D. Baldwin, Joique Bell, Bobby Rainey RFA's.. Worth an offer?

[eboozer]

Any other names here you find intriguing?

 

http://www.spotrac.com/free-agents/nfl/rfa/

Isa Abdul-Quddus S RFA NO TBD 25 $9,000,000 Christian Cox DT RFA NE TBD 28 $9,000,000 Jeff Owens DT RFA PHI TBD 27 $9,000,000 Brandon LaFell WR RFA CAR TBD 27 $1,554,600 Garry Williams G RFA CAR TBD 27 $1,258,333 Tom Johnson DE RFA NO TBD 29 $775,000 Tony Carter CB RFA DEN TBD 27 $715,000 James Starks RB RFA GB TBD 27 $655,075 Javier Arenas CB RFA ARI TBD 26 $645,000 Kavell Conner ILB, LB RFA IND TBD 26 $641,309 Joique Bell RB RFA DET TBD 27 $630,000 Nate Collins DT RFA CHI TBD 26 $630,000 Vincent Rey OLB, LB RFA CIN TBD 26 $630,000 Chris Scott G RFA CAR TBD 26 $630,000 Marcus Sherels CB RFA MIN TBD 26 $630,000 R.J. Stanford CB RFA MIA TBD 25 $630,000 Larry Hart LB RFA JAC TBD 26 $623,200 Jorrick Calvin CB RFA PHI TBD 26 $597,000 Scotty McGee KR RFA JAC TBD 27 $595,000 Doug Baldwin WR RFA SEA TBD 25 $560,833 Mark Herzlich ILB, LB RFA NYG TBD 26 $560,000 Henry Hynoski FB RFA NYG TBD 25 $560,000 Jeron Johnson S RFA SEA TBD 25 $560,000 Garrett McIntyre OLB, LB RFA NYJ TBD 29 $560,000 Byron Bell RT, T RFA CAR TBD 25 $559,667 Nick Bellore ILB, LB RFA NYJ TBD 24 $557,333 Cameron Bradfield LT, T RFA JAC TBD 26 $556,668 Jamari Lattimore ILB, LB RFA GB TBD 25 $556,668 Lestar Jean WR RFA HOU TBD 25 $556,667 Joseph Morgan WR RFA NO TBD 25 $556,334 Spencer Paysinger OLB, LB RFA NYG TBD 25 $556,000 Dan Bailey K RFA DAL TBD 25 $555,833 M.D. Jennings S RFA GB TBD 25 $555,833 Chris Harris CB RFA DEN TBD 24 $555,668 Bryan Braman OLB, LB RFA HOU TBD 26 $555,667 Phillip Tanner RB RFA DAL TBD 25 $555,500 Danny Aiken LS RFA NE TBD 25 $555,000 Bront Bird ILB, LB RFA SD TBD 24 $555,000 Richie Brockel FB RFA CAR TBD 27 $555,000 Rafael Bush S RFA NO TBD 26 $555,000 Jeff Byers C RFA CAR TBD 28 $555,000 Chimdi Chekwa CB RFA OAK TBD 25 $555,000 Jed Collins FB RFA NO TBD 27 $555,000 Jim Cordle C RFA NYG TBD 26 $555,000 Larry Dean OLB, LB RFA MIN TBD 25 $555,000 James Dockery CB RFA CAR TBD 25 $555,000 Kris Durham WR RFA DET TBD 25 $555,000 Josh Gordy CB RFA IND TBD 26 $555,000 Andrew Hawkins WR RFA CIN TBD 27 $555,000 Ricky Henry G RFA KC TBD 26 $555,000 Lemuel Jeanpierre C RFA SEA TBD 26 $555,000 Chris Jones P RFA DAL TBD 24 $555,000 Scott Lutrus ILB, LB RFA IND TBD 25 $555,000 Robert McClain CB RFA ATL TBD 25 $555,000 Terrell McClain DT RFA HOU TBD 25 $555,000 Albert McClellan ILB, LB RFA BAL TBD 27 $555,000 Mike McNeill TE RFA STL TBD 25 $555,000 Michael Morgan DE RFA SEA TBD 26 $555,000 Allen Reisner TE RFA JAC TBD 25 $555,000 Joe Reitz G RFA IND TBD 26 $555,000 Dane Sanzenbacher WR RFA CIN TBD 25 $555,000 Alfonso Smith RB RFA ARI TBD 26 $555,000 Ronald Talley DE RFA ARI TBD 27 $555,000 Cedric Thornton DE RFA PHI TBD 25 $555,000 Jordan Todman RB RFA JAC TBD 23 $555,000 Mitch Unrein DT RFA DEN TBD 26 $555,000 Darrin Walls CB RFA NYJ TBD 25 $555,000 Anthony Walters S RFA CHI TBD 25 $555,000 Danny Watkins G RFA MIA TBD 29 $555,000 Will Yeatman LT, T RFA MIA TBD 25 $555,000 Demarcus Dobbs TE RFA SF TBD 26 $526,519 Marcus Benard OLB, LB RFA ARI TBD 28 $481,765 Josh Bynes ILB, LB RFA BAL TBD 24 $480,000 Kevin Cone WR RFA ATL TBD 25 $480,000 Pat Devlin QB RFA MIA TBD 25 $480,000 Anthony Levine S RFA BAL TBD 26 $480,000 Jeremy Stewart RB RFA OAK TBD 24 $480,000 Steve Schilling G RFA SD TBD 25 $457,059 Konrad Reuland TE RFA NYJ TBD 26 $417,529 Eric Page WR RFA TB TBD 22 $405,000 Nate Byham TE RFA TB TBD 25 $373,764 Mike Caussin TE RFA BUF TBD 26 $358,000 Deji Karim RB RFA HOU TBD 27 $333,529 Phillip Hunt OLB, LB RFA PHI TBD 28 $329,668 Adrian Hamilton OLB, LB RFA BAL TBD 26 $303,000 Doug Worthington DE RFA WAS TBD 26 $303,000 Jake Ballard TE RFA ARI TBD 26 $296,470 Bobby Rainey RB RFA TB TBD 26 $282,353 Austin Davis QB RFA STL TBD 24 $282,352 Eric Olsen C RFA PIT TBD 25 $163,235 Chris Greenwood CB RFA DET TBD 24 $112,941 Julian Stanford OLB, LB RFA DET TBD 23 $112,941 Richard Gordon TE RFA KC TBD 26 $65,294 Matt Masifilo DT RFA TB TBD 24 $56,470 Sammy Brown DE RFA STL TBD 23 $28,235 Jeris Pendleton DT RFA IND TBD 30 $28,235 Darvin Adams WR RFA CAR TBD 24   Dan Batten DE RFA BUF TBD 26   Nathan Bussey LB RFA JAC TBD 24   Jonathan Crompton QB RFA WAS TBD 26   Mark Dell WR RFA DEN TBD 24   Herb Donaldson RB RFA TEN TBD 28   Jeremiha Hunter LB RFA NO TBD 25   Mortty Ivy LB RFA PIT TBD 27   Kyle Jolly T RFA PIT TBD 26   Jake Laptad DT RFA CHI TBD 25   Garrett Lindholm K RFA STL TBD 25   Ryan McKee T RFA STL TBD 27   Andrew Rich CB RFA ARI TBD 28

