Maxman Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Well...here is what Todd Bowles had to say about Allen. On how he envisions using Antonio Allen this season… He’s playing safety for us this year. On what he has seen from Allen so far this year… He’s athletic. In shorts and a t-shirt he runs around well. He has a passion for the game and he’s a very brash guy which is a good thing in football. You need some swagger. We’ll see if that carries over to the summer. On whether he envisions using Allen on the line or off the ball… Both of our safeties are going to be up and back. It’s going to be a mixture, honestly. He’s athletic enough to play up front and he’s tough enough to play up front, but he is a versatile guy. He can do a lot of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Straw Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Antonio Allen is a tough guy to figure out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Jets fan Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Ask Rex, that's who will be coaching him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Allen will be slated and labeled as a Safetry, but he's IDEAL as a roaming LB for blitzes and coverage schemes in Dime packages. He can cover a 4th WR or an athletic TE split out wide or play the run and blitz sufficiently for a 3rd sting safety. He'll be a ST ace and a hell of a weapon for Bowles' blitzes in sub-packages. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roscoeword Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 remember after that first game of the year against Oakland , we thought we found our cornerback in him. Didn't exactly pan out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetscrazey Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 The deficiencies in the secondary totally stunted Allen's development last season. Truthfully, it wasn't really fair to him. I hope Allen will revert to his 2013 role - a guy who can match up against beast TEs man-to-man. We play Gronk twice a year and AA is the prototypical guy to cover Gronk. He's tall, long, athletic, strong, and a sure tackler. There is definitely a place on this team for him. Bowles was a safety so he should help his development. I project the team's active roster safeties will be Gilchrist, Pryor, Allen, Jarrett, and maybe Rontez Miles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 We know this, whoever gets cut from our safety positions will be heading right up the road to Buffalo. Like someone else said Bowles was a safety so I'm sure he knows how to coach that group. I expect our defense to be better as the year progresses & they all gel together. It's gonna be pretty hard to put long drives together with this group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYs Stepchild Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 The deficiencies in the secondary totally stunted Allen's development last season. Truthfully, it wasn't really fair to him. I hope Allen will revert to his 2013 role - a guy who can match up against beast TEs man-to-man. We play Gronk twice a year and AA is the prototypical guy to cover Gronk. He's tall, long, athletic, strong, and a sure tackler. There is definitely a place on this team for him. Bowles was a safety so he should help his development. I project the team's active roster safeties will be Gilchrist, Pryor, Allen, Jarrett, and maybe Rontez Miles. They brought in Gilcrhrist to cover TEs. Allen was the best we had, but still not very good. I have a feeling Miles is going to make it impossible to cut him, and Allen, or Jarret will be heading north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 You need some swagger. Discuss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSU_Jet Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 We should keep AA on the team just for the purpose of covering Gronkowski twice a year. Take out Gronkowski and Brady doesn't really have any weapons to beat us with. Who else on that team is going to beat the Jets secondary? Julian f'ng Edelman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 We should keep AA on the team just for the purpose of covering Gronkowski twice a year. Take out Gronkowski and Brady doesn't really have any weapons to beat us with. Who else on that team is going to beat the Jets secondary? Julian f'ng Edelman? Skrine was brought in here to mirror that little sh*t all over the field! By the way, Cros criticism of Sherman staying on one side of the field is so true. Rex has always said if you don't mix up your defenses vs Brady he'll kill you. The Seahawks prided themselves on just LINING UP and playing the same defense. There hutzpa was their downfall. They weren't playing Arizona, the depleted 49ers, or the QB lacking Rams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 They brought in Gilcrhrist to cover TEs. Allen was the best we had, but still not very good. I have a feeling Miles is going to make it impossible to cut him, and Allen, or Jarret will be heading north. How do you figure that they brought in 5'10 195 Marcus Gilchrist to cover the Te's . Seems like he was brought in to play Fs , so C Pryor could play Ss. Antonio Allen has size 6'1 210 to be a better matchup against the Te's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSU_Jet Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Everybody on this defense has a role, which really sets it apart from past defenses. It seems that the Jets were always incapable of defending against some type of position or scheme. Last year it was receivers due to poor CB, the years prior the linebackers were too slow to cover tight ends. For once it looks like we have a specialist or strength to cover just about any threat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 The deficiencies in the secondary totally stunted Allen's development last season. Truthfully, it wasn't really fair to him. I hope Allen will revert to his 2013 role - a guy who can match up against beast TEs man-to-man. We play Gronk twice a year and AA is the prototypical guy to cover Gronk. He's tall, long, athletic, strong, and a sure tackler. There is definitely a place on this team for him. Bowles was a safety so he should help his development. I project the team's active roster safeties will be Gilchrist, Pryor, Allen, Jarrett, and maybe Rontez Miles. 