MatthewPLP Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 If that Pats get Revis for a 5th round pick.... How would you view the trade Idzik made last year? The same? Bad move? Good move? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jets80 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Still has to be viewed as a good move. We landed Sheldon Richardson because of the deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 im confused. are you asking if having the best player from the 2013 draft better or worse than losing out on one year of a rehabbing revis and then losing him anyway and getting nothing in return? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Still has to be viewed as a good move. We landed Sheldon Richardson because of the deal. the Jets could have kept Revis and still gotten Sheldon Richardson. They basically traded Revis for cap space, Milliner and that conditional 3rd/4th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Same. Team gained the best player in the draft last year, wiped $12M of prior Revis bonus off the books, and saved an additional $13M/year (on top of what was cleared) to have Richardson over the prior Revis demands. Tampa merely showed that your team can still be awful with a $16M/year CB so it is a poor use of cap space. As a result, Revis won't get a deal like that again. But had he stuck out the season on a team expected to be bad, his present demands might have been the same as a year ago. Even more so with a little lift in the cap limit. If Revis signs with NE then he signs with NE. If they give up a 5th rounder it would mean they're agreeing to pay him $16M/year. I'm good with that. It might even be worth it for them as they watch the Brady window slowly closing. Possible, but it's unlikely. Revis isn't $6M/year better than Talib was, and they could have locked him up some time ago if they valued the position that highly. They also let Samuel go when his dollars got into that upper CB stratosphere. If he signs with NE it will most likely be as a FA. He's as likely (if not more likely) to end up here again as over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 the Jets could have kept Revis and still gotten Sheldon Richardson. They basically traded Revis for cap space, Milliner and that conditional 3rd/4th. You're back to doing this? Revis wanted $16M/year. We weren't giving it to him, meaning he was leaving the team in '14 for the top bidder, and Milliner was higher on their list than Richardson. No trade, no Richardson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 If that Pats get Revis for a 5th round pick.... How would you view the trade Idzik made last year? The same? Bad move? Good move? Idzik got a 1st and 4th (minimum) for a guy coming off an injury, who this year the Buccaneers can't get anything for, after a season+ of rehab and healthy play. Doesn't matter if he ends up with the Pats. Idzik fleeced TB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Idzik got a 1st and 4th (minimum) for a guy coming off an injury, who this year the Buccaneers can't get anything for, after a season+ of rehab and healthy play. Doesn't matter if he ends up with the Pats. Idzik fleeced TB. What, do you want Aboushi starting at CB? Woody's cheap and he's cash-poor. And Revis was never really looking for $16M/year (which would have hit our cap at $19M/year until the 2017 season). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Jets'll be in a tough spot with Revis covering Kerley twice a year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Idzik got a 1st and 4th (minimum) for a guy coming off an injury, who this year the Buccaneers can't get anything for, after a season+ of rehab and healthy play. Doesn't matter if he ends up with the Pats. Idzik fleeced TB. To be fair, the reason the Bucs can't get anything for Revis has nothing to do with Idzik fleecing TB and everything to do with Revis fleecing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewPLP Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 Same. Team gained the best player in the draft last year, wiped $12M of prior Revis bonus off the books, and saved an additional $13M/year (on top of what was cleared) to have Richardson over the prior Revis demands. Tampa merely showed that your team can still be awful with a $16M/year CB so it is a poor use of cap space. As a result, Revis won't get a deal like that again. But had he stuck out the season on a team expected to be bad, his present demands might have been the same as a year ago. Even more so with a little lift in the cap limit. If Revis signs with NE then he signs with NE. If they give up a 5th rounder it would mean they're agreeing to pay him $16M/year. I'm good with that. It might even be worth it for them as they watch the Brady window slowly closing. Possible, but it's unlikely. Revis isn't $6M/year better than Talib was, and they could have locked him up some time ago if they valued the position that highly. They also let Samuel go when his dollars got into that upper CB stratosphere. If he signs with NE it will most likely be as a FA. He's as likely (if not more likely) to end up here again as over there. Defintely a stupid move to give