TuscanyTile2 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 There's a lot of talk about trading up to get an impact QB or WR. Of course, if we had lost those meaningless (as far as making the playoffs) last couple of games of the year, we'd have a better pick and maybe wouldn't need to trade up (or would have to trade a lot less to move up. Or heck - we could trade down and accumulate picks). So now that the NFL season is over and we have some level of perspective, would you have preferred we have lost the last few games of the year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 the colts had the top 2 picks one year, and they both sucked just win baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeC36 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Season was over a month and a half ago. Win at all costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Be_a_Jet Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 No. Im glad we knocked Miami out of the playoffs. You should be to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 No, we would've lost Rex. Plenty of good players to be had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 There's a lot of talk about trading up to get an impact QB or WR. Of course, if we had lost those meaningless (as far as making the playoffs) last couple of games of the year, we'd have a better pick and maybe wouldn't need to trade up (or would have to trade a lot less to move up. Or heck - we could trade down and accumulate picks). So now that the NFL season is over and we have some level of perspective, would you have preferred we have lost the last few games of the year? And take away our SUPERBOWL? Blasphemy. Losing and getting the TOP pick never works. Just ask the Colts. Why would we want Andrew Luck, when we can have a safety or left guard? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 There is no brake lever on The Greatness Express. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 And take away our SUPERBOWL? Blasphemy. Losing and getting the TOP pick never works. Just ask the Colts. Why would we want Andrew Luck, when we can have a safety or left guard? Andrew Luck has re-entered the draft for this year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 And take away our SUPERBOWL? Blasphemy. Losing and getting the TOP pick never works. Just ask the Colts. Why would we want Andrew Luck, when we can have a safety or left guard? What are you suggesting, that the Jets should have tanked? Do you also think that the WWE looks just like the UFC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Andrew Luck has re-entered the draft for this year? Yup, morphed into this little guy from Texas A+M, who can sling it like no other, can scramble like no other, is a gamer, a winner, and a guy that makes everyone around him better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 What are you suggesting, that the Jets should have tanked? Do you also think that the WWE looks just like the UFC? Lets see,some are suggesting that "meaningless" wins hurt our draft position and thus we get to draft middle of the pack AGAIN, and get decent talent. Fair enough. YET, those meaningless wins are called our SUPERBOWL by Jet players, absolutely incredible that they said this, and they celebrated like it, yet those games meant NOTHING, except a lower draft pick. If we lose those meaningless games and are actually able to draft higher up, normally meaning higher quality talent, then maybe we can start winning games that are actually WORTH celebrating like say a PLAYOFF clincher, or a Playoff win. However, if we as Jet fans are SATISFIED with meaningless wins, and want to celebrate them, then by all means, carry on, as that seems to be what we are left with, with this organization and coaching staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Lets see,some are suggesting that "meaningless" wins hurt our draft position and thus we get to draft middle of the pack AGAIN, and get decent talent. Fair enough. YET, those meaningless wins are called our SUPERBOWL by Jet players, absolutely incredible that they said this, and they celebrated like it, yet those games meant NOTHING, except a lower draft pick. If we lose those meaningless games and are actually able to draft higher up, normally meaning higher quality talent, then maybe we can start winning games that are actually WORTH celebrating like say a PLAYOFF clincher, or a Playoff win. However, if we as Jet fans are SATISFIED with meaningless wins, and want to celebrate them, then by all means, carry on, as that seems to be what we are left with, with this organization and coaching staff. First of all, it is none of the players business that we need a higher draft pick. It is nothing even remotely of concern to them and shouldn't be. God forbid we have players that want to win. You think you can shut off competitiveness like a switch especially when your livelihood is at stake? Please describe how your whole tanking scenario plays out from start to finish. Is it something that Idzik approaches them with? Rex? Or is it just understood that we need to tank so let's play at (half? three quarters?) speed communicated by telepathy? How do you get everybody on board? Are players eligible for free agency exempt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 First of all, it is none of the players business that we need a higher draft pick. It is nothing even remotely of concern to them and shouldn't be. God forbid we have players that want to win. You think you can shut