slats Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 A rich man's Tebow. Probably more fun to party with. Plus, you can rest a drink on his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 I don't disagree with your assessment of those players, my point is simply that if your benchmark is three of the NFL's all-time greatest busts, you're really setting it exceptionally low. There's plenty of unbelievably awful players who wanted to win far more than any of them; desire does not ensure capability. I agree, but "not caring" does ensure failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Can he throw like s starting caliber NFL quarterback ? It has to be sure fire, cant miss deal if the JETS have to trade up. I dont seem him as such. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 ****sake peoples love affair with Johnny boy is as bad as tebow Have a few more shots and you will be loving the dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishing92070 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 He is quick and elusive. Not a fast straight line runner that will out run you. He better learn how to slide or throw the ball away when in trouble. Can see him being a fumbler the way he holds the ball too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 ****s sake, this is all Chad Pennington's fault... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Jamarcus Russell, a #1 pick could care less. Ryan Leaf, a #2 pick could care less. Jeff George, a freak for talent could care less Yes, their are guys out there that want it and want to win way more than others. Manziel is one of those. He willed those Texas A+M teams to victory. Oh no, INTANGIBLES, there I said it. Excellent point. Manziel was very Ken Dorsey like in his ability to win games in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Jamarcus Russell, a #1 pick could care less. Ryan Leaf, a #2 pick could care less. Jeff George, a freak for talent could care less Yes, their are guys out there that want it and want to win way more than others. Manziel is one of those. He willed those Texas A+M teams to victory. Oh no, INTANGIBLES, there I said it. And I'm sure that they said as much during their interviews. Plus I guarantee you every one of those 3 self-absorbed dickheads wanted to win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 And I'm sure that they said as much during their interviews. Plus I guarantee you every one of those 3 self-absorbed dickheads wanted to win. They did? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 Excellent point. Manziel was very Ken Dorsey like in his ability to win games in college. Wow, a Ken Dorsey reference. The Trent Dilfer and Rob Johnson of College QB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 They did? I'm sure they wanted to win any game they played in, yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 I'm sure they wanted to win any game they played in, yes. I got the feeling that once they got their 50 mill guaranteed, that Bro's and Ho's became more important to these guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I got the feeling that once they got their 50 mill guaranteed, that Bro's and Ho's became more important to these guys. A lot of people "got the feeling" that Manziel valued his own off-field activities too much. See how easy that was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LWC611 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I am not a fan of Manziel....I think his game is great for college. However, when there is not a significant difference in the quality of athlete from week to week I do not think he will be able to makes the plays he was able to make in college. Heisman Trophy winning QBs do not tend to fare well in the pros....I think it is a curse... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 A lot of people "got the feeling" that Manziel valued his own off-field activities too much. See how easy that was?Could be, but as long as he's great ON the field, ala Joewillie, Big Ben, Kenny Stabler, and other dudes, that like a good time, then I'm fine with it. Its the guys like I mentioned that were awful ON the field that I don't want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 I am not a fan of Manziel....I think his game is great for college. However, when there is not a significant difference in the quality of athlete from week to week I do not think he will be able to makes the plays he was able to make in college. Heisman Trophy winning QBs do not tend to fare well in the pros....I think it is a curse... Knicks need a new point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LWC611 Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Knicks need a new point. They do and a few other pieces....can the kid dribble? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Knicks need a new point. hahaha But Charlie wasn't pigeon-holed into one sport because of a trademarked nickname. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 hahaha But Charlie wasn't pigeon-holed into one sport because of a trademarked nickname. Johnny Knick sounds awfulJohnny Jet however would be on the front of 5 gazillion t-shirts (gold freaking mine) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 johnny won't be there at 10 which is where trading up starts to become feasible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted February 28, 2014 Author Share Posted February 28, 2014 johnny won't be there at 10 which is where trading up starts to become feasible. Ron Jaworski says he's a 4th rounder, and Phil Simms thinks his son is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 28, 2014 Share Posted February 28, 2014 Polite. Like the part where he left early without telling anyone? LOL I ran through this thread to see if there was a response and it was conveniently disregarded, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I am not a fan of Manziel....I think his game is great for college. However, when there is not a significant difference in the quality of athlete from week to week I do not think he will be able to makes the plays he was able to make in college. Heisman Trophy winning QBs do not tend to fare well in the pros....I think it is a curse... Interesting so I went back 30 years to see how it really looks because I feel the same but didn't trust my memory. Flutie Testeverde Andre Ware Detmer Toretta Ward Wuerffel Weinke Crouch Palmer Jason White (Who?) Leinart Troy Smith Tebow Bradford Newton RG