joewillie78 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Does he have a cannon? No, I wouldn't say a cannon like Ryan Mallet, or Jeff George had, but his arm strength is clearly above average, to go along with his freakish athletic skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 No, I wouldn't say a cannon like Ryan Mallet, or Jeff George had, but his arm strength is clearly above average, to go along with his freakish athletic skills. By freakish atheltic skills you mean slightly fast fidget? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 By freakish atheltic skills you mean slightly fast fidget? Fast, quick, agile laterally and vertically. He will make more linemen, and linebackers miss, than any QB since Randall Cunningham. Meanwhile, his receivers are leaving safties and corners in their wake, for yard consuming broken plays, or he tucks it and picks up 15. A defensive Coordinators nightmare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 So Mack is def gone top 10 with Clowney. Does Barr hang around? I'm thinking he's gone around 8-12, 4.66 was outstanding but only a 34.5 vert and he doesn't fit every system. Outstanding 3C 6.82 Solid broad 119" but only 15 reps. Just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 the question teams have to ask about Clowney is "does he want to play football?" if he doesn't. it's a possible Gholston situation. Comparing him to Johnny ABe might be too generous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I just don't like the idea that people are so amped about his combine numbers and running ability for a reason why they should draft him. Besides being quicker than Geno, which admittedly will help him escape from the pocket, he's less explosive in every other aspect. If Manziel wants to make it in the NFL, he needs to make all the throws from the pocket and not worry about playing backyard football or he's going to get destroyed at his frame. I don't think he's capable of doing, but it will certainly be interesting to see what he does next year, he's that polarizing. FWIW: Manziel: 5'11" 207 lbs. 4.68 forty. 31.5" vert. 9'5" broad jump. Smith: 6'2" 218 lbs. 4.59 forty. 33.5" vert. 10'4" broad jump. isnt the whole point that he is accurate? He uses his athletisicm to get away from the rush then make some crazy pass downfield he has no buisness making. Some of the throws he makes are just like wow how did he hit his reciever dead in the hands while falling away from the rush check out his highlights most of them arnt running plays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Barr had a solid 20YS too. 4.19 which was on par w Mack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 isnt the whole point that he is accurate? He uses his athletisicm to get away from the rush then make some crazy pass downfield he has no buisness making. Some of the throws he makes are just like wow how did he hit his reciever dead in the hands while falling away from the rush check out his highlights most of them arnt running plays No need to check out his highlights, I've seen full games of him playing and a lot of those scrambles he just won't be able to make in the NFL. I've thoroughly voiced my opinion on how much I dislike him, no need to rehash. I just was pointing out to 78 that putting aside his QBing, he's not the athletic specimen he's making him out to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 the question teams have to ask about Clowney is "does he want to play football?" if he doesn't. it's a possible Gholston situation. Comparing him to Johnny ABe might be too generous. He'll play his ass off because he knows that 2nd contract is where you make your money nowadays. Just my take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Meh. The average for DL last year was 26, for DE it was 24. That's average...this kid's supposed to be a super-star. For said super-star, it means he hasn't spent time in the gym and has been relying on his natural athleticism. Which can be taken one of two ways: 1) His potential to get even better is there. or, 2) His desire to get better (now, before the biggest interview of his life) isn't there and maybe never will be. JPP only did 19 reps on the bench. He was well on his way to be a super star prior to hurting his back. Clowney's a more freak athlete and JPP was a freak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Manziel is such a freakish athlete that he tested worse that Geno in just about everything. Add to it that his arm strength in below average, you can consider me unimpressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Mack had a 40" vert btw. 40" vert!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 So Mack is def gone top 10 with Clowney. Does Barr hang around? I'm thinking he's gone around 8-12, 4.66 was outstanding but only a 34.5 vert and he doesn't fit every system. Outstanding 3C 6.82 Solid broad 119" but only 15 reps. Just a thought. The big question about Barr was his lateral mobility. If his 3C numbers are tight, and he works out ok, he'll go top 10 easy, imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Mack had a 40" vert btw. 40" vert!!!! Juice monkey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 the question teams have to ask about Clowney is "does he want to play football?" if he doesn't. it's a possible Gholston situation. Comparing him to Johnny ABe might be too generous. All the big edge rushers get the dog label coming out of college it seems. Mario Williams certainly did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Top 10could be looking: 3 QBs 3 OTs Clowney, Mack Watkins, Evans 10-17 2 CBs Barr Donald Ebron 1 of the safeties? Another QB or Martin? Also Mosely....and there's always a big reach somewhere in there. At 18 Jets could be looking at Lee, Beckham, Cooks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 The big question about Barr was his lateral mobility. If his 3C numbers are tight, and he works out ok, he'll go top 10 easy, imo 3 cone and shuttle were tight. But not a finished product, doesn't fit every system and needs to add strength. A little Mingo, John Abe esque got me thinking 8-12 and then maybe he just slides a little bit as an off chance teams are looking at other positions. Not overly/freaky explosive via vert and broad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Juice monkey He's kinda like the Ansah of this years draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsjetsjetss Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 No need to check out his highlights, I've seen full games of him