2014 was a total throwaway year for Allen due to Ryan jerking him around between CB and S. With the amount of secondary players Bowles uses to cover spread formations, Allen can write his own ticket if he absorbs the playbook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Skrine was brought in here to mirror that little sh*t all over the field! By the way, Cros criticism of Sherman staying on one side of the field is so true. Rex has always said if you don't mix up your defenses vs Brady he'll kill you. The Seahawks prided themselves on just LINING UP and playing the same defense. There hutzpa was their downfall. They weren't playing Arizona, the depleted 49ers, or the QB lacking Rams. If Seattle ran M Lynch at the one yard line they would have won back to back championships. That despite having defense players playing severly hurt . ( no where near their peak) That Seattle defense and Richard Sherman Deserve all the praise they get.( they are that good). Now I will say this can Richard Sherman play in every system. I don't think so , but he a great fit what the Seahawks ask their cb's to do. ( in their system he the top cb in the game). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I'm not sure why, but reading those quotes from Bowles on Allen it sounds like he doesn't like him much. I think what he said about Williams and Walls sounded much more positive. If Seattle ran M Lynch at the one yard line they would have won back to back championships. That despite having defense players playing severly hurt . ( no where near their peak) That Seattle defense and Richard Sherman Deserve all the praise they get.( they are that good). Now I will say this can Richard Sherman play in every system. I don't think so , but he a great fit what the Seahawks ask their cb's to do. ( in their system he the top cb in the game). They deserve all the praise for giving up 325 yards passing and 4 TDs? I guess maybe the coach just had them unprepared? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I'm not sure why, but reading those quotes from Bowles on Allen it sounds like he doesn't like him much. I think what he said about Williams and Walls sounded much more positive. They deserve all the praise for giving up 325 yards passing and 4 TDs? I guess maybe the coach just had them unprepared? You do realize they lost a couple of their key secondary players in that game due to injury. Those players were healthy , your talking about total different defense. their three big guns in the secondary were all battling injuries( Sherman, Kam Chancellor and Earl Thomas). That like going to a gun fight without bullets. Patriots don't come anywhere close to those numbers, if those players are healthy . That is a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSU_Jet Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 If Seattle ran M Lynch at the one yard line they would have won back to back championships. That despite having defense players playing severly hurt . ( no where near their peak) That Seattle defense and Richard Sherman Deserve all the praise they get.( they are that good). Now I will say this can Richard Sherman play in every system. I don't think so , but he a great fit what the Seahawks ask their cb's to do. ( in their system he the top cb in the game). You really think Revis couldn't do just as well or better than Sherman in their system? Revis would have it even easier than Sherman has it now, since Revis would only have to lock down the best receiver in front of him, not just the best receiver all game like he does now. Revis' numbers would explode in a system like Seattle's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 You do realize they lost a couple of their key secondary players in that game due to injury. Those players were healthy , your talking about total different defense. Patriots don't come anywhere close to those numbers. That is a fact. No. That is conjecture. They gave up 320 yards passing and 4 touchdowns through the air. Those are facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 You really think Revis couldn't do just as well or better than Sherman in their system? Revis would have it even easier than Sherman has it now, since Revis would only have to lock down the best receiver in front of him, not just the best receiver all game like he does now. Revis' numbers would explode in a system like Seattle's. No I don't because the Revis Island cb he was a couple years ago doesn't exist anymore. He still a top tier cb, just no where near the best cb in the game anymore . Sooner or later happens to every single cb at some point in their career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 FWIW, Brees dropped 300 on them in the playoffs in 2013. Sherman was already claiming how great he was in 2012 when Brady dropped like 400 on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 No. That is conjecture. They gave up 320 yards passing and 4 touchdowns through the air. Those are facts. No were the players I mention hurt . ( E Thomas, K chancellor , and r Sherman). That wasn't the same Seattle defense the Patriots saw in the Super Bowl. That is the fact. e Thomas and Chancellor are the glue that makes that secondary the dominating unit it's been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 No were the players I mention hurt . ( E Thomas, K chancellor , and r Sherman). That wasn't the same Seattle defense the Patriots saw in the Super Bowl. That is the fact. e Thomas and Chancellor are the glue that makes that secondary the dominating unit it's been. October 12, 2012. Starting Sherman-Browner-Trufant-Chancellor-Thomas. Tom Brady: 36-58-395-2-2 Also, if the safeties are so important, how does that support Sherman vs. Revis? Revis was a stud with Kerry Rhodes, Eric Smith, Jim Leonhard, and Brodney Pool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Possibly in a Deon Buchannon type role...hybrid lb/ safety? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raideraholic Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 and October 12, 2012. Starting Sherman-Browner-Trufant-Chancellor-Thomas. Tom Brady: 36-58-395-2-2 Also, if the safeties are so important, how does that support Sherman vs. Revis? Revis was a stud with Kerry Rhodes, Eric Smith, Jim Leonhard, and Brodney Pool 2012 the Seattle defense was just starting to find itself, and was being tweaked to the unit it has become the last couple of years( a clear sign of defense brilliance is the amount of copy cats of that defense that have emerged around the league, and Dc who have jobs today in part because of that system). Again all any player can do is what a defense asks from them . ( not about any indivial, but creating something collectively as a group). that Seattle defense the last couple of years, has been the benchmark what a lot of defense strive to become. I know because the Raiders defense is being built on the Seattle model. ( with couple of there own ideas thrown in). What you have to understand is there is a different criteria between what The Seattle/ Raiders are looking for in their cb's, than what the jets are looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 and 2012 the Seattle defense was just starting to find itself, and was being tweeted to the unit it has become the last couple of years( a clear sign of defense brilliance is the amount of copy cats of that defense that have emerged around the league, and Dc who have jobs today in part because of that system). Again all any player can do is what a defense asks from them . ( not about any indivial, but creating something collectively as a group). that Seattle defense the last couple of years, has been the benchmark what a lot of defense strive to become. I know because the Raiders defense is being built on the Seattle model. ( with couple of there own ideas thrown in) In 2012, they were the #1 defense in points against and #4 in yardage and got torched. What do you consider the Seattle model? They seem to have a very specific physical profile that they want. They use some "advanced metrics" to analyze and generally don't go outside their parameters. That is mainly what I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 11, 2015 Author Share Posted June 11, 2015 They brought in Gilcrhrist to cover TEs. Allen was the best we had, but still not very good. I have a feeling Miles is going to make it impossible to cut him, and Allen, or Jarret will be heading north. They tendered Jarrett, I was surprised by that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxman Posted June 11, 2015 Author Share Posted June 11, 2015 2014 was a total throwaway year for Allen due to Ryan jerking him around between CB and S. With the amount of secondary players Bowles uses to cover spread formations, Allen can write his own ticket if he absorbs the playbook My hope is that this year of CB boot camp actually helped him in some way. I know it is more likely that it hurt his progress, that is why this is just my hope. Such a physical player...I do think Bowles will put him in a good position to make plays. And not on an island at CB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SickJetFan Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 The world needs ditch diggers too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetmech Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 No I don't because the Revis Island cb he was a couple years ago doesn't exist anymore. He still a top tier cb, just no where near the best cb in the game anymore . Sooner or later happens to every single cb at some point in their career. LOL. BTW this is the third time I LOL regarding your Revis BS. When will you stop? Were you the same guy who thought Nnamdi was better than Revis? Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetster Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 I'm not sure why, but reading those quotes from Bowles on Allen it sounds like he doesn't like him much. I think what he said about Williams and Walls sounded much more positive. Interesting. Bowles comes from the Parcells tree. Don't dismiss the fact that Walls & Williams were vilified last year. Bowles is trying to pick up the confidence in those 2. I bet you he sees something in AA that he likes & knows he can push him a little more now that he'll have him back at safety. That's the old, "let's not put him in Canton" speech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shockwave Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 Ask Rex, that's who will be coaching him. Antonio Allen >>>> Calvin Pyror. In coverage. In turnovers. In hitting. So just about anywhere. This guy has linebacker speed. Hits hard and plays excellent coverage for a LB/S. But for some reason we decided to make him cover AJ Green like hes Revis or somthing. Rex is dumb. This guy is the perfect safety hybrid that can cover TE's and help in the run. He needs to be a starter instead of pyror. If its a fair competition Allen is winning all day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 REX DID NOT PUT HIM ON A ******* ISLAND LIKE HE WAS REVIS! He was used like a cover who CB, and was supposed to keep the ball in front of him and make the tackle. He did it very well the first week. Teams started to spread him out and he was exposed. They moved him back to safety and he blew some assignments in zone. He's done that in the past. It's true that we don't always know what the assignment is, the 50 yard TD to Vereen at the start of the first Pats game was blatant and obvious, in a game we lost by 2. He is an interesting player, but let's stop acting like every guy that showed some promise was being held back by tehRex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 For what it is worth, Allen was benched as a CB after he was beaten like a drum in the first half against KC. He was covering the TE, Kelce. Walls was hurt, but the next week the Jets started Marcus Williams and Philip Adams and held Pittsburgh to 13. Roethlisberger got his yards, but not points. I think it shows more that Rex was able to scheme around these players short term, but sooner or later their deficiencies will show and they are exposed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 remember after that first game of the year against Oakland , we thought we found our cornerback in him. Didn't exactly pan out. He was going against a rookie QB playing his first EVER NFL game. No wonder he looked pretty good. He is better suited as a safety and I think he is better in space than Calvin Pryor who looked awful in coverage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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