him 16 mil a year, but I'd pay him 10 or 11 mil no problem. He simply better than anyone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MatthewPLP Posted March 12, 2014 Author Share Posted March 12, 2014 Jets'll be in a tough spot with Revis covering Kerley twice a year. Revis would probably be in double coverage on 2 jets wideouts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 the Jets could have kept Revis and still gotten Sheldon Richardson. They basically traded Revis for cap space, Milliner and that conditional 3rd/4th. C'mon. They still would have drafted Milliner at 9. He was top player on their board. No matter what happens with Revis it was still a good trade. Who knows what kind of player Revis will be this year. Think he will be good, but I doubt we will ever see the 2009 Revis again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJoe12 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Well, looks like we found someone to pick up the slack from 78's absence. And here I thought JW12 was going to have to do it all on his own. Bravo good sir. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Defintely a stupid move to give him 16 mil a year, but I'd pay him 10 or 11 mil no problem. He simply better than anyone else. He was in 09-10. He wasn't last year, who knows where he will be this year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Revis would probably be in double coverage on 2 jets wideouts. i was about to write you off but then you go and totally redeem yourself with a gem like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dolphann4life Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Richardson wasn't even better than Kiko Alonso. He certainly isn't better than Revis. Now add on Revis possibly signing with the Pats and it's a complete disaster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro55 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 You're back to doing this? Revis wanted $16M/year. We weren't giving it to him, meaning he was leaving the team in '14 for the top bidder, and Milliner was higher on their list than Richardson. No trade, no Richardson. Yeah but they don't take Milliner if Revis is still on the team. They probably trade down, gain a 3rd round pick, and still wind up with Richardson. It really was more of a Revis for Milliner and save cap space kind of deal. People just look at it as Richardson though, when in reality, if that was their BAP, he would have been that with or without Revis. Jets don't take Milliner with Revis & Cromartie on the team. But they didn't want to lose him for nothing, Woody grew tired of his threatened hold outs and demands and he was shipped to Tampa. If they bring Revis back and pay him $14 Million, I'm not sure what the point of the trade was really. Scared he was hurt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Jets'll be in a tough spot with Revis covering Kerley twice a year. But that leaves um um um Stephen Hill, and David Nelson, who's going to cover them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nycdan Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Richardson wasn't even better than Kiko Alonso. He certainly isn't better than Revis. Now add on Revis possibly signing with the Pats and it's a complete disaster. If you stamp your foot while you say it, that makes it true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jettington Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I honestly do not see the sky as falling if Revis goes to the Patriots, their cap situation isn't very good. If they want to sign him for 13 mil or something like that, GO AHEAD. As far as I'm concerned I'd rather see Revis on their team, than have them use that money to bring in stars on offense. Let Brady keep throwing to Gronkowski and no names. Let Revis eat their cap, we will still have a better defense. His impact will not be as noticeable as people think, they already had a top CB in Talib, Revis is better yes, but how many more wins does Revis get them compared to having Talib? I'm not even sure 1 more win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Why would the Pats sign Revis for a ton of money after letting Talib go? Revis is older and a known contract abuser. Plus Revis misses Rex. Reunion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Jets don't take Milliner with Revis & Cromartie on the team. Using that logic they probably don't take Richardson with Wilkerson and Coples on the team, either. Right? People praised the Richardson pick because the team seemed to stay true to their board regardless of their needs. If that was true, it's probably also true that they had Milliner rated higher than Richardson, and would've taken him no matter where Revis played in 2013. And keep on mind, too, that if the Jets hadn't traded Revis, Revis was going to walk this year. The Jets were gonna take Milliner regardless. Without the trade, they don't have Richardson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ylekram Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Richardson wasn't even better than Kiko Alonso. He certainly isn't better than Revis. Now add on Revis possibly signing with the Pats and it's a complete