Latinlawyer Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 When I thought of Haloti Ngata vs. Colin Baxter, I though of Mike Tyson vs. Marvis Frazier....did you guys see that fight? Mike Tyson ate him up alive. What are your thoughts of that upcoming matchup? Ngata v. Baxter - The Bore in Baltimore???!?!?? Maybe the Jets should look into picking up a veteran, I don't forsee Baxter holding up too long against Ngata.... LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
will Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 I think they play Ngata at DE. Anyway, double teams with RB support are typically the way teams handle mismatches. I guess double TE sets and quick drops, too. The Jets will play small ball v the Ravens unless they want to replicate the Titans approach (The Ravens were down two starting CBs this week). Schotty never does what I expect him to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 I think Baxter is young with a lot of upside and he did great on 4-1/2 plays, and he just needs more coaching and he can be a beast, turn the corner, I'm not ready to give up on him he's just inexperienced. You may alter the previous sentence by replacing the name "Baxter" with "Sanchez" "Wilson" "Ducasse" or "McKnight", thereby eliminating the need to post anything critical about Jets players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 I would be more intrested in Wayne Hunter against Pop Warner league kid thread. Ngata will have a good day and Sanchez won't! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Stop whining I would be more intrested in Wayne Hunter against Pop Warner league kid thread. Ngata will have a good day and Sanchez won't! Your whining is getting out of control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 When I thought of Haloti Ngata vs. Colin Baxter, I though of Mike Tyson vs. Marvis Frazier....did you guys see that fight? Mike Tyson ate him up alive. What are your thoughts of that upcoming matchup? Ngata v. Baxter - The Bore in Baltimore???!?!?? Maybe the Jets should look into picking up a veteran, I don't forsee Baxter holding up too long against Ngata.... LL Stop whining Your whining is getting out of control. Huh ? Sorry to disturb your cozy bubble. All is well and there is nothing to worry about. Carry on! P.S: Let us know how Hunter will suddenly improve and Baxter will hold up Ngata. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thor99 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Is it okay to worry about Baxter vs. The Raiders first? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Ngata stands noi chance.....BTW, did he sign a long term deal yet? Really hoping he wants to play for Rex! ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 mangold will play silly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 i agree that you people are right to be concerned about Sanchez life expediency with the way Hunter is playing. What's really weird here is that the guy played really well in the playoffs last season. He's an 8 year vet. He shouldn't be embarrassing himself this badly. Hopefully he'll snap back into it. There probably isn't anyone out there any better. Vlad's not ready. he better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 We play the Ravens this weekend? I need to change my hotel reservation..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Ever see that episode of Oz where Adebisi took on Pancamo and Schabetta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackout Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 ravens are the NEXT week buddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Worry about Oakland first. Second, is Ngata still playing the nose? I thought they moved him to DE and started using Mt. Cody at NT. Could be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Schotty never does what I expect him to do. Really? Because he quite often does what everyone in the stadium and at home watching the game expect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Rex will program the Terminator to obliterate Haloti.. incidentally, I wonder if some of our running woes can be attributed to the loss of T-Rich.. I haven't been watching closely enough but is Term doing well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Rex will program the Terminator to obliterate Haloti.. incidentally, I wonder if some of our running woes can be attributed to the loss of T-Rich.. I haven't been watching closely enough but is Term doing well? Honestly, I barely see him in the games. It seems like we've been running out of more single back sets than using the lead blocker. As far as this thread is concerned. I have man crush on Ngata...that is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Honestly, I barely see him in the games. It seems like we've been running out of more single back sets than using the lead blocker. As far as this thread is concerned. I have man crush on Ngata...that is all. He started the season injured. I suspect that's why his reps have been limited. He touched the ball last week, so I suspect we'll start seeing more of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 He started the season injured. I suspect that's why his reps have been limited. He touched the ball last week, so I suspect we'll start seeing more of him Yes, it was a great play call. 1st and 25, Connor in the flats. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Ngata is an awesome player but let's not overrate what he does. He plugs the run and makes like 4 sacks a year. I was a huge Ngata fan when he was coming out in 2006 but it's not like he's Warren Sapp. He's a very very good DT but the Jets don't have to win that matchup to win the game. Last year it was Ngata vs Matt Slauson and the Jets lost by a point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Ngata is an awesome player but let's not overrate what he does. He plugs the run and makes like 4 sacks a year. I was a huge Ngata fan when he was coming out in 2006 but it's not like he's Warren Sapp. He's a very very good DT but the Jets don't have to win that matchup to win the game. Last year it was Ngata vs Matt Slauson and the Jets lost by a point. Yeah, he's only the best defensive player in the league...no biggie. lol In all seriousness though, we need 14 pts to win the game. Flacco sucks. Shut down Ray Rice and that offense is doodoo. He's scared to throw the ball over 10 yards. Our defense should smoke them out easily. That Steelers game was anomaly that happened in week 1. Oakland first, which wont be easy...but we should be able to shut down both offenses very easy and it all starts with shutting down the RB, which we typically do well. Boldin cant get open on Revis and neither can anyone the Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Is it okay to worry about Baxter vs. The Raiders first? Sure we can think of Seymour! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rick34125 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 let's see how he fares against seymour and kelly first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Yeah, he's only the best defensive player in the league...no biggie. Darrelle Revis is the best defensive player in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Latinlawyer Posted September 20, 2011 Author Share Posted September 20, 2011 Sorry, Its just that when I saw that Mangold would be out two to three weeks my first thought turned to Ngata. I did not mean to circumvent the Raiders, its just that to me, Ngata represents the toughest challenge to Baxter in the next three weeks. LL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Darrelle Revis is the best defensive player in the league. Maybe, let me as you this, if you start from scratch building a defense today, you'd take Revis before Ngata? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boozer76 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Maybe, let me as you this, if you start from scratch building a defense today, you'd take Revis before Ngata? Everyday. Revis completely shuts down an opponent's #1 passing threat. No individual defensive player has that ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Everyday. Revis completely shuts down an opponent's #1 passing threat. No individual defensive player has that ability. I wouldnt...but I live by the build inside out philosophy. I bet the Eagles wish they did that...their defense sucks and they have 3 supposed shut down corners. You win an lose gamses at the LOS. Shutting down a WR is nice, but their are other players to defend. Like Jason Witten and Miles Austin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 I wouldnt...but I live by the build inside out philosophy. I bet the Eagles wish they did that...their defense sucks and they have 3 supposed shut down corners. You win an lose gamses at the LOS. Shutting down a WR is nice, but their are other players to defend. Like Jason Witten and Miles Austin. Rex Ryan buys in to the outside in philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Rex Ryan buys in to the outside in philosophy. I'd be curious to know if he truly does. I mean, he inherited Revis and healthy Kris Jenkins who Rex loved and we all thought we couldnt win without. I mean, he definitely took Wilson late last year, but I doubt he'd have passed on JPP if he was there...and this year, first 2 picks were trenches players. I'm not sure I buy that about him. This was guy who came into the league as a defensive line coach, who believs in the ground and pound and who wants to send a lot of exotic blitzes. While I get that a great corner allows him to that, a great NT allows you to actually get to the QB. I'd be interested to know his stance there...wonder if he talks about type of stuff in his book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 While I get that a great corner allows him to that, a great NT allows you to actually get to the QB. a great NT helps you more on 3rd and 1 than 3rd and 9. Revis is an instant double coverage in 1 man it creates all sorts of opportunities in the secondary. every week that goes by it's more a passing league than a running league... that's why Revis is the best, he's a beast in the pass game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 a great NT helps you more on 3rd and 1 than 3rd and 9. Revis is an instant double coverage in 1 man it creates all sorts of opportunities in the secondary. every week that goes by it's more a passing league than a running league... that's why Revis is the best, he's a beast in the pass game. So you're taking Revis over Ngata? And Ngata is more than just a NT, you know that. And to my point above, while its great that Revis shuts down 1 guy, there's typically 4 others that can catch as well. And guys like Witten and Miles destroy you to use the Cowboy game as an example. Ngata does more for a D IMO, he allows you to hit the Qb...a lot...all the while making it near impossible to run on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 So you're taking Revis over Ngata? And Ngata is more than just a NT, you know that. yes and yes. Like I said I was a huge Ngata fan coming out of Oregon. But he's not really as impactful as Revis. put it another way I'd take Revis over Ware too. Demarcus Ware is a beastly pass rusher... but they can chip and double Ware or throw it quick or run a screen or something... there's nothing another team can do about Revis, except not challenge him. And to my point above, while its great that Revis shuts down 1 guy, there's typically 4 others that can catch as well. And guys like Witten and Miles destroy you to use the Cowboy game as an example. the Boys are strong... most teams dont have 3 top targets on offense. Most teams have 1 guy that QB loves to throw to in a tight situation. Like the Houston Texans or the Detroit Lions for example. Revis takes that security blanket away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 yes and yes. Like I said I was a huge Ngata fan coming out of Oregon. But he's not really as impactful as Revis. This is where I disagree. Someone whos in the trenches is more impactful then a CB because hes disrupting every play, not just pass plays. put it another way I'd take Revis over Ware too. Demarcus Ware is a beastly pass rusher... but they can chip and double Ware or throw it quick or run a screen or something... there's nothing another team can do about Revis, except not challenge him. Again, disagree. And there's no right or wrong answer. I'm just curious what fans value more. To me its a guy who impacts both run plays and pass plays. That said guys like Ngata, Wilfork, Ware, Matthews...are guys I'd probably take over Revis. Not to say they are better, thats just how I'd build a team. the Boys are strong... most teams dont have 3 top targets on offense. Most teams have 1 guy that QB loves to throw to in a tight situation. Like the Houston Texans or the Detroit Lions for example. Revis takes that security blanket away. Meh, every team has a 2nd and third option. You use Houston...Owens, Jones are very solid passing options on a power running team. Detriot has CJ, Burrleson, Best out of the backfield and Pettigrew and Schefler...lots of passing options. Most teams have more than 1 options these days...come'on bro. Hell TE's are virtually WR's nowadays ala Keller. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Meh, every team has a 2nd and third option. You use Houston...Owens, Jones are very solid passing options on a power running team. Detriot has CJ, Burrleson, Best out of the backfield and Pettigrew and Schefler...lots of passing options. Most teams have more than 1 options these days...come'on bro. Hell TE's are virtually WR's nowadays ala Keller. you don't want to go to your 3rd option with the game on the line. there's a reason why James Jones gets paid a certain amount and Andre Johnson gets paid a different amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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