Jetknowledge Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Just wondering because there's a chance Watkins, Evans, Lee, Kelvin, & Ebron will be gone before our pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Yes, and if the Jets take a TE in the first round I might go all Richard Sherman, and sh*t! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetlife33 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 In one word , yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 If there's a run on all the good offensive players, there'll probably be one or two good defensive players available at #18. The Jets were desperate for offensive help last year, too, but that didn't stop the team from going defense in the first round. Twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Just wondering because there's a chance Watkins, Evans, Lee, Kelvin, & Ebron will be gone before our pick. Not Matthews, and Robinson is borderline at #18. Dude is big and long and has great hands. I would not be dissappointed if they took either at 18. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Dierking Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 While I am biased on Robinson because of where he went to school, the kid is tough, durable and will be an NFL receiver for at least a decade. Whether he will be a "star" receiver is an unknown. He has fair quickness off the the line and can "body up" most d-backs and has tremendous leaping ability and body control. Hands are very good and he doesn't allow the ball come into his body. The Jets could certainly do worse at 18 at WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 No one will know anything until after the combine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Just wondering because there's a chance Watkins, Evans, Lee, Kelvin, & Ebron will be gone before our pick. Im about to put up my updated pre mock draft and I tell you this, Jordan Matthews to me looks like the most nfl ready WR I've seen so far bar none. Taking him at 18 will probably look like a stretch in May, but by seasons end it'll be a no-brainer and possibly the best value pick the Jets make the entire draft if they draft this kid. Im actually watching his tape now and he's looking VERY legit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Despise the term reach as it denotes that the opinions of the Matt Millers and draftniks of the world actually hold value in the NFL. By and large, players are selected where their value is determined by FOs from all around the league, thus if Matthews is picked at 18, his value is a mid-first rounder. Other than that, it's impossible to answer without knowing who else is on the board. If you have those four receivers and one tight end already off the board and presumably four QBs, as Slats mentioned, there's probably going to be a stud defensive guy who falls through the cracks, like maybe Mack or Barr. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Im about to put up my updated pre mock draft... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Despise the term reach as it denotes that the opinions of the Matt Millers and draftniks of the world actually hold value in the NFL. By and large, players are selected where their value is determined by FOs from all around the league, thus if Matthews is picked at 18, his value is a mid-first rounder. Other than that, it's impossible to answer without knowing who else is on the board. If you have those four receivers and one tight end already off the board and presumably four QBs, as Slats mentioned, there's probably going to be a stud defensive guy who falls through the cracks, like maybe Mack or Barr. If Khalil Mack falls out of the top ten and is sitting at #18 the Jets better trade back to the mid 20's and pick up another 3rd rounder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetknowledge Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 If robinson 40 time is 4.44 or better I can see him at 18 my only question with him is his speed, if he's a 4.3 guy i'm excited because of geno's arm. Fyi - if we draft or sign a qb he just better have a arm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 If Khalil Mack falls out of the top ten and is sitting at #18 the Jets better trade back to the mid 20's and pick up another 3rd rounder. id like khalil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I figured the "watching tape" part would have gotten you more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 If Khalil Mack falls out of the top ten and is sitting at #18 the Jets better trade back to the mid 20's and pick up another 3rd rounder. If Mack somehow falls to 18th and we don't select him, I'll be extremely annoyed. He'd be our best edge-rusher in about a decade and fills a position of need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I figured the "watching tape" part would have gotten you more. YouTube = Tape = Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Robinson really seems to have slipped so far as being included in discussions of the top WR's. There was a time he was mentioned towards the top of the group not named Watkins, Evans or Lee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetknowledge Posted February 18, 2014 Author Share Posted February 18, 2014 Robinson really seems to have slipped so far as being included in discussions of the top WR's. There was a time he was mentioned towards the top of the group not named Watkins, Evans or Lee. I believe that's because of his school. But he certainly should be in peoples top 5s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 I figured the "watching tape" part would have gotten you more. YouTube = Tape = Kinda reminds me when I was spoke on Alshon Jeffery a couple years ago (after watching tape) and all I seen was funny gif's and fat pics. 2 years later Jeffery's in the probowl and people still have their Gifs....no fat pics yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 If Mack somehow falls to 18th and we don't select him, I'll be extremely annoyed. He'd be our best edge-rusher in about a decade and fills a position of need. I dont care. They should trade back, get an extra pick and get that WR. It wont matter how good Mack is (or the defense for that matter) if the offense cant score points. It is a position of need, but not as much a need as WR. We have Coples, and we're most likely signing Barnes back. We have Jeremy Kerley! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurnleyJet Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Yes pick BAP regardless of position. The Idzik Badger Don't Care! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Kinda reminds me when I was spoke on Alshon Jeffery a couple years ago (after watching tape) and all I seen was funny gif's and fat pics. 2 years later Jeffery's in the probowl and people still have their Gifs....no fat pics yet. Wow, you sure showed them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 No, either one at #18 is fine. Both are studs but I would rather have Benjamin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Wow, you sure showed them. Sometimes you have to take it there you know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Sometimes you have to take it there you know? Looking at youtube clips and cutups is not equivalent to "watching tape," that's probably the most hollow, disingenuous phrase on football forums. You're lording Jeffery over everyone as if you nailed Marques Colston in the bottom of the 7th round. You predicated that the best WR in the SEC and the 45th overall pick in the draft was going to be good, BOLD prediction. No one doubted his talent, they doubted his drive and ethic, there's a difference. I'll give you credit for looking past that however. Hey, I said Larry Warford was going to be the best OG in the draft for months, and he went in the third, does that make me JN's resident Oline scout!