CrazyCarl40 Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=6108540 Best wishes for a full recovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Sad. Always liked Lucas & still do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visajets Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I posted a story months ago about his problems and the pain he endured daily. Pain killers are very easy to get addicted to. Good luck Ray hope you beat this. I have his authentic NYJETS jersey. The real deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Former NFL players have rough physical conditions to battle through in later life- one of the big issues in this contract in health coverage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
visajets Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 Former NFL players have rough physical conditions to battle through in later life- one of the big issues in this contract in health coverage Agreed but not saving for a rainy day or not investing wisely is just flat out stupid with the money they make. Health care after the game is over shouldnt be an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 I knew like last year (09) that something had to be up with Ray when I saw him getting skinnier and skinnier...best to Ray-he's a true Jet and we all appreciate him in what he did in uniform and what he does on SNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 .So many people with chronic pain issues wind up hooked on the pain meds, even after their malady has been cured. I had back surgery last august and refused any painkillers for that reason. The back is now better and I I'm not hooked on codeine--well worth the two months of post-surgery pain I had to endure. Getting hooked is extremely easy. Even a bad toothache can be the catalyst to lifelong painkiller addiction. As far as I'm concerned, those meds are way overprescribed. If you can live with the pain, live with it. Good to see Lucas embracing recovery publicly. Might help others struggling with this far-too-common issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted February 10, 2011 Share Posted February 10, 2011 That's the problem with "manning up" during your playing days. Overextending yourself beyond your abilities is how to get yourself injured for life. Cutler was ruled out and it made sense, but people gave him sh*t. But at least Cutler will be walking around 15 years from now and not be crippled. I wonder if Lucas killed him for not playing. I would honestly consider that karma if he did. A lot of times it makes sense to just take yourself out before really injuring yourself. Look at Muhammad Ali. My god that was one tough SOB. The will he had to just keep fighting is probably unmatched. And now look at the guy, he is absolutely destroyed. He would have been far better off just going down and staying down in a lot of his fights. I wish people would just think about that before they go after these guys. I've always felt it's a coach's or trainer's job to summarily rule a guy out, and then take sh*t from that guy and everyone else. That's your biggest duty, that's why you make money while the athlete has to perform. You are pretty much there to protect them. That guy always has to act like he wants to play and is angry at you for taking him out, and you gotta know that is part of the perception and role you have to act out. Even if the guy knows he is finished and absolutely does not want to play another second, he can't admit to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spjets Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 i'd take pain killers too if i had to deal with Adam Schein... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 i'd take pain killers too if i had to deal with Adam Schein... that's a good point-kind of like an ice pick in your ear with that nasally voice next to you every week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 That's the problem with "manning up" during your playing days. Overextending yourself beyond your abilities is how to get yourself injured for life. Cutler was ruled out and it made sense, but people gave him sh*t. But at least Cutler will be walking around 15 years from now and not be crippled. I wonder if Lucas killed him for not playing. I would honestly consider that karma if he did. A lot of times it makes sense to just take yourself out before really injuring yourself. Look at Muhammad Ali. My god that was one tough SOB. The will he had to just keep fighting is probably unmatched. And now look at the guy, he is absolutely destroyed. He would have been far better off just going down and staying down in a lot of his fights. I wish people would just think about that before they go after these guys. I've always felt it's a coach's or trainer's job to summarily rule a guy out, and then take sh*t from that guy and everyone else. That's your biggest duty, that's why you make money while the athlete has to perform. You are pretty much there to protect them. That guy always has to act like he wants to play and is angry at you for taking him out, and you gotta know that is part of the perception and role you have to act out. Even if the guy knows he is finished and absolutely does not want to play another second, he can't admit to it. This is a myth. To say Muhammad Ali is the toughest, most strong-willed fighter of all time is to be ignorant of boxing history and of Parkinsons. In which fights specifically should he have "gone down and stayed down"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 This is a myth. To say Muhammad Ali is the toughest, most strong-willed fighter of all time is to be ignorant of boxing history and of Parkinsons. In which fights specifically should he have "gone down and stayed down"? I've actually only seen two of his fights, so I'm going off what other people mention about him. He was actually before my time. He seemed to take a huge beating against Foreman though. And the Liston fight was pretty good too. Those are the two I've seen, the rest I've read about and heard people talk about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obrien2Toon Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Great