 

 

 

[New York Mick]

Rainey would be a nice addition

[jorge o8]

wow good work

[eboozer]

wow good work

No one does "copy and paste" like the boozer!! No Post Concussion Syndrome with me. Namath's a pansy!

[Gastineau Lives]

Joique Bell caught fifty three passes last year and averaged over ten per catch. If Goodson is out, I'd take a look at him.

[eboozer]

Joique Bell caught fifty three passes last year and averaged over ten per catch. If Goodson is out, I'd take a look at him.

Joique also has a nose for the end zone.

 

 

                                   att   yds  avg. TD  yd/gm

Joique Bell, RB DET 166  650  3.9     8     40.6  

[New York Mick]

Joique also has a nose for the end zone.

att yds avg. TD yd/gm

Joique Bell, RB DET 166 650 3.9 8 40.6

I don't think they'll let him go. We'd have to give a pretty contract for them not to match.

[joewillie78]

Baldwin, Absolutely.

[faba]

Oh no we can actually lose

 

Konrad Reuland

[Larz]

if we make an offer, and they don't match, at some levels we send them a pick as well right ?

[Larz]

Oh no we can actually lose

 

Konrad Reuland

 

Garrett McIntyre OLB, LB RFA NYJ TBD 29 $560,000 

Nick Bellore ILB, LB RFA NYJ       

[SouthernJet]

If UFAs 'maybe', but I like our RB corps and wouldnt give up crap for a RFA....

