SenorGato Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 8 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Justice Mosqueda,who is pretty good had a nice writeup on Bosa....compared him to Gato's boy Ayers. Gato's boy Ayers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 2 hours ago, PatsFanTX said: Gotta love the "MON" reference. He's worse than a Valley Girl with that stupid $hit. For real. When a guy keeps up with an incessant schtick for years on the Internet, it can get all sorts of annoying right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 27, 2016 Author Share Posted February 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Gato's boy Ayers? Didnt you like Robert Ayers coming out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Goff looks fantastic. Holy sh*t. Trading up to 1 has gotta be a pipe dream, right? Tennessee holds all the leverage with Cleveland definitely taking a QB at 2. Price to get up to that is going to be insane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 Just lame 1st impressions of the throwing at the combine, brisette looked good, goff and wentz looked good, I didn't think cook looked that good to be honest. Allen looked pretty good. Wr and te class stinks to high heaven. Overall i think this is a poor draft, has some depth but has whole sets of positions that look weak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 37 minutes ago, Matt39 said: Didnt you like Robert Ayers coming out? You're thinking of Akeem Ayers* *Not to brag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 22 minutes ago, Beerfish said: Just lame 1st impressions of the throwing at the combine, brisette looked good, goff and wentz looked good, I didn't think cook looked that good to be honest. Allen looked pretty good. Wr and te class stinks to high heaven. Overall i think this is a poor draft, has some depth but has whole sets of positions that look weak. Poor draft for sure, DL is very rich and there are some good Cb's and OL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 47 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said: Goff looks fantastic. Holy sh*t. Trading up to 1 has gotta be a pipe dream, right? Tennessee holds all the leverage with Cleveland definitely taking a QB at 2. Price to get up to that is going to be insane. Honestly it depends on what the Titans want and whether the Jets think Goff is worth that price. If so, then there might be a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted February 27, 2016 Share Posted February 27, 2016 17 minutes ago, SenorGato said: Honestly it depends on what the Titans want and whether the Jets think Goff is worth that price. If so, then there might be a match. If football was played without Defenses Kyle Boller would be in HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohio State NY Jets fan Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Agree Wentz looked good, looks like him and Goff will be the first two QB's off the board Slow times for the Wr's, a few of those guys should have stayed another year to develop TE Nick Vannett looked good for a 3rd or 4th round pick and TE David Morgan could be a later round sleeper pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 3 hours ago, afosomf said: game tape to me tells me he is a career backup at best Then you don't know how to watch tape. Many NFL scouts think he can be a solid starter. His performance today didn't do anything to hurt that opinion. I'll stick with they think. 3 hours ago, afosomf said: and BTW i was right on Cooper being best wr in draft. Reaaaaaally went out on a limb there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Mogglez said: Then you don't know how to watch tape. Reaaaaaally went out on a limb there. Ummm Tony the wizzer had cooper in late 1st rd, i do not felate every bammer player. I have henry in 2nd rd not 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 19 minutes ago, afosomf said: Ummm Tony the wizzer had cooper in late 1st rd, i do not felate every bammer player. I have henry in 2nd rd not 1st. Really, because in one his final posts before the 2015 draft he had Cooper going 4. Also, there were plenty of people who believed (and still do) that Kevin White was the better receiver to take in the top 5. Hell, he might still be, considering that he is still recovering from and injury. Consensus was you couldn't really go wrong but White was the one with massive upside but Cooper was the safer pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Mogglez said: Really, because in one his final posts before the 2015 draft he had Cooper going 4. Also, there were plenty of people who believed (and still do) that Kevin White was the better receiver to take in the top 5. Hell, he might still be, considering that he is still recovering from and injury. Consensus was you couldn't really go wrong but White was the one with massive upside but Cooper was the safer pick. Ummm look at earlier posts, i had many arguments with this bloke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 also look at his comment ( i would not draft him there) his mock had cooper in high twenties Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, afosomf said: Ummm look at earlier posts, i had many arguments with this bloke. Just now, afosomf said: also look at his comment ( i would not draft him there) his mock had cooper in high twenties I saw his earlier posts. That wasnt really a "mock" that had Cooper going in the twenties, that was his 2015 offensive rankings thread that discussed where he would personally take the player. Much different than saying where you truly believe the player was going to go. I JUST posted his LAST post before that draft discussing who he expects to go top 5 and he had Cooper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 44 minutes ago, Mogglez said: I saw his earlier posts. That wasnt really a "mock" that had Cooper going in the twenties, that was his 2015 offensive rankings thread that discussed where he would personally take the player. Much different than saying where you truly believe the player was going to go. I JUST posted his LAST post before that draft discussing who he expects to go top 5 and he had Cooper. well his rankings were a tad bit