia 9. Y.A. Tittle+ 248 1948-1964 3TM 10. Jim Hart 247 1966-1984 2TM 11. Bobby Layne+ 243 1948-1962 4TM 12. Dan Fouts+ 242 1973-1987 sdg 13. Warren Moon+ 233 1984-2000 4TM 14. John Elway+ 226 1983-1998 den 15. John Brodie 224 1957-1973 sfo 16. Ken Stabler 222 1970-1984 3TM 17. Joe Namath+ 220 1965-1977 2TM

Babe Parilli 220 1952-1969 5TM 19. Terry Bradshaw+ 210 1970-1983 pit 20. Joe Ferguson 209 1973-1990 4TM

Now here are the TD totals:

1. Brett Favre (38) 442 1991-2007 2TM 2. Dan Marino+ 420 1983-1999 mia 3. Fran Tarkenton+ 342 1961-1978 2TM 4. Peyton Manning (31) 306 1998-2007 clt 5. John Elway+ 300 1983-1998 den 6. Warren Moon+ 291 1984-2000 4TM 7. Johnny Unitas+ 290 1956-1973 2TM 8. Vinny Testaverde (44) 275 1987-2007 7TM 9. Joe Montana+ 273 1979-1994 2TM 10. Dave Krieg 261 1980-1998 6TM 11. Sonny Jurgensen+ 255 1957-1974 2TM 12. Dan Fouts+ 254 1973-1987 sdg 13. Drew Bledsoe 251 1993-2006 3TM 14. Boomer Esiason 247 1984-1997 3TM 15. John Hadl 244 1962-1977 4TM 16. Y.A. Tittle+ 242 1948-1964 3TM 17. Len Dawson+ 239 1957-1975 3TM 18. Jim Kelly+ 237 1986-1996 buf 19. George Blanda+ 236 1949-1975 4TM 20. Steve Young+ 232 1985-1999 2TM

Most QBs are a LOT closer to Favre's INT total than they are to his TD total. 20 people are within 80 INTs of Favre, but only one person is within 100 TDs of Favre.

Dag nabbit, this didn't paste well. Whatever, I don't care. Screw you people.

Great post serphnx, look at the names on those lists, certainly nothing to be ashamed of being grouped in with some of those guys.

[crashingjet]

Hey, I only report the facts here.

2006 Dolphins defense with David Bowens = #5 in the NFL

2007 Dolphins defense without David Bowens = #30 in the NFL

Therefore, David Bowens is clearly the best defensive player in NFL history & still wasn't even good enough to start for the Jets.

Now for Chad Pennington:

# of seasons the Jets were below .500 from 1997 until 2002 (when Chad got the job): zero

# of seasons the Jets were below .500 since they gave the job to to Chad 6 yrs ago: three

Therefore Chad Pennington single-handedly caused the demise of the New York Jets. The Dolphins are starting out already as the worst team in the NFL without Chad Pennington. After 1 season with him at the helm, there is at least a 75% chance that Goodell will simply kick the Dolphins out of the NFL for the embarrassment and shame they bring upon the other 31 teams.

Come on now, we know that will never happen. I mean really, if it hasn't happend to the Jets yet, it would never happen to Miami, home of "Perfectville"

2006 We had Saban controlling the defense. As much as we in Miami loathe him, he was quite good at defense. He's as much of a reason for Taylor getting DPOY as Taylor was.

2007 due to the new regime not having a clue about proper conditioning we suffered many injuries including starting safties (we went through 6 last year), CB, middle linebacker, outside linebacker etc... There were a myriad of reasons for our crappy defense in 2007, none of which had anything to do with the release of David Bowens.

[Sperm Edwards]

Come on now, we know that will never happen. I mean really, if it hasn't happend to the Jets yet, it would never happen to Miami, home of "Perfectville"

2006 We had Saban controlling the defense. As much as we in Miami loathe him, he was quite good at defense. He's as much of a reason for Taylor getting DPOY as Taylor was.

2007 due to the new regime not having a clue about proper conditioning we suffered many injuries including starting safties (we went through 6 last year), CB, middle linebacker, outside linebacker etc... There were a myriad of reasons for our crappy defense in 2007, none of which had anything to do with the release of David Bowens.

