Scott Dierking Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Frankie Rodriguez The best set-up man in NY baseball, so far this season: Bobby Parnell If Parnell were on the Yankees, his hype would be "Joba"esque. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Well, who bites first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeebers Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 SD, you Yankee hater you. In all honesty, Bobby Parnell has been great, but he isn't as dominating as Joba was, at least when he was the 8th inning guy anyway. The kid has been simply amazing, he can get it up to triple digits and he quietly developing a very nice slider. But if you are comparing the 2 bullpens, there really is no comparison. The Mets arguably have the best pen in all of baseball, the Yankees have one of the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Rodriguez is always great until the games get a little bigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeebers Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Rodriguez is always great until the games get a little bigger. Not quite, Frankie won a world series as a rookie with LAA. I don't think pressure gets to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 SD is on my ignore list. How gay is this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jbro22 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 SD is on my ignore list. How gay is this thread? Its not as gay as you'd think it is. But you can clearly tell he's trying to bait yankee fans into a time consuming argument. That said, I'd take Rivera 40 years from now walker and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 That said, I'd take Rivera 40 years from now walker and all. And you would go 0-162. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Not quite, Frankie won a world series as a rookie with LAA. I don't think pressure gets to him. as a SETUP MAN. The pressure is just a tad different as a closer. postseason: His era as a setup man in '02: 1.92 ERA His era as a closer: 4.84 ERA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Yankees > Mets close thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 SD is on my ignore list. How gay is this thread? As gay as someone responding in it, who supposedly can't read it. or, as gay as someone who openly admitted a year ago "to only watching a few games of baseball a year", but proceeding to argue vehemently on baseball points in this forum. Youdecide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 Its not as gay as you'd think it is. But you can clearly tell he's trying to bait yankee fans into a time consuming argument. That said, I'd take Rivera 40 years from now walker and all. There really isn't much of an argument, the numbers speak for themself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisaynon Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 still obsessed with the Yanks huh? Get some new material dude. You're quite the insecure one for what, a 30 year old? 40? 50? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 still obsessed with the Yanks huh? Get some new material dude. You're quite the insecure one for what, a 30 year old? 40? 50? Are you arguing the point, or arguing nothing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Are you arguing the point, or arguing nothing? What was the point behind this thread? Numbers wise, on June 1st, Krod has better numbers than Mariano. Okay. Marco Scutaro has better numbers than Jeter, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 What was the point behind this thread? Numbers wise, on June 1st, Krod has better numbers than Mariano. Okay. Marco Scutaro has better numbers than Jeter, too. Yup. Not making it out to be any thing other than that. Everyone else seems to be treating it like it is spitting on the Koran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Yup. Not making it out to be any thing other than that. Everyone else seems to be treating it like it is spitting on the Koran Slow day at the office? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Great for the Mets, to have the best closer in NY 2 months or so into the season. I'm ok with it, we've had the best closer in NY for about...11 years or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 Slow day at the office? Yup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 I'm ok with it, we've had the best closer in NY for about...11 years or so. Babe Ruth is the most prodigious home run hitter ever, also. But that don't help you win today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Babe Ruth is the most prodigious home run hitter ever, also. But that don't help you win today. I'm just stating a fact like you are yourself bub. I also mentioned it's the first two months of the season. Tip of the cap to Frankie and I'd like to see him keep it up and see if Mo improves. If you can gloat over two months superiority in the closer dept I think it's OK to gloat about 11 years of a HoF career. Unfortunately, I am not a Mets hater so as much as you want to bait me into an argument, think about it objectively. You're gloating over two months... and using the "just saying" defense. Oh also, as Zeebers pointed out and quite accurately so, our bull pen is horse crap... that's like comparing the offenses. One teams is clearly better (and here comes the Mets is better). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 I'm just stating a fact like you are yourself bub. I also mentioned it's the first two months of the season. Tip of the cap to Frankie and I'd like to see him keep it up and see if Mo improves. If you can gloat over two months superiority in the closer dept I think it's OK to gloat about 11 years of a HoF career. Unfortunately, I am not a Mets hater so as much as you want to bait me into an argument, think about it objectively. You're gloating over two months... and using the "just saying" defense. Oh also, as Zeebers pointed out and quite accurately so, our bull pen is horse crap... that's like comparing the offenses. One teams is clearly better (and here comes the Mets is better). Where was the gloat on my part? The Yankees play in a band box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Where was the gloat on my part? The Yankees play in a band box And the Mets play in a pitchers park. Objectivity. Not like I don't know our 80 something homers isn't due to our