off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Persiussa Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Everyone messes up evaluations. You guys are being harsh. Mel kiper on the first draft podcast a few weeks ago was asked if he went back to the tape on Ryan leaf to see if he could find anything wrong with him and kiper emphatically said he would make the exact same mistake on leaf today. people should stick true to their evaluations because draft picks only pan out 50% of the time anyway. Your as likely to be right as you are wrong. I personally had kevin white over cooper because he high pointed the ball and fought well for it in traffic. Coopers tape was all separation and I thought those windows would close at the nfl level. I was wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 11 minutes ago, Persiussa said: Everyone messes up evaluations. You guys are being harsh. Mel kiper on the first draft podcast a few weeks ago was asked if he went back to the tape on Ryan leaf to see if he could find anything wrong with him and kiper emphatically said he would make the exact same mistake on leaf today. people should stick true to their evaluations because draft picks only pan out 50% of the time anyway. Your as likely to be right as you are wrong. I personally had kevin white over cooper because he high pointed the ball and fought well for it in traffic. Coopers tape was all separation and I thought those windows would close at the nfl level. I was wrong. Exactly. It's also been 1 year and White didn't play so I'd venture to say it's a bit early. I respect someone ten times more if they truly believe something that goes against conventional wisdom and stick to their guns. Hell of a lot more than the guy that runs back a year later screaming "I told you so" about a generally consensus view of a relatively "safe" player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 48 minutes ago, afosomf said: well his rankings were a tad bit off Yeah, and what if White plays next season and absolutely tears it up. Then what? Do I get to hound you about how you were wrong and hold it against you when discussing other prospects? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbatesman Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 2 hours ago, Mogglez said: Then you don't know how to watch tape. Teach me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mogglez Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 2 minutes ago, dbatesman said: Teach me Select. Watch. Observe. Someone in this thread seems to struggle with doing that. Look, I'm not screaming my head off to draft Cook, but to say his tape says "career backup" and no chance of anything more is ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 25 minutes ago, Mogglez said: Yeah, and what if White plays next season and absolutely tears it up. Then what? Do I get to hound you about how you were wrong and hold it against you when discussing other prospects? feel free to, white is also 2 yrs older than coop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 This is why I've more or less stopped talking about the draft. Holy ****. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTownsell1 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 From what I saw, I stand by my opinion that Tyler Boyd will be one of the top 2 or 3 WRs that come out of this draft. I know he isn't ranked that high (some have him ranked 6-8th best WR), but whoever gets him will end up with a Pro Bowl WR early on in his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Powpow Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 On 2/26/2016 at 1:48 PM, JiF said: Screw the RB's. Next season you can chose from Fournette, McCaffery, Chubb, Cook, Gallman, Freeman, Hurd, Hood, Perine. It could be the best RB class since god knows when. I wouldnt be surprised to see the 4 in bold go in the 1st round alone. Procise in round 4 - he will be there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 12 hours ago, Mogglez said: "WHO scouts like Tony" if your gonna pick a quote to ridicule, don't cherry pick it. If that's your goal than stick to your usual lurking. I don't always agree with Tony but he is dedicated to what he does. Website, twitter, and is better connected to teams than most on this forum. You know who else has a website, Twitter, and is better connected to teams than most on this forum? Turtle. CBNY can barely spell scout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gas2No99 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Day 2 NFL Combine winners and losers By Bucky Brooks NFL Media analyst Published: Feb. 27, 2016 at 05:36 p.m. Updated: Feb. 27, 2016 at 09:32 p.m. 685 Likes | 53 Comments Email Print Read Discuss Former NFL player and scout Bucky Brooks is spotlighting the prospects who make a mark -- for better or worse -- at the 2016 NFL Scouting Combine. On Saturday, the quarterbacks, wide receivers and tight ends took the field. Here are Brooks' impressions from Indianapolis: RELATED: Bucky Brooks' winners and losers in Friday's workout (offensive linemen and running backs). Winners Jared Goff, Cal, QB: The polished pocket passer put on a strong showing to cement his status as the top quarterback in the 2016 class. Goff showed exceptional footwork and mechanics making throws in passing drills. Most importantly, he consistently put the ball within the strike zone while flashing the ability to change ball speeds and trajectory on his throws. Given the importance coaches and scouts place on accuracy and ball placement, Goff's impressive exhibition, in my estimation, makes him the front-runner at the position heading into the pro-day circuit. Will Fuller, WR, Notre Dame: The speedster is squarely in the conversation as a first-round pick after displaying better-than-anticipated hands and ball skills in drills. Fuller's pass-catching skills were questioned by scouts heading into the combine, but he answered those concerns with his solid performance on the turf. With Fuller displaying extraordinary explosiveness and athleticism (4.32-second 40, 33.5-inch vertical, and 10-6 broad jump), his stock is on the rise. Josh Doctson, WR, TCU: The ultra-productive pass-catcher has all of the tools to be a WR1 at the next level, but questions surrounding his speed and explosiveness have prevented scouts from going