Richardson vs. Revis

[T0mShane]

Tom is a brilliant man. Bench Sanchez for 2 players who couldnt make a roster this season. And bench your only offensive playmaker. That's the key to success.

Holmes won four playoff games by himself, you know.

[JiFtheOracle]

Yeah, I'm not sweating it.

 

^^^^ true fan  

[slats]

52 turnovers say you're wrong.

[bit]Sanchez's turnovers don't make Brunnel, McElroy, or Tebow any better.[/bit]

[bitonti]

[bit]Sanchez's turnovers don't make Brunnel, McElroy, or Tebow any better.[/bit]

 

it doesn't tho. Btw if Mark had a strip sack at the 5 or a dumb overthrow int to ivory the stadium would have gone sh*t-house.

[slats]

it doesn't tho. Btw if Mark had a strip sack at the 5 or a dumb overthrow int to ivory the stadium would have gone sh*t-house.

I was agreeing with you and taking a jab at you all at once. I agree with this, too.

[Scott Dierking]

[bit]Sanchez's turnovers don't make Brunnel, McElroy, or Tebow any better.[/bit]

Nor does not creating any set of competition for that player that orchestrated the 52 turnovers

[Klecko73isGod]

it doesn't tho. Btw if Mark had a strip sack at the 5 or a dumb overthrow int to ivory the stadium would have gone sh*t-house.

 

Yeah, I wonder why the crowd was more forgiving to a rookie making his first start than they would have been to a five year vet. 

[T0mShane]

[bit]Sanchez's turnovers don't make Brunnel, McElroy, or Tebow any better.[/bit]

I thought the conventional wisdom was that if Rex had a merely serviceable quarterback, he would have won two titles by now?

[JiFtheOracle]

it doesn't tho. Btw if Mark had a strip sack at the 5 or a dumb overthrow int to ivory the stadium would have gone sh*t-house.

 

Probably because its his 5th season of it and not his first game...but thats just a guess. 

[Bleedin Green]

it doesn't tho. Btw if Mark had a strip sack at the 5 or a dumb overthrow int to ivory the stadium would have gone sh*t-house.

 

Absolutely true.  Needless to say, rookies in their first ever game aren't held to the same standards as fifth-year pros.  Particularly not fifth-year pros who have been making those same rookie-like mistakes non-stop for the entirety of their career.  That's exactly how it should be.

 

Bottom line, every single QB in the league makes those kinds of mistakes on occasion, rookies or otherwise.  The problem is when a QB proves that those mistakes are the norm for him, and Sanchez is chief amongst the QBs who have done exactly that.  Here's hoping Geno doesn't follow that same trend.

[slats]

I thought the conventional wisdom was that if Rex had a merely serviceable quarterback, he would have won two titles by now?

Tough to quantify, being that he's never had one.

The GM who brought in that bunch of clowns is gone, the new GM drafted a QB in the second round and now he's starting. We'll see how that goes.

[JiFtheOracle]

Tough to quantify, being that he's never had one.

The GM who brought in that bunch of clowns is gone, the new GM drafted a QB in the second round and now he's starting. We'll see how that goes.

 

And oddly enough, that lame duck HC just keeps winning.

 

Weird. 

[whodeawhodat]

Wonder what we are going to spend taht $40M next on.  Anyone have a list of projected FAs????

[Matt39]

Wonder what we are going to spend taht $40M next on.  Anyone have a list of projected FAs????

 

Cutler, McFadden, Ben Tate, MJD, Hakeem Nicks, Pitta

[SenorGato]

52 turnovers say you're wrong.

 

Already said but for the hell of it:

 

Sanchez having alot of turnovers does not make Brunell, McElroy, Tebow, or any other QB on the roster better.

 

Unbalanced is a better word than inefficient for the whole payroll thing. Agreed that this time around, especially if Geno is real, the payroll will be built around a more traditional unbalanced payroll. I didn't mind so much when the DBs had it, it just so happened to coincide with a sh*tty QB. 