new park. Here's an interesting question, switch the pitchers teams and do you still think K-rod is putting up the #'s he is? The gloat is the thread my friend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 And the Mets play in a pitchers park. Objectivity. Not like I don't know our 80 something homers isn't due to our new park. Here's an interesting question, switch the pitchers teams and do you still think K-rod is putting up the #'s he is? The gloat is the thread my friend. The gloat, is implied by you. Everything is what you read into it. I stated a simple fact. You have made it like it is some big deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicious89x Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 The gloat, is implied by you. Everything is what you read into it. I stated a simple fact. You have made it like it is some big deal. Wait... so it's not a fact that the Yankees have had the best closer in NY up until the past 2 months then? Good for you and your team. Enjoy it. You're the one that needs to throw in the jabs after people make comments. Blah blah Babe Ruth Blah blah band box etc. Like I said, 2 months in, K-rod is better, enjoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Right now -Rod has the better stats. And the Mets pen is better than the Yankee pen, overall. However, as long as he pitches, Mo is the best ever. But, let's see where these guys are pitching in September and October. And who is doing what. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 Wait... so it's not a fact that the Yankees have had the best closer in NY up until the past 2 months then? Good for you and your team. Enjoy it. You're the one that needs to throw in the jabs after people make comments. Blah blah Babe Ruth Blah blah band box etc. Like I said, 2 months in, K-rod is better, enjoy. Well, I would take Randy Myers and Tug McGraw and Jesse Orosco over some years, but recently that has been the case. What jabs? Just counterpunching to sensitivities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 Right now -Rod has the better stats. And the Mets pen is better than the Yankee pen, overall. However, as long as he pitches, Mo is the best ever. But, let's see where these guys are pitching in September and October. And who is doing what. Agreed. Best ever for this era, no doubt. Hard to compare eras of closers. The game is vastly different. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 Agreed. Best ever for this era, no doubt. Hard to compare eras of closers. The game is vastly different. This is correct, but..... While Eck had some unreal seasons with Oakland as a closer. While Lidge was fantastic last season. (There are many other examples.) But, Mo has done it since 1996, through now. That is a streak of longevity, including an unreal number of pressure October post-season games, of excellence. No one has matched this, and few have even approached Mo's accomplishments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 This is correct, but..... While Eck had some unreal seasons with Oakland as a closer. While Lidge was fantastic last season. (There are many other examples.) But, Mo has done it since 1996, through now. That is a streak of longevity, including an unreal number of pressure October post-season games, of excellence. No one has matched this, and few have even approached Mo's accomplishments. But I look at what the Goose Gossages did, the Tug McGraws, and look at it in awe. Undeniably, Mo is the best of this era, which started with Eck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbn007 Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 But I look at what the Goose Gossages did, the Tug McGraws, and look at it in awe. Undeniably, Mo is the best of this era, which started with Eck. See, Goose did not dominate as long as MO has. I mean really dominate, like MO. Now however, your argument of different eras comes to play. Goose regularly pitched 2 innings at a shot. He came in with men on base, and blew the ball past everyone. (I recall a game in 1978 or so, against Seattle. I believe there were bases loaded, no one out. Goose came in, and threw 9 pitches. 3 Ks. No one had a chance. Rizutto was going crazy on the radio, and I was going crazy watching that game. The hitters had no chance, and I mean no chance. There were no speed guns then, but I would bet he approached 100 MPH that day. But for 1 inning, of any game, with a 1 run lead in the 9th, MO is the guy I want there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 See, Goose did not dominate as long as MO has. I mean really dominate, like MO. Now however, your argument of different eras comes to play. Goose regularly pitched 2 innings at a shot. He came in with men on base, and blew the ball past everyone. (I recall a game in 1978 or so, against Seattle. I believe there were bases loaded, no one out. Goose came in, and threw 9 pitches. 3 Ks. No one had a chance. Rizutto was going crazy on the radio, and I was going crazy watching that game. The hitters had no chance, and I mean no chance. There were no speed guns then, but I would bet he approached 100 MPH that day. But for 1 inning, of any game, with a 1 run lead in the 9th, MO is the guy I want there. You would have to believe that the innings. and the situations that Gossage and the like came into, shortened their effectiveness in terms of an enduring career. Heck, what did they pitch some years, 140 innings? You don't see that now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisaynon Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 I was at that Mets-Red Sox game where Johan was pitching and Parnel was throwing heat. That was some sick stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted June 1, 2009 Author Share Posted June 1, 2009 I was at that Mets-Red Sox game where Johan was pitching and Parnel was throwing heat. That was some sick stuff. It will be interesting to see if the Mets still consider him as a starter, or eventual closer, or a chip in a trade. Any trade talk will include him in the discussions, I am sure. he may make Eddie Kunz available now, though I have no data on how Kunz is doing this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted June 1, 2009 Share Posted June 1, 2009 METS FANS ARE OBSESSED WITH YANKEE FANS!!@!@! scott = hypocrite Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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