playing and a lot of those scrambles he just won't be able to make in the NFL. I've thoroughly voiced my opinion on how much I dislike him, no need to rehash. I just was pointing out to 78 that putting aside his QBing, he's not the athletic specimen he's making him out to be. but i think thats where your wrong. Maybe because im at college i dont watch enough tv but i dont see anyone comparing him to kappernick or rg3 if anything i see people comparing him russel wilson in his ability to extend plays and make something out of nothing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 but i think thats where your wrong. Maybe because im at college i dont watch enough tv but i dont see anyone comparing him to kappernick or rg3 if anything i see people comparing him russel wilson in his ability to extend plays and make something out of nothing Doesn't have the same arm strength though. Leadership, work ethic might be an issue for Manziel too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 The big question about Barr was his lateral mobility. If his 3C numbers are tight, and he works out ok, he'll go top 10 easy, imo I like Barr, but something keeps screaming Dion Jordan to me. I'd rather have Mack than pretty much anyone not named Clowney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I like Barr, but something keeps screaming Dion Jordan to me. I'd rather have Mack than pretty much anyone not named Clowney. Agreed but then you have Dee Ford who could still 4.5 and 39 vert at his pro day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 All the big edge rushers get the dog label coming out of college it seems. Mario Williams certainly did. Mario Williams put up 35 reps which shows commitment at least to lifting. Clowney isn't really a professional athlete he's a boy child. Andrew Bynum to use an NBA comp. he's got every gift you can want except tenacity. And in the end that's all that matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Top 10could be looking: 3 QBs 3 OTs Clowney, Mack Watkins, Evans 10-17 2 CBs Barr Donald Ebron 1 of the safeties? Another QB or Martin? Also Mosely....and there's always a big reach somewhere in there. At 18 Jets could be looking at Lee, Beckham, Cooks? at 18 the Jets are probably looking at whoever falls out of the 9 names in your 10-17 scenario. are the WR really better than CJ Mosely? what the DBs run will be crucial the Jets really need DBs. Great post btw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 at 18 the Jets are probably looking at whoever falls out of the 9 names in your 10-17 scenario. are the WR really better than CJ Mosely? what the DBs run will be crucial the Jets really need DBs. Great post btw Despite which CB I'd be a little ho hum if they took one but I agree on the potential need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Mario Williams put up 35 reps which shows commitment at least to lifting. Clowney isn't really a professional athlete he's a boy child. Andrew Bynum to use an NBA comp. he's got every gift you can want except tenacity. And in the end that's all that matters. Yea, except for Clowney doesn't have those degenerative knee problems... That's far and away Bynum's biggest problem, not him being lazy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 at 18 the Jets are probably looking at whoever falls out of the 9 names in your 10-17 scenario. are the WR really better than CJ Mosely? what the DBs run will be crucial the Jets really need DBs. Great post btw Christian Jones was the 5 star prospect, whereas Mosely was only a 4 star out of high school. According to the Bitonti psychoanalysis of Idzik, he's going for the freakier and more highly touted player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 "I'm better [than Clowney]. Let's put it like this. People like to talk about size all the time. Size is pretty much overrated in my eyes. You can look at guys like Robert Mathis, Elvis Dumervil, Von Miller. These are 6-2 guys and under. People are just looking at the fact that [Clowney] is a physical specimen. Honestly if you watch the film, he plays like a blind dog in a meat market basically." -Dee Ford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Clowney isn't really a professional athlete he's a boy child. I don't even. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Mario Williams put up 35 reps which shows commitment at least to lifting. Clowney isn't really a professional athlete he's a boy child. Andrew Bynum to use an NBA comp. he's got every gift you can want except tenacity. And in the end that's all that matters. agree, clowney belongs in the playground. wasn't Mario Williams also a 4.47 guy, also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Mario Williams put up 35 reps which shows commitment at least to lifting. Clowney isn't really a professional athlete he's a boy child. Andrew Bynum to use an NBA comp. he's got every gift you can want except tenacity. And in the end that's all that matters. Or, Robert Quinn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 3 cone and shuttle were tight. But not a finished product, doesn't fit every system and needs to add strength. A little Mingo, John Abe esque got me thinking 8-12 and then maybe he just slides a little bit as an off chance teams are looking at other positions. Not overly/freaky explosive via vert and broad. Yeah, I've read a ton of stuff that rips him, then you read the anonyscout (my term) saying that he's a lock top-ten guy. I guess we'll see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 I like Barr, but something keeps screaming Dion Jordan to me. I'd rather have Mack than pretty much anyone not named Clowney. IIRC, Jordan didn't have a ton of production at Oregon and was always going to be a project. I recall Mayock being super-excited that he could back-pedal, as if that's a great predictor of anything. I don't know how Barr will turn out, but I think there's a lot of smoke thrown up around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Or, Robert Quinn Interestingly, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, and Christian Ponder were all taken before Robert Quinn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted February 24, 2014 Share Posted February 24, 2014 Interestingly, Jake Locker, Blaine Gabbert, and Christian Ponder were all taken before Robert Quinn. If you had to bet your house on Bortles, Bridgewater, Manziel or Clowney becoming an All Pro player, which one are you betting on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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