guy, lives around the corner from me. Looks like he finally got the back issue fixed, now just needs to kick the addiction that was caused by the back problems. Best of luck to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 I've actually only seen two of his fights, so I'm going off what other people mention about him. He was actually before my time. He seemed to take a huge beating against Foreman though. And the Liston fight was pretty good too. Those are the two I've seen, the rest I've read about and heard people talk about. Foreman never really hit him cleanly, which makes all the difference in the world. If he had, that fight would have turned out differently. You are right though, Ali was incredibly tough. Watch the "Battle of Broken Jaw" against Ken Norton or The Thrilla in Manila to see Ali's true toughness. I've never seen a tougher fighter than Arturo Gatti and probably will never again. Otherworldly, he was. About Ali's disease or "syndrome": There have been literally hundreds of fighters that have taken more punishment over longer periods of time throughout history, yet Ali's case is rare. You can go back and find fighters that would have 200 and sometimes 300 fights on their resumes, fighting every few weeks and not find very many with Ali's neurological damage. Can it be blamed on boxing? Yeah, but I'm sure there are other factors involved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 11, 2011 Share Posted February 11, 2011 Foreman never really hit him cleanly, which makes all the difference in the world. If he had, that fight would have turned out differently. You are right though, Ali was incredibly tough. Watch the "Battle of Broken Jaw" against Ken Norton or The Thrilla in Manila to see Ali's true toughness. I've never seen a tougher fighter than Arturo Gatti and probably will never again. Otherworldly, he was. About Ali's disease or "syndrome": There have been literally hundreds of fighters that have taken more punishment over longer periods of time throughout history, yet Ali's case is rare. You can go back and find fighters that would have 200 and sometimes 300 fights on their resumes, fighting every few weeks and not find very many with Ali's neurological damage. Can it be blamed on boxing? Yeah, but I'm sure there are other factors involved. This is true. There is no definitive link between Ali's profession and Parkinson's Disease; only guesses and assumptions because it afflicted the most famous boxer ever. He may (and probably does) have other neurological damage from boxing, but it isn't the reason he has Parkinson's. There is no higher incidence of Parkinson's among boxers than in the general population. The incidence among ex-football players would also probably be 50x that of the normal population as well, and it just isn't. Everyone would know that if you box or play other violent sports there's a good chance you're going to get Parkinson's Disease, just like if you smoke there's a damn good chance you're going to get cancer unless something else kills you first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 he a crackhead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 doesn't he have a neck issue ? hope he recovers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 .So many people with chronic pain issues wind up hooked on the pain meds, even after their malady has been cured. I had back surgery last august and refused any painkillers for that reason. The back is now better and I I'm not hooked on codeine--well worth the two months of post-surgery pain I had to endure. Getting hooked is extremely easy. Even a bad toothache can be the catalyst to lifelong painkiller addiction. As far as I'm concerned, those meds are way overprescribed. If you can live with the pain, live with it. Good to see Lucas embracing recovery publicly. Might help others struggling with this far-too-common issue. Just watched an interview on PBS with a doctor and some anti-drug advocate from Columbia who was going on and on about kids getting their hands on weed and alcohol and how it was destroying the world. The interviewer stops them both by asking about the massive amount of prescription drug abuse. The doctor said it was essentially a myth (of course) and the anti-drug guy went back and pointed the finger at the dangers if marijuana. As for myself, every time I go to my doctor (who sucks) he's trying to push a new pill on me. Whenever I request a medication produced by a pharm company other than the one he's clearly in bed with (AstraZeneca), he scoffs and gives me the AstraZeneca equivalent. It's a billion-dollar racket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Just watched an interview on PBS with a doctor and some anti-drug advocate from Columbia who was going on and on about kids getting their hands on weed and alcohol and how it was destroying the world. The interviewer stops them both by asking about the massive amount of prescription drug abuse. The doctor said it was essentially a myth (of course) and the anti-drug guy went back and pointed the finger at the dangers if marijuana. As for myself, every time I go to my doctor (who sucks) he's trying to push a new pill on me. Whenever I request a medication produced by a pharm company other than the one he's clearly in bed with (AstraZeneca), he scoffs and gives me the AstraZeneca equivalent. It's a billion-dollar racket. no doubt. the docs go out to lunch with and play golf with the drug reps, and we're supposed to belive they prescribe meds only based on effectiveness. my doc is cool, and he knows I used to work for bxbs, so he only prescribes me generics we have had cool convos' he said a lot of western docs feel like if they don't refer a patient to a specialist or prescribe a med of somekind, the patient will feel like they didn't get anything for their money, and on a certain level they are in business and don't want to lose patients to docs that just write scripts. I'd love for a doc to tell me all i needed was rest and to lose some weight or whatever prescription drugs are much worse for kids because of the dangers of