The Dolphins didn't cut Bowens. He was a free agent who knew his immense talents were wasted in Miami. So he went on to GREENer pastures. After he left, you see the result, which is that the Jets quadrupled the Dolphins win-total the following season. Coincidence? I think not.

[Sivy]

You want to play the numbers game?

How about that Favre holds virtually every NFL passing record. Chad has the highest completion percentage. Understandable since 90% of his throws are dumpoffs.

Favre's Packers have the best winning percentage in the entire NFL since 1992.

Favre has engineered 40 4th QTR comeback victories. How many has Chad had? 4?

Favre has won the NFL MVP 3 times. Chad? Zero.

Favre has won one SB and brought his team to another. Chad? Zero.

And finally, the Packers would have done anything to keep Favre out of their division, even their conference. Were the Jets worried that Chad might go to the Dolphins?

hahahahahahahahahaahahahaha

thats because favre has played for 50 years.....duh.

[Ghost]

Come on now, we know that will never happen. I mean really, if it hasn't happend to the Jets yet, it would never happen to Miami, home of "Perfectville"

2006 We had Saban controlling the defense. As much as we in Miami loathe him, he was quite good at defense. He's as much of a reason for Taylor getting DPOY as Taylor was.

2007 due to the new regime not having a clue about proper conditioning we suffered many injuries including starting safties (we went through 6 last year), CB, middle linebacker, outside linebacker etc... There were a myriad of reasons for our crappy defense in 2007, none of which had anything to do with the release of David Bowens.

You've been owned!!

[ghsxc]

Now that Chad is with the Dolphins, does that worry anybody ? He can manage a game well at times. He knows our offense like the back of his hand, and our defense. I remember Gruden with the Bucs and what he did to the Raiders. With the Jets schedule the first four weeks they need to win that game.... I worry that they could slip up.

[greeniemeanie]

I have issues with the posts here. Favre has been a much better QB than Chad. True. However, to knock Chad is simply unethical. Chad was more of a Jet than Favre. Chad is the quintessential pro, so is Favre. The problem lies in the dolfag fan's idiotic posturing, and most of the responses. I, for one, will cheer Chad on, except when he plays the Jets but especially when he plays the pats.

It is possible to show the same class that Chad did while he was here. WE, as Jet's fans should be better than these stupid arguments and take the moral high road. Chad did, and he is a Dolphin. So if WE don't, what does that say about us?

[Sperm Edwards]

I have issues with the posts here. Favre has been a much better QB than Chad. True. However, to knock Chad is simply unethical. Chad was more of a Jet than Favre. Chad is the quintessential pro, so is Favre. The problem lies in the dolfag fan's idiotic posturing, and most of the responses. I, for one, will cheer Chad on, except when he plays the Jets but especially when he plays the pats.

It is possible to show the same class that Chad did while he was here. WE, as Jet's fans should be better than these stupid arguments and take the moral high road. Chad did, and he is a Dolphin. So if WE don't, what does that say about us?

Browning Nagle, our consolation prize in 1991, was more of a Jet than Brett Favre. Big deal. He still sucked.

[Thai Jet]

Whoa don't shoot the messenger. I didn't write the article, I just figured because it had something to do with the Jets that the people on this board would like to read it.

We were all wondering when you'd show your Dolfag face. You're too funny.

[joebabyny]

Discuss...

http://www.profootballtalk.com/2008/08/09/chad-better-than-brett-on-the-long-ball/

[joebabyny]

Pennington is not better than Favre, but he's better than the tools on this board gave him credit for. He's going to help that sad team in Miami.

Bobby Bouche would be an improvement over half of the weak-@ss soft roster on that team.

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[joebabyny]

All it takes is one or two injuries...

you wanna talk about injuries in a thread where you are calling out favre and saying penny is better?

[bobby2times]

Pennington rides the coattails of his 2002 season, just like Testaverde did with whatever year that he had that great season. After that he pretty much had the support of above averages defenses and running game. Cant wait till he floats one to Ginn Jr and get him killed.

[Thor99]

It is possible to show the same class that Chad did while he was here. WE, as Jet's fans should be better than these stupid arguments and take the moral high road. Chad did, and he is a Dolphin. So if WE don't, what does that say about us?

Nope. It is completely impossible.