[Il Mostro]

Joique Bell caught fifty three passes last year and averaged over ten per catch. If Goodson is out, I'd take a look at him.

 

 

Whether it is Goodson, a FA or draft pick, getting a go-to back who can consistently catch the ball and get YAC is as much of a need as upgrading at WR.   This was a huge missing piece last season.

[eboozer]

If UFAs 'maybe', but I like our RB corps and wouldnt give up crap for a RFA....

We need an Rb that can catch out of the backfield. Don't think Goodsen's coming back and Ivory doesn't excel in that dept. Powell is just "Meh" catching the ball.

 

West Coast "O" requires the back being able to catch out of the backfield.

 

I don't think they'll let him go. We'd have to give a pretty contract for them not to match.

Detroits top 51 players plus dead money = $135 mil. They're already several million over estimated cap

[New York Mick]

We need an Rb that can catch out of the backfield. Don't think Goodsen's coming back and Ivory doesn't excel in that dept. Powell is just "Meh" catching the ball.

West Coast "O" requires the back being able to catch out of the backfield.

Detroits top 51 players plus dead money = $135 mil. They're already several million over estimated cap

Oh cool. I'd def think they should take a chance in him.

[flgreen]

If UFAs 'maybe', but I like our RB corps and wouldnt give up crap for a RFA....

 

Me either

 

Plus there's a bunch of mid round type RB's in this draft

[bitonti]

there's actually some interesting names on this list, especially at WR. LaFell, Baldwin, Hawkins , Durham all decent enough players. Byron Bell could start for Austin Howard if they let him go... 

[Greenseed4]

We need an Rb that can catch out of the backfield. Don't think Goodsen's coming back and Ivory doesn't excel in that dept. Powell is just "Meh" catching the ball.

 

West Coast "O" requires the back being able to catch out of the backfield.

 

Detroits top 51 players plus dead money = $135 mil. They're already several million over estimated cap

 

 

Oh cool. I'd def think they should take a chance in him.

 

Joique Bell is no joke.  He stepped in when Reggie Bush got injured and the offense didn't skip a beat.  He runs hard, catches with the best of them, and is a true player.   

 

Money or not, He's the type of player they would tender at the 2nd round level, at the least.  Matching offers would be required to pony up that selection, and I believe we could do just as good (for less money) in the third round.  I'm beating the Bishop Sankey drum, as he reminds me of a LeSean McCoy.  Slippery like him, but runs harder.  Don't know about his hands. 

[eboozer]

Me either

 

Plus there's a bunch of mid round type RB's in this draft

What mid rd. RB's have made an impact this year? Stacy is the only one I can think of. The one's who made an impact(Lacy#61, L.Bell#48 and Bernard#37, M.Ball#58)were all in the top 2 rds.

 

You wouldn't give up a 3rd/4th for an established, high octane difference maker out of the backfield? I'd do that deal

[Jetsfan80]

Joique Bell is no joke.  He stepped in when Reggie Bush got injured and the offense didn't skip a beat.  He runs hard, catches with the best of them, and is a true player.   

 

Money or not, He's the type of player they would tender at the 2nd round level, at the least.  Matching offers would be required to pony up that selection, and I believe we could do just as good (for less money) in the third round.  I'm beating the Bishop Sankey drum, as he reminds me of a LeSean McCoy.  Slippery like him, but runs harder.  Don't know about his hands. 

 

Detroit RB's have success in the passing game because they have Calvin Johnson to take the top off the defense and an adequate thrower in Stafford.  Bell would be useless here.

[eboozer]

Joique Bell is no joke.  He stepped in when Reggie Bush got injured and the offense didn't skip a beat.  He runs hard, catches with the best of them, and is a true player.   

 

Money or not, He's the type of player they would tender at the 2nd round level, at the least.  Matching offers would be required to pony up that selection, and I believe we could do just as good (for less money) in the third round.  I'm beating the Bishop Sankey drum, as he reminds me of a LeSean McCoy.  Slippery like him, but runs harder.  Don't know about his hands. 

 

You do know that they would have to give him a hefty raise if they don't get any takers. Him and Bush in backfield would be $10 mil. tied up together. For a team with salary cap problems, that's a tough pill to swallow.

[Greenseed4]

Detroit RB's have success in the passing game because they have Calvin Johnson to take the top off the defense and an adequate thrower in Stafford.  Bell would be useless here.