III God that is a horrible list. Testeverde, Palmer and Newton (maybe Bradford and RG III but it's early) are the only guys out of those 17 that have made any mark on the NFL. If you want to count Tebow and his one (entertaining) playoff win, go ahead. But it's safe to say the Heisman is not a strong predictor of QB greatness in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 LOL I ran through this thread to see if there was a response and it was conveniently disregarded, of course. Yeah, Manziel has almost reached Tebow-like levels of divisiveness among the posters. People mostly either love him or dislike him strongly. I just think the possibility he's Doug Flutie with a bad attitude is too high to risk a first round pick on him. (yes, I know he's taller than Flutie was, but so is everyone else in the league compared to that time). I accept the possibility he could prove me wrong but I'd hate the pick if Idzik made it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 Interesting so I went back 30 years to see how it really looks because I feel the same but didn't trust my memory. Flutie Testeverde Detmer Toretta Ward Wuerffel Weinke Palmer Jason White (Who?) Leinart Troy Smith Tebow Bradford Newton RG III God that is a horrible list. Testeverde, Palmer and Newton (maybe Bradford and RG III but it's early) are the only guys out of those 15 that have made any mark on the NFL. If you want to count Tebow and his one (entertaining) playoff win, go ahead. But it's safe to say the Heisman is not a strong predictor of QB greatness in the NFL. I see you conveniently left out the one that won 2 Superbowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I see you conveniently left out the one that won 2 Superbowls. The list I looked at was badly formatted. I actually missed at least two that I added back in. Crouch and Ware. Whoever you're referring to (Plunkett? Staubach?) are more than 30 years ago. I decided to draw a line somewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Villain The Foe Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Sounds a lot like Tebow. Tebow's better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 The list I looked at was badly formatted. I actually missed at least two that I added back in. Crouch and Ware. Whoever you're referring to (Plunkett? Staubach?) are more than 30 years ago. I decided to draw a line somewhere. No problem. I know, its been awhile, and the last few have been awful. Somehow, I don't see Johnny Jet or Famous Jamies, adding to the latest "legacy". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 Interesting so I went back 30 years to see how it really looks because I feel the same but didn't trust my memory. Flutie Testeverde Andre Ware Detmer Toretta Ward Wuerffel Weinke Crouch Palmer Jason White (Who?) Leinart Troy Smith Tebow Bradford Newton RG III God that is a horrible list. Testeverde, Palmer and Newton (maybe Bradford and RG III but it's early) are the only guys out of those 17 that have made any mark on the NFL. If you want to count Tebow and his one (entertaining) playoff win, go ahead. But it's safe to say the Heisman is not a strong predictor of QB greatness in the NFL. Charlie Ward would of been w Brady and Manning. Jmo. IMO greatest college QB I've ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 Charlie Ward would of been w Brady and Manning. Jmo. IMO greatest college QB I've ever seen. Really, the reason this list is so long and distinguished is because the idiotic Heisman voters ALWAYS feel that they have to choose a frigging QB, when many, many of those years, the best player was NOT a QB, and in some cases it was not even close. Just going back a few years, NDAMAKHAN SUH was by far the best player his year. AND if you want to go to the GREATEST ripoff in Heisman history, go back to the year 1971, when a terrible QB named PAT SULLIVAN from Auburn was voted the winner over clearly the best player in the nation that year who finished runnerup and his name was : ED MARINARO RB CORNELL UNIVERSITY GO BIG RED. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I'm more concerned that his acrobatics are going to get his knee blown out if I'm a GM more than anything he's saying on a staged interview with Gruden. I don't see him going as high as people think. The athleticism in this league is good enough to catch him on these plays he's making in college Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 I am not a fan of Manziel....I think his game is great for college. However, when there is not a significant difference in the quality of athlete from week to week I do not think he will be able to makes the plays he was able to make in college. Heisman Trophy winning QBs do not tend to fare well in the pros....I think it is a curse... Johnny will get crushed in the pros if they let him run around. His Barry Sanders routine is bad because Pro O lineman get their legs torn up blocking in 1 direction and then suddenly unbeknown to them the play is going in the other direction. The other thing is that he has Brett Farve in him throwing the ball up in triple coverage with a hope and prayer that his guy will catch it. Watch him go to the Browns. The kiss of death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 Johnny will get crushed in the pros if they let him run around. His Barry Sanders routine is bad because Pro O lineman get their legs torn up blocking in 1 direction and then suddenly unbeknown to them the play is going in the other direction. The other thing is that he has Brett Farve in him throwing the ball up in triple coverage with a hope and prayer that his guy will catch it. Watch him go to the Browns. The kiss of death. A "strike" against him is because he has a future 1st ballot HOF in him? Wow, I hope he also has some bad traits from Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. That would be awful, wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lizard King Posted March 1, 2014 Share Posted March 1, 2014 A "strike" against him is because he has a future 1st ballot HOF in him? Wow, I hope he also has some bad traits from Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. That would be awful, wouldn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewillie78 Posted March 1, 2014 Author Share Posted March 1, 2014 Instead of some ridiculous cartoon inference, why not try writing a well thought out response? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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