all-in on his potential. After clocking a 4.50 40 on Saturday and showing better quickness than anticipated, Doctson has to be in consideration as the top wideout in this class. He is the best ball-adjuster in the draft, and his sticky hands stood out in drills. Doctson exhibited natural pass-catching skills and keen awareness. Laquon Treadwell, WR, Ole Miss:Treadwell made a strong case for the top spot at the position with a stellar performance on the turf. Although he didn't run a 40, he impressed scouts with his spectacular ball skills and strong hands. Treadwell snags the ball effortlessly with his 9 7/8-inch hands, exhibiting exceptional hand-eye coordination and tracking ability. He easily adjusted to balls thrown slightly off the mark, particularly deep throws along the boundary, which is a critical part of expanding the strike zone for the quarterback. With Treadwell also showing outstanding footwork, balance, and body control as a precise route-runner, he's a polished WR1 capable of making an impact from Day 1 in the NFL. Dak Prescott, QB, Mississippi State: The search for a viable option after the first two quarterbacks (Goff and Carson Wentz) makes Prescott an intriguing candidate. He was one of the top performers in passing drills, exhibiting outstanding accuracy, timing, and touch. He consistently put the ball on the mark on intermediate throws and showed a deft touch on vertical passes along the boundary. He also showed impressive footwork, balance, and body control when he dropped back, which shows growth after spending his entire college career operating from the shotgun. Considering Prescott's rock-solid intangibles and his impressive leadership skills, it's quite possible several teams could consider him a worthy candidate early on Day 2. NFL Scouting Combine Dates: Feb. 23-29TV: NFL Network and NFL Combine Live Participants | Top performers | Workouts Combine coverage: Winners and losers: Day 1 | Day 2 What's the buzz? Day 1 | Day 2 Debate: Combine's must-see prospects Mayockisms: Glossary of Mayock terms Decade's best combine performances 7 prospects with character concerns 5 questions to be answered at combine 11 potential combine workout freaks 2016 combine schedule of events Photos: Best of 2016 combine Mind-blowing stats for 2016 combine NFL players not invited to combine Combine through the years Losers Connor Cook, QB, Michigan State: The Spartans' star quarterback had an opportunity to make a move up the charts with a strong showing on Saturday but blew his chances for a surge up the board when he struggled with ball placement and accuracy in drills. Cook repeatedly missed receivers on routes with high and outside throws that landed well outside of the strike zone. While teams will certainly take Cook's injury into account, the fact that he continued to struggle with his ball placement confirms the questions about his accuracy based on his low completion percentage. Cardale Jones, QB, Ohio State: Jones suffered a strained hamstring while running the 40, which prevented him from showcasing his skills on the NFL's biggest pre-draft stage. He was expected to wow evaluators with his extraordinary arm strength, but the injury left him unable to perform passing drills. With his arm talent considered his most impressive trait, the freakish injury cost him a chance to move up draft boards at the end of the weekend. Sunday preview Defensive linemen get their chance to impress evaluators on the turf at Lucas Oil Stadium. Scouts are eagerly anticipating DT position drills. Many teams believe there are at least 10 interior defenders worthy of first-round grades. The players will have a chance to cement their status in front of a large contingent of personnel men. Alabama's A'Shawn Robinson and Jarran Reed will certainly garner attention as potential run-stoppers, but scouts will also pay close attention to Louisville's Sheldon Rankins, Louisiana Tech's Vernon Butler and UCLA's Kenny Clark to see if they are worthy of top status. At defensive end, Ohio State's Joey Bosa, Oregon's DeForest Buckner, Clemson's Shaq Lawson and Kevin Dodd will command attention as explosive pass rushers. Eastern Kentucky's Noah Spence will also attract interest from scouts looking for dynamic sack artists off the edge. Given the Denver Broncos' success on the strength of their pass rush, scouts will cast their eyes to the defensive line to find the next generation of difference-makers. Follow Bucky Brooks on Twitter @BuckyBrooks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 9 hours ago, HessStation said: This is why I've more or less stopped talking about the draft. Holy ****. I thought you stopped talking about the draft because being wrong all the time was starting to get expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 40 minutes ago, Miss Lonelyhearts said: I thought you stopped talking about the draft because being wrong all the time was starting to get expensive. It actually used to be really fun. It was a small community of nerds who were passionate about it but didn't take it too serious. I enjoyed it. It's dissolved into sh*t like everything else that gets too popular. btw, I won diamond earrings from that animal shelter I donated to! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge4Tide Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Joey Bosa doesn't really impress me too much on these DL workouts, the Buckner kid from Oregon impresses me. We don't have a shot at either one obviously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 1 minute ago, Sarge4Tide said: Joey Bosa doesn't really impress me too much on these DL workouts, the Buckner kid from Oregon impresses me. We don't have a shot at either one obviously Bosa will be there at 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 Sheldon Day going to be a great 2nd rounder for someone. Very athletic for a big man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge4Tide Posted February 28, 2016 Share Posted February 28, 2016 A'Shawn Robinson with a pedestrian 5.2 in his 1st 40 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted February 28, 2016 Author Share Posted February 28, 2016 13 hours ago, dbatesman said: Teach me Www.youtube.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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