 

Didn't you hear, we're signing Jimmy Graham, Eric Decker, then drafting Marquise Lee in the first and Jodan Matthews in the second.  We're fielding a four-man OL to accommodate all of our new weaponz.

 

Joique Bell will be the only thing south of the first down marker.  

[Greenseed4]

 

I'm not familiar with the financials.  Hold, please. 

 

 

[Greenseed4]

 

 

This is what I got. 

 

Restricted free agent Joique Bell is expected to get a second-round tender from the Lions.

We're fully confident Bell could be a very good NFL feature back somewhere, but the Lions aren't going to let him walk easily. If they do slap him with this tender, suitors would have to both pay Bell and give up a second-round pick. It's highly, highly unlikely to happen. Bell will have to wait until 2015 offseason to test his value on the open market. Jan 20 - 12:23 

 

 

Restricted free agent Joique Bell believes there's "mutual interest" between him and the Lions regarding a long-term contract.

Bell would prefer a multi-year commitment as opposed to a one-year restricted tender, for obvious reasons. He's still likely to be slapped with the RFA tag before perhaps striking a long-term deal with Lions management. Bell turns 28 before next season, so Detroit isn't going to break the bank. He does seem to have been identified as a core offensive player by new coach Jim Caldwell. 

 

I'm not being snarky, I made my comment before stumbling onto this on rotoworld (looking for his contract deets).  Like I said, this is a good year to find a talented back in the third round.  Ka'Deem Carey, Tre Mason, BISHOP SANKEY, even Carlos Hyde can catch the ball well--he just doesn't break away from defenders he bowls them over.  

[eboozer]

This is what I got. 

 

 

I'm not being snarky, I made my comment before stumbling onto this on rotoworld (looking for his contract deets).  Like I said, this is a good year to find a talented back in the third round.  Ka'Deem Carey, Tre Mason, BISHOP SANKEY, even Carlos Hyde can catch the ball well--he just doesn't break away from defenders he bowls them over.  

Agreed, a 2nd rd. tender would be too high for the Jets... I like Sankey, Carey and Mason... Hopefully, one of them will be available in the 3rd/4th

[SouthernJet]

Me either

 

Plus there's a bunch of mid round type RB's in this draft

exactly,, see what Goodsen status is then if he is deep 6'ed look at draft or Vet cuts before camp.. 

I wanted Gio Bernard for this purpose last year but via draft..

if there is a Gio type out there then grab him early, but I think Jets can boost Offense the most by grabbing TE Eric Ebron in 1st round..

[Larz]

not a big fan of RFA's

[eboozer]

How about a 3rd for Doug Baldwin if we can't sign any of the top FA's (Decker, Maclin, Cooper, Tate, Jones)Seattle has a 2014 Salary of 126 mil and Michael Bennett, Breno Giacomini, Golden Tate, Steven Hauschka, Brandon Browner,

Clinton McDonald and Walter Thurmond hitting FA this yr and Chris Clemons, Cliff Avril, Earl Thomas, Michael Robinson

and Richard Sherman FA in 2015. They've got problems.

With Harvin on a big contract, they may have to let Baldwin walk.

[Integrity28]

We need an Rb that can catch out of the backfield. Don't think Goodsen's coming back and Ivory doesn't excel in that dept. Powell is just "Meh" catching the ball.

 

West Coast "O" requires the back being able to catch out of the backfield.

 

Detroits top 51 players plus dead money = $135 mil. They're already several million over estimated cap

 

 

So, if I'm following your posts the past week.... trade away all our mid-round picks, to move up and take a stud possession burner WR that will be a guaranteed quality player, and then pay the ridiculously counter productive costs of a RFA to add midling players that are absolutely no better than guys we could select with those mid-round picks we wasted.

 

Sound logic.

[eboozer]

So, if I'm following your posts the past week.... trade away all our mid-round picks, to move up and take a stud possession burner WR that will be a guaranteed quality player, and then pay the ridiculously counter productive costs of a RFA to add midling players that are absolutely no better than guys we could select with those mid-round picks we wasted.

 

Sound logic.

Ummm! where was I talking about trading away all our mid-round picks to move up and take a WR?

 

If you're referring to the Draft Simulator Thread, here's a news flash.... It's just a game! Trying to see if trading up got you a higher score.

