AFJF Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 http://www.nfl.com/draft/2015/mock-drafts/bucky-brooks/245603?campaign=Facebook_cfb_brooks Jets take Beasley at #6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FloridaJetsFan Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Bucky needs to lay off the sauce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 STOP THE PRESSES Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prime21 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 If that's the case and he's falling could he be the BPA and heir apparent to Eli? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOZ THE JET Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Bucky needs to lay off the sauce. Is that the same guy who had Todd Gurley going at 6 to the Jets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 Is that the same guy who had Todd Gurley going at 6 to the Jets? Not sure...has him going 26th to Balt now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I think he is caught up with the wild rumor of Brees being traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 I think he is caught up with the wild rumor of Brees being traded. I think it's more speculation that Mariota could be groomed while Brees is still in place. N.O. would be crazy to trade him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaJet Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Mariotta wont make it past 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FidelioJet Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Mariotta wont make it past 6 He won't make it past 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Matt Millerfwiw has Mariota at 2, with the Jets first four picks being: 1. Fowler, 2. Melvin Gordon, 3. Rob Havenstein, 4. Garrett Grayson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Also, Mariota sucks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 Also, Mariota sucks. I thought it would be a huge mistake to take Mariota a few weeks ago with Geno as the only other QB on the roster. With Fitz in the fold, it gives them a guy who should be able to play well enough that the fans won't be screaming for Mariota by week 3. Since he'd actually have a legit chance to sit and learn I wouldn't be as upset about it as I would have before if it was going to be Mariota and Geno. That being said, a project QB at six is still a huge gamble. I'd prefer a safer bet with an edge rusher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Here's my prediction: Although I do not see us getting him even if he's on the board at @ 6, I don't think Marcus Mariota makes it past us. I really do think we trade back with the Browns or the Eagles if he'd available. I think a lot of the teams are more interested in Mariota than they appear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I thought it would be a huge mistake to take Mariota a few weeks ago with Geno as the only other QB on the roster. With Fitz in the fold, it gives them a guy who should be able to play well enough that the fans won't be screaming for Mariota by week 3. Since he'd actually have a legit chance to sit and learn I wouldn't be as upset about it as I would have before if it was going to be Mariota and Geno. That being said, a project QB at six is still a huge gamble. I'd prefer a safer bet with an edge rusher. I think it'd be insane for a new regime to saddle itself with a major project QB like this, though. If Chip Kelly or Sean Payton want to take it on, more power to them. If Mariota fails, he takes everybody down with him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Jets aren't picking Mariota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 I think it'd be insane for a new regime to saddle itself with a major project QB like this, though. If Chip Kelly or Sean Payton want to take it on, more power to them. If Mariota fails, he takes everybody down with him here. You could be right, but I think the fact that there's not a single analyst or draftnik out there who says he'll be ready within the first couple of seasons could help the FO. It could actually buy the current regime more time. If Fitz is here to fill a spot while Mariota comes along it gives them 1-2 years to teach him, then a year or two of watching him fail or succeed before the heat gets turned up. Again, I want to be clear in saying I don't want them to take the guy because too many questions for a no. 6 overall pick, just saying the situation now is better than it was a couple weeks ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Mariota is going 2. either to Titans or a trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Have you guys watched mariota in college? Someone told me 33% of his passing plays went to the first read. That seemed like an understatement when I actually watched him play it was more like 75% of his passes were either designed tag passes or screens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 Have you guys watched mariota in college? Someone told me 33% of his passing plays went to the first read. That seemed like an understatement when I actually watched him play it was more like 75% of his passes were either designed tag passes or screens. That's what I didn't like about him. I heard all the hype so I watched a few games. He may turn out to be the greatest QB of all time, but you wouldn't know it from watching him in college. All I saw were screen passes and the ability to play catch with his receivers while DB's trailed 10-15 yards away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GREENBEAN Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I think it'd be insane for a new regime to saddle itself with a major project QB like this, though. If Chip Kelly or Sean Payton want to take it on, more power to them. If Mariota fails, he takes everybody down with him here. Yeah but that's fear based thinking. I would hope (assuming they like Mariota at all) that they would welcome the challenge of molding an uber athletic guy into a success. That they believe in their ability to coach up players. Not shy away and stick with a Fitz type of QB because they don't want to sink the ship. You're like a scared little girl with her pink dress saying "don't hurt me" . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 That's what I didn't like about him. I heard all the hype so I watched a few games. He may turn out to be the greatest QB of all time, but you wouldn't know it from watching him in college. All I saw were screen passes and the ability to play catch with his receivers while DB's trailed 10-15 yards away. If you watch the tape anytime he has to make more than one read he struggles. Most famous example is when he threw the pick in the first half in the playoff game vs Fl St. Bryce Petty has the same thing. And I don't want to hear "Chan Gailey has the spread offense" ultimately in the nfl you have to make 3-4 reads successfully otherwise you suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 That's what I didn't like about him. I heard all the hype so I watched a few games. He may turn out to be the greatest QB of all time, but you wouldn't know it from watching him in college. All I saw were screen passes and the ability to play catch with his receivers while DB's trailed 10-15 yards away.And so, you can't really blame teams for passing on him because college tape and anything they use to analyze the players suggests he isn't ready. Could prove everyone wrong. Plenty have done it.. But still. You go for the sure fire in the first and try your hardest in the 2,3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 Yeah but that's fear based thinking. I would hope (assuming they like Mariota at all) that they would welcome the challenge of molding an uber athletic guy into a success. That they believe in their ability to coach up players. Not shy away and stick with a Fitz type of QB because they don't want to sink the ship. You're like a scared little girl with her pick dress saying "don't hurt me" . That's why Gailey's hiring made me think Mariota was more of a possibility. Bring in a guy who has done good work with young QB's in the past and vet to hold the spot in the meantime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 And so, you can't really blame teams for passing on him because college tape and anything they use to analyze the players suggests he isn't ready. Could probe everyone wrong. Plenty have done it.. But still. You go for the sure fire in the first and try your hardest in the 2,3. Exactly how I feel...at number six overall it'd be tough to take a guy who you know is going to be asked to do a million things that he's never done before. Maybe the guy turns out to be the next Steve Young, I don't know. However, with that high first rounder, grab a guy who you've seen excel at the things you want him to be able to do at the pro level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 If you watch the tape anytime he has to make more than one read he struggles. Most famous example is when he threw the pick in the first half in the playoff game vs Fl St. Bryce Petty has the same thing. And I don't want to hear "Chan Gailey has the spread offense" ultimately in the nfl you have to make 3-4 reads successfully otherwise you suck. Very true...but people fall in love with stats and scoreboards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I will not be happy if we pass on Cooper. Vic Beasley really Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Very true...but people fall in love with stats and scoreboards. Mariota and Petty both had excellent combines too. They're both great athletes neither one will be a great nfl qb or even good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Mariota and Petty both had excellent combines too. They're both great athletes neither one will be a great nfl qb or even good.Spread offense IS used in the NFL but at a college level it stunts growth. It takes away the experience the QB needs to ecel at the next level, imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I will not be happy if we pass on Cooper. Vic Beasley really Cris Carter loves Cooper and compared him to Randy Moss. That's all i need to know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Cris Carter loves Cooper and compared him to Randy Moss. That's all i need to know. LOVE Cooper. And the radiers are the type of dummies to fall in love with whites speed and athleticism over Coopers smooth route running and hands... Not to mention Cooper isn't slow. 4.3 is NOT slow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Spread offense IS used in the NFL but at a college level it stunts growth. It takes away the experience the QB needs to ecel at the next level, imho Teams have enough speed at the pro level to counter spread offense. You can zone blitz or bump and run. You need multiple different formations. Look at Brady and manning they don't play out of one base offensive set. Chip Kelly has yet to win a playoff game in the nfl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drdetroit Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 LOVE Cooper. And the radiers are the type of dummies to fall in love with whites speed and athleticism over Coopers smooth route running and hands... Not to mention Cooper isn't slow. 4.3 is NOT slow. I agree I can see that happening. Ghost of Al. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot Killa Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Teams have enough speed at the pro level to counter spread offense. You can zone blitz or bump and run. You need multiple different formations. Look at Brady and manning they don't play out of one base offensive set. Chip Kelly has yet to win a playoff game in the nfl. Exactly. I'm very skeptical of Chip Kelly and his offense. Offenses to model after definitely are teams like Green Bay,Colts, Arizona.. They are all pro style who can do a little of everything. Chip Kelly won't last long and he'll most likely die out in the NFL with the spread offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 Exactly. I'm very skeptical of Chip Kelly and his offense. Offenses to model after definitely are teams like Green Bay,Colts, Arizona.. They are all pro style who can do a little of everything. Chip Kelly won't last long and he'll most likely die with the spread offense. Kelly's offense reminds me of the old Bills and Oilers teams that ran the run and shoot. Scored plenty of points but never won a ring. Could it be that their defenses were that worn out by the time they'd played their 17th/18th/19th game while spending 40+ minutes on the field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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