disaster. I was rooting for ya, but you are losing leverage with comments like this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro55 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Using that logic they probably don't take Richardson with Wilkerson and Coples on the team, either. Right? People praised the Richardson pick because the team seemed to stay true to their board regardless of their needs. If that was true, it's probably also true that they had Milliner rated higher than Richardson, and would've taken him no matter where Revis played in 2013. And keep on mind, too, that if the Jets hadn't traded Revis, Revis was going to walk this year. The Jets were gonna take Milliner regardless. Without the trade, they don't have Richardson. The Jets weren't taking Milliner with Revis on the team, regardless if they could work out a deal or not. People would have went nuts and Revis probably holds out during the season. They did the smart thing by trading him away, but with Revis on the roster, Milliner wouldn't be on the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ZachEY Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Richardson wasn't even better than Kiko Alonso. So, you're starting a franchise, you have the choice of the two, you're honestly going with Alonso? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 To be fair, the reason the Bucs can't get anything for Revis has nothing to do with Idzik fleecing TB and everything to do with Revis fleecing them. Yes, but with that established well before he arrived in TB ... it makes it that much more impressive that Idzik got what he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 The Jets weren't taking Milliner with Revis on the team, regardless if they could work out a deal or not. People would have went nuts and Revis probably holds out during the season. They did the smart thing by trading him away, but with Revis on the roster, Milliner wouldn't be on the Jets. People went nuts when they drafted Richardson, and they didn't care. That's no argument. They took Milliner ahead of Richardson because they had hm rated higher than Richardson. That was their pick. And if they had Revis in the last year of his deal, it was still a position of need, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dolphann4life Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 So, you're starting a franchise, you have the choice of the two, you're honestly going with Alonso? You can't go wrong with either one. I just think statistcally Alonso was better. He also became the leader of that defense without question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Yeah but they don't take Milliner if Revis is still on the team. They probably trade down, gain a 3rd round pick, and still wind up with Richardson. It really was more of a Revis for Milliner and save cap space kind of deal. People just look at it as Richardson though, when in reality, if that was their BAP, he would have been that with or without Revis. Jets don't take Milliner with Revis & Cromartie on the team. But they didn't want to lose him for nothing, Woody grew tired of his threatened hold outs and demands and he was shipped to Tampa. If they bring Revis back and pay him $14 Million, I'm not sure what the point of the trade was really. Scared he was hurt? I disagree. Revis was on the last year of his contract. Wilson (who wasn't exactly awesome his first 2 seasons) would be gone a year after that. And Cromartie, while coming off an excellent season, was not entering the prime career years for a CB and only had 2 years remaining himself. We'll never know with 100% certainty, but Idzik claimed they were going to stick with their board and Milliner was the top player available on their board. On paper, the Jets didn't need a DT for the next 4+ years any more than they needed a CB. Throw into the mix that no one - Idzik included, it seems - viewed the Jets as true contenders in 2013. Idzik was drafting for 2014 and beyond, not for 2013. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 Jets'll be in a tough spot with Revis covering Kerley twice a year. Just means David Nelson is gonna be runnin' free!!!! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 You can't go wrong with either one. I just think statistcally Alonso was better. He also became the leader of that defense without question. Oh, so Alonso had 3 or more rushing TDs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dolphann4life Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I was rooting for ya, but you are losing leverage with comments like this Your suggesting that it isn't even close comparing 2nd round pick Kiko Alonso to top 15 pick Sheldon Richardson? Kiko was the leader of the buffalo defense as a rookie. Top 3 in Tackles and top 6 in Ints in the league. His stats are impressive and he could easily have been DROY. Thats not taking anything away from Sheldon who is a beast i might add. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted March 12, 2014 Share Posted March 12, 2014 I think he's more likely to end up with Miami than NE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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