 

I am honored that you follow my posts so closely. I'm sorry I don't give you that much attention.

[Integrity28]

Ummm! where was I talking about trading away all our mid-round picks to move up and take a WR?

 

If you're referring to the Draft Simulator Thread, here's a news flash.... It's just a game! Trying to see if trading up got you a higher score.

 

I am honored that you follow my posts so closely. I'm sorry I don't give you that much attention.

 

I mixed you up with ozzieny, again. Easy mistake to make. Obviously, made easier by how much I apparently follow your posts so much.

 

Try not to jump into immediate butthurt just because someone questions what you say. Your logic on RFA chasing is doo doo... regardless of the mixup. 

 

When a team needs as much as we do, you don't pay the price of RFA for guys that aren't even difference makers (everyone on your list).

[eboozer]

I mixed you up with ozzieny, again. Easy mistake to make. Obviously, made easier by how much I apparently follow your posts so much.

 

Try not to jump into immediate butthurt just because someone questions what you say. Your logic on RFA chasing is doo doo... regardless of the mixup. 

 

When a team needs as much as we do, you don't pay the price of RFA for guys that aren't even difference makers (everyone on your list).

What is it with you and "butthurts"??

 

I'm starting to notice some latent tendencies throughout many of your posts. Hmmmm?

 

Listen, whatever floats your boat... I'm a New Age thinkin' man. Enjoy.

[slats]

Detroit RB's have success in the passing game because they have Calvin Johnson to take the top off the defense and an adequate thrower in Stafford.  Bell would be useless here.

  

Not advocating sending a second round pick for the guy at all, but he'd be extremely useful here. A RB who's a threat to catch the ball out of the backfield slows down the pass rush, consumes a defender, or makes a big play.

I'm not convinced they're done with Goodson just yet, but if they are, they should be looking for this type of back in the draft. Bell went undrafted (like the great Danny Woodhead), evidence that these guys are available if you look.

How about a 3rd for Doug Baldwin if we can't sign any of the top FA's (Decker, Maclin, Cooper, Tate, Jones)Seattle has a 2014 Salary of 126 mil and Michael Bennett, Breno Giacomini, Golden Tate, Steven Hauschka, Brandon Browner,Clinton McDonald and Walter Thurmond hitting FA this yr and Chris Clemons, Cliff Avril, Earl Thomas, Michael Robinsonand Richard Sherman FA in 2015. They've got problems.With Harvin on a big contract, they may have to let Baldwin walk.

Trading picks for players is a big part of the reason the Jets roster became a stinking pile of crap over the last couple years. Championship teams are built on a core of talent who are outperforming their contracts. You get those players in the draft. If those extra picks are burning a hole in Idzik's pocket, I'd prefer he make a modest move up in the draft to select his WR of choice, rather than send a pick to another team for the right to pay a player a larger contract.

The whole RFA process is a bit of a game. Many teams dangle players to let other teams do the work of negotiating a deal, and then they simply match if they think it's fair. I wouldn't bother playing for anything higher than the risk of a fourth round pick.

[Integrity28]

What is it with you and "butthurts"??

 

I'm starting to notice some latent tendencies throughout many of your posts. Hmmmm?

 

Listen, whatever floats your boat... I'm a New Age thinkin' man. Enjoy.

 

Whatever - all I did was mix you up with another poster, you don't have to get so salty, so quickly. get over it.

 

I corrected my response to be about only what you said? Apparently putting on an exhibition of "eboozerness" is more important than backing up the ding-dong logic of paying the cost of RFA's in order to add moderate-impact role players to the roster.

 

In other words, you don't give up what you have to give up for a RFA - to add Doug Baldwin or Bobby Rainey, guys that have spent their careers as depth chart filler - you can get the same production, with higher ceiling, with draft picks.

[eboozer]

Whatever - all I did was mix you up with another poster, you don't have to get so salty, so quickly. get over it.

 

I corrected my response to be about only what you said? Apparently putting on an exhibition of "eboozerness" is more important than backing up the ding-dong logic of paying the cost of RFA's in order to add moderate-impact role players to the roster.

 

In other words, you don't give up what you have to give up for a RFA - to add Doug Baldwin or Bobby Rainey, guys that have spent their careers as depth chart filler - you can get the same production, with higher ceiling, with draft picks.

Doug Baldwin's #'s are not depth chart filler....

REC YDS TD AVG LONG

50       778 5   15.6    52