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Looking at youtube clips and cutups is not equivalent to "watching tape," that's probably the most hollow, disingenuous phrase on football forums. You're lording Jeffery over everyone as if you nailed Marques Colston in the bottom of the 7th round. You predicated that the best WR in the SEC and the 45th overall pick in the draft was going to be good, BOLD prediction. No one doubted his talent, they doubted his drive and ethic, there's a difference. I'll give you credit for looking past that however. Hey, I said Larry Warford was going to be the best OG in the draft for months, and he went in the third, does that make me JN's resident Oline scout!? Looking at youtube clips and cutups is not equivalent to "watching tape," that's probably the most hollow, disingenuous phrase on football forums. You're lording Jeffery over everyone as if you nailed Marques Colston in the bottom of the 7th round. You predicated that the best WR in the SEC and the 45th overall pick in the draft was going to be good, BOLD prediction. No one doubted his talent, they doubted his drive and ethic, there's a difference. I'll give you credit for looking past that however. Hey, I said Larry Warford was going to be the best OG in the draft for months, and he went in the third, does that make me JN's resident Oline scout!? Good enough for me. Which QB should the Jets draft Mr. EXPERT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 matthews can't get separation therefore yes he is a reach at 18. We will see what Robinson runs he might be a real first rounder. he has to blaze tho. Odell Beckham Jr looks more like a guy who will fit a need and be worth the pick, after he runs a 4.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Looking at youtube clips and cutups is not equivalent to "watching tape," that's probably the most hollow, disingenuous phrase on football forums. You're lording Jeffery over everyone as if you nailed Marques Colston in the bottom of the 7th round. You predicated that the best WR in the SEC and the 45th overall pick in the draft was going to be good, BOLD prediction. No one doubted his talent, they doubted his drive and ethic, there's a difference. I'll give you credit for looking past that however. Hey, I said Larry Warford was going to be the best OG in the draft for months, and he went in the third, does that make me JN's resident Oline scout!? Yes, yes it does. Fight Bitonti for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Looking at youtube clips and cutups is not equivalent to "watching tape," that's probably the most hollow, disingenuous phrase on football forums. You're lording Jeffery over everyone as if you nailed Marques Colston in the bottom of the 7th round. You predicated that the best WR in the SEC and the 45th overall pick in the draft was going to be good, BOLD prediction. No one doubted his talent, they doubted his drive and ethic, there's a difference. I'll give you credit for looking past that however. Hey, I said Larry Warford was going to be the best OG in the draft for months, and he went in the third, does that make me JN's resident Oline scout!? Me too, me too....what do I get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Ok I picked the Jets to go 8 and 8 last year- do I win a prize? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Good enough for me. Which QB should the Jets draft Mr. EXPERT? My point wasn't to say that I was a better talent evaluator than anyone, just that there are legitimate reasons that FOs pass on players other than talent. Villain and I actually do like a lot of the same WRs in this draft, however I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that because I nailed Larry Waford and Carl NIcks a few years ago means I'm right. FWIW, my top 5, in order (subject to flip around after the combine): Lee Watkins Beckham Evans Cooks But it's a pretty weak estimate, considering I've barely seen Adams, Robinson, Montcrief play outside of a game here or there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Me too, me too....what do I get? Co-offensive line scout of JN? I think we could take Bitonti. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 My point wasn't to say that I was a better talent evaluator than anyone, just that there are legitimate reasons that FOs pass on players other than talent. Villain and I actually do like a lot of the same WRs in this draft, however I'm not gonna sit here and tell you that because I nailed Larry Waford and Carl NIcks a few years ago means I'm right. FWIW, my top 5, in order (subject to flip around after the combine): Lee Watkins Beckham Evans Cooks But it's a pretty weak estimate, considering I've barely seen Adams, Robinson, Montcrief play outside of a game here or there. No , read again, which QUARTERBACK should we draft? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Looking at youtube clips and cutups is not equivalent to "watching tape," that's probably the most hollow, disingenuous phrase on football forums. You're lording Jeffery over everyone as if you nailed Marques Colston in the bottom of the 7th round. You predicated that the best WR in the SEC and the 45th overall pick in the draft was going to be good, BOLD prediction. No one doubted his talent, they doubted his drive and ethic, there's a difference. I'll give you credit for looking past that however. Hey, I said Larry Warford was going to be the best OG in the draft for months, and he went in the third, does that make me JN's resident Oline scout!? I'm not talking about YouTube highlights, you can easily find video of almost every snap Matthews took in a given game. This is why I called it tape and not YouTube highlights. It's literally tape of all his relevant snaps in a football game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 18, 2014 Share Posted February 18, 2014 Kinda reminds me when I was spoke on Alshon Jeffery a couple years ago (after watching tape) and all I seen was funny gif's and fat pics. 2 years later Jeffery's in the probowl and people still have their Gifs....no fat pics yet. You did, and that's why I'm willing to give you a little more credence this year. Kinda like when Jeane Dixon predicted JFK's assassination. I dont care. They should trade back, get an extra pick and get that WR. It wont matter how good Mack is (or the defense for that matter) if the offense cant score points. It is a position of need, but not as much a need as WR. We have Coples, and we're most likely signing Barnes back. We have Jeremy Kerley! The Jets will have anywhere from $40M to $50M to spend on free agents this year. What they need to do is take care of their (receiving) needs as best as they possibly can in free agency, so that if a stud pass rusher drops to them at #18, they can comfortably pounce. Drafting for need is a recipe for failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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