[SenorGato]

Cutler, McFadden, Ben Tate, MJD, Hakeem Nicks, Pitta

 

I like Nicks and you forgot Jimmy Graham. I want to keep pretending and hoping the Saints don't have room to sign him. 

[Matt39]

I like Nicks and you forgot Jimmy Graham. I want to keep pretending and hoping the Saints don't have room to sign him. 

 

If Graham becomes available I write him an enormous check.

 

Also gotta figure the Jets lock up Mo this offseason(they better).

[SenorGato]

No, the goal is having enough money to pay for all the things you need. The best corner in history is not worth 6 times a Pro-Bowl DT. Especially when you can take the additional 13.5 million you are not paying Revis and use that to get a RB, WR and maybe even a LB. 

 

If the Jets take that extra money and next year are paying four good to very good starters what they were paying Revis they will be a lot closer to being a SB contender than they would be if they just had Revis. 

 

This isn't rocket science. Stud CBs are nice to have, but you only need good ones to win a Super Bowl.

 

Once Richardson becomes a Pro Bowl DT he's proooooobably not going to be costing less than 3 million. 

 

This isn't rocket science in the sense that the Jets didn't miss out on the Super Bowl because their money was spent on a superstar QB. Already wrote it but the problem with those Jet teams was a young man named Sanchez. 

[Scott Dierking]

And oddly enough, that lame duck HC just keeps winning.

 

Weird. 

He is not a lame duck, he has another full year on his contract-which is why he is still here.

[Klecko73isGod]

Once Richardson becomes a Pro Bowl DT he's proooooobably not going to be costing less than 3 million. 

 

This isn't rocket science in the sense that the Jets didn't miss out on the Super Bowl because their money was spent on a superstar QB. Already wrote it but the problem with those Jet teams was a young man named Sanchez. 

 

When was the last time you ever heard anyone say, "if we only had that really great cornerback, we'd be a championship team?"

[SenorGato]

When was the last time you ever heard anyone say, "if we only had that really great cornerback, we'd be a championship team?"

 

Who cares? The Jets were in a position to get to and win a SB twice with a great cornerback and barely non-horrific QB play. The CB and what was paid to him was not the issue. 

[Scott Dierking]

When was the last time you ever heard anyone say, "if we only had that really great cornerback, we'd be a championship team?"

The Cowboys and Niners, when they acquired Neon Deion.

[Sperm Edwards]

Once Richardson becomes a Pro Bowl DT he's proooooobably not going to be costing less than 3 million. 

 

This isn't rocket science in the sense that the Jets didn't miss out on the Super Bowl because their money was spent on a superstar QB. Already wrote it but the problem with those Jet teams was a young man named Sanchez. 

 

That will be at the end of his 4 year contract.  At that point it's likely that Revis will not be worth half the $16M he's getting today.

 

For the 4 years, starting with this one, Richardson at $2.5M + $13.5M on other(s) >>> Revis for $16M.

 

Also keep in mind that Revis wouldn't cost the Jets $16M.  We're eating all the extra this year but for the next few years a $16M/year deal would cost the Jets $19M/year on the cap.  People seem to be forgetting that.

 

So it's more like: accept the medicine this year that the Sanchez (and other) contracts caused, then for the next 3 years after that:

 

CHOICE A = Revis

 

OR

 

CHOICE B = Richardson + $16.5M in cap room.

 

No brainer.

[#27TheDominator]

When was the last time you ever heard anyone say, "if we only had that really great cornerback, we'd be a championship team?"

 

i think Philly was saying it when they got Asomugha and before that when they got Samuel.  I think the Falcolns may have done it as well, though they didn't give up much.

 

Absolutely true.  Needless to say, rookies in their first ever game aren't held to the same standards as fifth-year pros.  Particularly not fifth-year pros who have been making those same rookie-like mistakes non-stop for the entirety of their career.  That's exactly how it should be.

 

Bottom line, every single QB in the league makes those kinds of mistakes on occasion, rookies or otherwise.  The problem is when a QB proves that those mistakes are the norm for him, and Sanchez is chief amongst the QBs who have done exactly that.  Here's hoping Geno doesn't follow that same trend.