combining them with alcohol added to the ignorance the kids have of those effects in the first place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybroome Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Just watched an interview on PBS with a doctor and some anti-drug advocate from Columbia who was going on and on about kids getting their hands on weed and alcohol and how it was destroying the world. Really? If that was true the world would have been destroyed decades ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted February 12, 2011 Share Posted February 12, 2011 Really? If that was true the world would have been destroyed decades ago. Decades? Try millennia. It is only in the current era, and mostly in the super restrictive US that psychoactive drugs are hard-line banned. Opium is a drug that was universally used throughout history. Opium is heroine. For thousands of years many civilizations THRIVED with opium openly used even for the young. In Europe kids drink WINE with dinner. The US is just absurd. We restrict freedom in as many ways as we can think of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Whenever I request a medication produced by a pharm company other than the one he's clearly in bed with (AstraZeneca), he scoffs and gives me the AstraZeneca equivalent. It's a billion-dollar racket. Sucks that they don't have an erectile dysfunction drug, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 Sucks that they don't have an erectile dysfunction drug, huh? "if you have an erection that lasts for more than 4 hours call a doctor" hell my wife would be calling God Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaumerJet Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 "if you have an erection that lasts for more than 4 hours call a doctor" hell my wife would be calling God You know I'm kinda glad none of us asked Greg Buttle about Ray's condition yesterday. This is his own demon to fight - he does not need anyone else standing there & pointing at him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted February 13, 2011 Share Posted February 13, 2011 You know I'm kinda glad none of us asked Greg Buttle about Ray's condition yesterday. This is his own demon to fight - he does not need anyone else standing there & pointing at him. yea Baum and it's not like he's some degenerate drug user who got high just to get high-he has legitimate pain issues that brought him to where he now sits. I know the difference. I have two guys who tried calling me over 20 times yesterday probably trying to borrow money from me to buy pills-pissed my wife off bigtime too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 Ray's struggle is kind of personal to me. I have looked at him as an example of whether I deal with the pain I constantly live with in both my neck and lower back or if I go the surgical route. I have 3 ruptured discs in my neck and one in my lower back along with a condition called spinal stenosis, which is basically a very narrow spinal column that has very little room to move if any discs get herniated. I had surgery a year ago to shave away some of the lateral bulges that are interfering with my nerves, but every doctor I've seen said I must have the discs removed withing the next 5 years or I could risk suffering some serious permanent effects. As it stands I can no longer feel most of my left hand and have a pretty substantial loss of strength in it. The pain that led me to opt for the surgery I had was unbearable. It was absolutely miserable and literally made me want to leap out of my own body at times. You just can't get away from it no matter what you do. It hurts to lay down, it hurts to stand up, it hurts to sit.... It changes you. You become miserable with yourself and with those around you. You want to be alone, but then you resent people when they actually do leave you alone. Pain medication makes the pain bearable at times, but it honestly puts you in a dark place after a while. At least it did for me when I would have to take it. I hated the stuff. I hated the fact that I had to choose between unbearable pain or a loss of your own senses under the control of the medication. My last bout that led me to surgery in my neck was about 2 years after my previous bout of pain and sciatica down my leg from my lower back. I live my life knowing that at any given time my neck or lower back, or both, is going to erupt into a whole world of pain with little or no rhyme or reason as to what triggers it. And to be honest from what I've read about Ray Lucas' struggles mine are a drop in the bucket compared to his. I'm sad for his struggles, but in no way does it diminish how much respect I have for the way he has battled through what he's gone through. I remember seeing that huge scar on the front of his neck, one that I'm inevitably going to have as well, right after he had his surgery while he was on the post game show. He could barely turn his head yet there he was doing his job with passion and enthusiasm ev though I'm sure he was in a tremendous amount of pain. When I saw that I knew I will be able to get through it as well when it's my turn. In a very strange twist of fate Ray Lucas is a role model to me. I send nothing but prayers his way and hope and know he'll win this battle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 What sucks too Mike is that over the last couple of years the world has lost a pretty damn good up-and-coming musician. I know that's the least of your worries and all but still, I enjoyed listening and seeing the stuff you would post here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted February 14, 2011 Share Posted February 14, 2011 What sucks too Mike is that over the last couple of years the world has lost a pretty damn good up-and-coming musician. I know that's the least of your worries and all but still, I enjoyed listening and seeing the stuff you would post here. Thanks Jim, unfortunately the left hand doesn't do what my brain tells it to. At least not nearly as well as the brain wishes it to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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