off competitiveness like a switch especially when your livelihood is at stake? Please describe how your whole tanking scenario plays out from start to finish. Starting QB gets injured NECK, misses season, DRAFT ANDREW LUCK? Colts have the TANKING playbook, and are running it step by step. DIE HARD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Lets see,some are suggesting that "meaningless" wins hurt our draft position and thus we get to draft middle of the pack AGAIN, and get decent talent. Fair enough.YET, those meaningless wins are called our SUPERBOWL by Jet players, absolutely incredible that they said this, and they celebrated like it, yet those games meant NOTHING, except a lower draft pick.If we lose those meaningless games and are actually able to draft higher up, normally meaning higher quality talent, then maybe we can start winning games that are actually WORTH celebrating like say a PLAYOFF clincher, or a Playoff win.However, if we as Jet fans are SATISFIED with meaningless wins, and want to celebrate them, then by all means, carry on, as that seems to be what we are left with, with this organization and coaching staff. Bullsh*t. Geno, Milliner, and Winters all showed improvement down the stretch. The Jets were (and still are) a very young team. The development of those young players matters, and getting into the habit of winning matters. The Jets entered the season as favorites for the first pick in the draft. Instead they won games. Pretty successful rebuilding year. You whine incessantly about Jet fans accepting mediocrity, and then suggest -no, come right out and say- that the Jets would've been better off losing more games. How ridiculous is that? Last game of the season, the Jets knocked the fish out of the playoffs and retained their coach - who you don't like, but they clearly do. They were happy. Sue them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Bullsh*t. Geno, Milliner, and Winters all showed improvement down the stretch. The Jets were (and still are) a very young team. The development of those young players matters, and getting into the habit of winning matters. The Jets entered the season as favorites for the first pick in the draft. Instead they won games. Pretty successful rebuilding year. You whine incessantly about Jet fans accepting mediocrity, and then suggest -no, come right out and say- that the Jets would've been better off losing more games. How ridiculous is that? Last game of the season, the Jets knocked the fish out of the playoffs and retained their coach - who you don't like, but they clearly do. They were happy. Sue them. Again, your last sentence "they were happy". Fine, that's great, I'm glad they were happy, but would they be happier, and would the fans be happier if that game actually meant something. Just asking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Again, your last sentence "they were happy". Fine, that's great, I'm glad they were happy, but would they be happier, and would the fans be happier if that game actually meant something. Just asking? Which player, on the Jets, should have played less good? Name them. And then tell me how they do that. Fans feelings have nothing to do with franchise performance, so I'm not even sure what your point is in that regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Again, your last sentence "they were happy". Fine, that's great, I'm glad they were happy, but would they be happier, and would the fans be happier if that game actually meant something. Just asking? They were expected to be a bottom-dweller last year. They went into the season with no playoff expectations whatsoever. Winning eight games with that roster was an achievement, and something to build on this year. They had every right to be proud. Pete Carroll and the Seahawks trudged thru a couple 7-9 seasons before getting it all together and winning a championship. There's more than one way to get there, and purposely losing doesn't need to be a part of the equation. The fact that you're talking about winning meaningful games while complaining that they won too many last year is completely ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Try to win every game. Maybe once in a blue moon if you are in contention for top pick by week 15 and there is can't miss franchise qb propspect you don't try so hard but in all other circumstances play to win. Especially when there is a chance to knock a rival from playoffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Try to win every game. Maybe once in a blue moon if you are in contention for top pick by week 15 and there is can't miss franchise qb propspect you don't try so hard but in all other circumstances play to win. Especially when there is a chance to knock a rival from playoffs Can you please take me step by step through the not trying so hard process? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Yup, morphed into this little guy from Texas A+M, who can sling it like no other, can scramble like no other, is a gamer, a winner, and a guy that makes everyone around him better. Child please!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Can you please take me step by step through the not trying so hard process? Paging SANTONIO HOLMES. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Il Mostro Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Can you please take me step by step through the not trying so hard process? Although it is an innate skill that requires many years of practice to reach perfection, it cannot be taught. You've either got it, or you don't. Only the chosen few are blessed with this gift at birth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Paging SANTONIO HOLMES. Oh you mean the guy whose career is in the toilet? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Oh you mean the guy whose career is in the toilet? Is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Can you please take me step by step through the not trying so hard process? who knows. calling a vanilla game, giving some of your backups some pt. there are a dozen ways. again i'm not a proponent of it, just saying there are very few situations where it would actually make sense to purposefully suck. and those are very rare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 who knows. calling a vanilla game, giving some of your backups some pt. there are a dozen ways. again i'm not a proponent of it, just saying there are very few situations where it would actually make sense to purposefully suck. and those are very rare. Good call, try to get some guys playing time , that haven't played much this year. Try some new wrinkles in your offense and defense, go for 2 instead of extra points, fake field or punt, on-side kick, go for it on 4th down. You can do many things that may help you evaluate your team and players for next season, all the while getting yourself in better draft position. Win/Win all the way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenoandtheJets Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 The Question has to be can Rex Ryan motivate his team to the playoffs & can they get a couple of WRs that can legitimately help Geno out in his 2nd season as QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Good call, try to get some guys playing time , that haven't played much this year. Try some new wrinkles in your offense and defense, go for 2 instead of extra points, fake field or punt, on-side kick, go for it on 4th down. You can do many things that may help you evaluate your team and players for next season, all the while getting yourself in better draft position. Win/Win all the way around. I'm sorry but I'm going to need some examples of where this actually happened. You'd think a circumstance so blatant would be common knowledge, that someone would have noticed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Bullsh*t. Geno, Milliner, and Winters all showed improvement down the stretch. The Jets were (and still are) a very young team. The development of those young players matters, and getting into the habit of winning matters. The Jets entered the season as favorites for the first pick in the draft. Instead they won games. Pretty successful rebuilding year. You whine incessantly about Jet fans accepting mediocrity, and then suggest -no, come right out and say- that the Jets would've been better off losing more games. How ridiculous is that? Last game of the season, the Jets knocked the fish out of the playoffs and retained their coach - who you don't like, but they clearly do. They were happy. Sue them. This. Young teams need to learn how to win. Finishing out the season winning 3 of 4 and preventing the fins to get into the playoffs is great for a team with so many young players and new pieces. Its exactly what you want to see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 This. Young teams need to learn how to win. Finishing out the season winning 3 of 4 and preventing the fins to get into the playoffs is great for a team with so many young players and new pieces. Its exactly what you want to see. That's what you guys are going with now? The Jets have been a young, rebuilding team for the last three years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 I'm sorry but I'm going to need some examples of where this actually happened. You'd think a circumstance so blatant would be common knowledge, that someone would have noticed. Colts, 2011? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 That's what you guys are going with now? The Jets have been a young, rebuilding team for the last three years? Yes, we are all hoping that we are 5-8 going into our last 3 games next year and we win them all. Those will be our playoffs and Superbowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 That's what you guys are going with now? The Jets have been a young, rebuilding team for the last three years? Ehh, not to the point that they were this past year. The Jets are one of the youngest teams in the league and actually have a lot of young players that are key contributors, who have a future with the team. Sheldon, Mo, Coples, Snacks, Milliner, Davis, Antonio Allen make the core of the defense and are all <25 (some in the very low 20s). The offense is another story depending on what you think of Geno and Winters. Winning that game and knocking Miami out was something we wouldn't have been doing in recent years, those guys wanted to keep playing. If Geno even marginally improves his play from last year to next season, combined with the FA class and an influx of draft picks, there's no reason to not be excited. I'd be disappointed if they didn't make the playoffs next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 This team can be on the upswing with a good draft and key free agent signings. And hopefully improved QB play. And Brady is one year older Hah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted February 22, 2014 Share Posted February 22, 2014 Colts, 2011? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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