 

That is the joy of Mornhinweg to me.  Playing close to the vest is nice, but then when you are down or make a mistake you don't have much margin to recover.  Eli throws passes to D linemen all the time, he just has the talent and offense to recover.  Sanchez probably wasn't making up for his mistakes anyway, but whatever offense Sparano was running sure wasn't going to give him the opportunity.

[SenorGato]

I thought the conventional wisdom was that if Rex had a merely serviceable quarterback, he would have won two titles by now?

 

What's your point? 

[SenorGato]

That will be at the end of his 4 year contract.  At that point it's likely that Revis will not be worth half the $16M he's getting today.

 

For the 4 years, starting with this one, Richardson at $2.5M + $13.5M on other(s) >>> Revis for $16M.

 

Also keep in mind that Revis wouldn't cost the Jets $16M.  We're eating all the extra this year but for the next few years a $16M/year deal would cost the Jets $19M/year on the cap.  People seem to be forgetting that.

 

So it's more like: accept the medicine this year that the Sanchez (and other) contracts caused, then for the next 3 years after that:

 

CHOICE A = Revis

 

OR

 

CHOICE B = Richardson + $16.5M in cap room.

 

No brainer.

 

Which part - being a Pro Bowler or the money thing?

 

SNAP!

[jetsjetsjetss]

i think the real take away is

 

Richardson > Tavon austin

[bitonti]

i think the real take away is

 

Richardson > Tavon austin

 

sure and maybe even Richardson > Milliner

[jbone]

sure and maybe even Richardson > Milliner

Judging by what I've seen so far, which is a very limited sample, that certainly seems to be the case. Perhaps its going to take Milliner a few weeks to settle in due to the missed time during camp. 

[SMC]

Revis is a great player, but not worth the money as mentioned.

I thought it was interesting strategy by Jets in the game. Holmes shouldnt have played but it looked like he was put in to draw Revis. That way the passing game would open up for other receivers as it did Winslow. Revis and his $16m per ultimately doesnt win you games because his presence is now easily countered.

[bitonti]

Revis is a great player, but not worth the money as mentioned.

 

 

people talk about "worth the money" here's a question is Cro worth the money? Cause that dude blew last week.

 

http://turnonthejets.com/2013/09/new-york-jets-secondary-grade-sheet-week-one/#more-17062

[jetsjetsjetss]

people talk about "worth the money" here's a question is Cro worth the money? Cause that dude blew last week.

 

http://turnonthejets.com/2013/09/new-york-jets-secondary-grade-sheet-week-one/#more-17062

 

id say yes.

 

No one can cover jackson one on one

 

i dont think even revis could

[cr726]

people talk about "worth the money" here's a question is Cro worth the money? Cause that dude blew last week.

 

http://turnonthejets.com/2013/09/new-york-jets-secondary-grade-sheet-week-one/#more-17062

He played lazy as hell. It hurt.

[sirlancemehlot]

This one goes down as a win for Idzik in my book. Not because Richardson is better than Revis, he's not. Revis will be a HOFer most likely. But we couldn't afford to keep Revis and still pay for talent elsewhere. So Idzik made chicken salad out of chicken sh*t by getting the high first round pick, shedding a ludicrous salary, and turning that pick into Richards who looks like he's going to be special. There's no downside for us.

[Bleedin Green]

people talk about "worth the money" here's a question is Cro worth the money? Cause that dude blew last week.

 

http://turnonthejets.com/2013/09/new-york-jets-secondary-grade-sheet-week-one/#more-17062

 

Wow, one whole bad game?  I guess they might as well cut him right now, huh?

 

Hate to break it to you, but if that was the barometer for a player's worth, your boy Revis would have been making the vet minimum after his start to the 2010 season, assuming he wasn't simply out of the league.

 

Oh, and as a quick aside, Cro's contract was for $8 million / year (and actually, the Jets will have paid him even less than that if he is cut, traded or restructures after this season).  That is half of what Revis is getting paid.