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KRL

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This team in four games has regressed to "Ryanesque" levels of incompetence and that's scary.  Other
than Lachlan Edwards and the punt & kick coverage units everything else is failing:

- Fitzpatrick is proving what I and others on the board were wary of, he's a journeyman QB who can
have flashes of success but you can't trust him to lead your team.  Yes, he's from Harvard, he has
a funky beard and he wears his wedding ring when he plays but he's no more than a good backup who
has no respect for protecting the ball

- The elements of a badly coached team are when issues continue to be repeated and they don't get
cleaned up.  Well Bowles has entered that territory, I'm tired of seeing busted coverages and receivers
running free in the secondary.  I'm tired of seeing one yard WR screens going for 15 yards before anyone
tackles them.  It's amazing the no name receivers that have gotten easy catches (Uzomah?, Salas, McAvoy?,
Goodwin) and TD's this season.  What is PIT going to do to us next week?

- The defense should be ashamed of themselves and shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as the 
"Legion Of Boom".  Facing a QB with two bad legs and an OLine that has been awful they did nothing to
make Wilson uncomfortable.  All he did was hit his spot and either move up or down in the pocket
waiting for a receiver to break wide open.  Two years into the system and they are doing nothing to
impact the game.  At this point both Revis and Harris look to be shells of themselves and their reps
need to be cut back


Other Stuff

- Good job Winters, the OLine was playing decently until you head-butted Bennett, gave yourself a
concussion, drew a 15 yard penalty and left the game.  Brilliant, Qvale goes into the RG spot and
the pressure up the middle increases

- Thank goodness the front office didn't commit the mistake BUF did and give Fitzpatrick a long term
contract

- With Watt out in HOU I hope Maccagnan gauges their interest in Richardson.  If our season spirals
out of control maybe he can get a "Bradford haul" for him (#1 & #4)


 

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JiFtheOracle

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This is a roster loaded with talent and they look like a bunch of bumbling stumbling idiots with no clue how to play the game of Football.  The lack of game plan week in week out, is alarming.  It's literally like they line up at the LOS and starting point guys out, "I've got his guy, I've got 85, I've got the RB"...and then the ball is snapped and 2 guys are covering the same guy and some joe blow is running down the field wide open.  It's school yard sh*t.  On offense, its literally one read, who's got one on one coverage and throw the ball up.  **** it, run the same play 10 times.  You'll win eventually.  No ingenuity, nothing to throw the D off their game, nothing to make them think...just line up and beat the guy in front of you.  Oh and we're going to run on 2nd down every single time. 

Well, that doesnt work in the NFL because the other guys are pros too and they've spent an entire week focusing on how to stop you/beat you.  This isnt college where one team has 5 stars and the other 2 stars recruits. 

There is no urgency on this team.  There is no energy.  There is no passion.  **** sake, did you see the coaches press conference?  He was completely and utterly indifferent.  Literally, didnt care one bit.  It was aw-shucks, we'll get them next week.

What's the vision?  What's the identity?  Who does Bowles want this team to be?  Because right now, they're not even competitive and they dont do a single thing well and it doesnt make sense.  With the talent this team has, they should be one of the best teams in the NFL.  Never mind Fitz and that you're never really anything if he's your QB.  The rest of the roster should not be this terrible. 

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Just now, JiF said:

This is a roster loaded with talent and they look like a bunch of bumbling stumbling idiots with no clue how to play the game of Football.  The lack of game plan week in week out, is alarming.  It's literally like they line up at the LOS and starting point guys out, "I've got his guy, I've got 85, I've got the RB"...and then the ball is snapped and 2 guys are covering the same guy and some joe blow is running down the field wide open.  It's school yard sh*t.  On offense, its literally one read, who's got one on one coverage and throw the ball up.  **** it, run the same play 10 times.  You'll win eventually.  No ingenuity, nothing to throw an D off their game, nothing to make them think...just line up and beat the guy in front of you.  Oh and we're going to run on 2nd down every single time. 

Well, that doesnt work in the NFL because the other guys are pros too and they've spent an entire week focusing on how to stop you.  This isnt college where one team has 5 stars and the other 2 stars recruits. 

There is no urgency on this team.  There is no energy.  There is no passion.  **** sake, did you see the coaches press conference?  He was completely and utterly indifferent.  Literally, didnt care one bit.  It was aw-shucks, we'll get them next week.

What's the vision?  What's the identity?  Who does Bowles want this team to be?  Because right now, they're not even competitive and they dont do a single thing well and it doesnt make sense.  With talent this team his, they should be one of the best teams in the NFL.  Never mind Fitz and that you're never really anything if he's your QB.  The rest of the roster should not be this terrible. 

It is somewhat alarming to see the Seattle guys flying around the ball(most of which have been paid, too) while our defense just casually struts around. It's amazing how inept this franchise has been at forcing turnovers. 

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1 minute ago, Matt39 said:

It is somewhat alarming to see the Seattle guys flying around the ball(most of which have been paid, too) while our defense just casually struts around. It's amazing how inept this franchise has been at forcing turnovers. 

How can you create turnovers when you literally dont give a different look on D, ever?  It's straight man, zero coverage, blitz a safety every other passing down and boom, some slow ass DE or LB is caught in coverage on Jimmy Graham or Travis Kelce as if they dont even know who these guys are or they're allowed to come off the LOS.

You cant create turnover when you literally just line up and play man and never mix it up, every single time.  For **** sake.  They make it easy.  Anyone can beat man if you're facing it all day long and you have LB'ers in coverage on Jimmy ******* Graham.  Teams are already gearing up to get the ball out fast because of the DL and then that's you're game plan every single week?  With zero tweaks.  I mean, wtf? 

 

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Fact of the matter is, this roster is not very good no matter how much you want  to blame the CS.

Think back to the off season and discussions of who might step up this year.  Milliner, Amaro, M. Williams, Mauldin, Qvale, all were mentioned.  Imo the only two who really have stepped it up are Winters, who nonetheless had a really stupid play yesterday, and Enunwa, who is playing well but has had his drops, too.  The point is that only they have improved.  Meanwhile Decker will be out for a long time, Revis has lost a step, Harris is done, Fitz throws interceptions when the team gets behind, Forte is mediocre,  The DL is not getting to the Qb after the Bengals game.  The secondary blows.

And unless Petty comes through, there still is no medium to long term answer at Qb on the roster.

It's hard to look at that and say the roster is great.  Yes the CS is a problem.  But I frankly think it is both.

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20 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

And I disagree about the roster- its in that 5-10 win cluster. A lot of old, slow guys here.

Agreed.  Plus, a bunch of young guys who can't cover.  I can't recall when our secondary has allowed so many opponents' receivers to just run freely through coverages.

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18 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

It is somewhat alarming to see the Seattle guys flying around the ball(most of which have been paid, too) while our defense just casually struts around. It's amazing how inept this franchise has been at forcing turnovers. 

 

15 minutes ago, Matt39 said:

And I disagree about the roster- its in that 5-10 win cluster. A lot of old, slow guys here.

The roster is loaded.  

Revis, Harris are old and slow - who else?  

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11 minutes ago, Big Blocker said:

Fact of the matter is, this roster is not very good no matter how much you want  to blame the CS.

Think back to the off season and discussions of who might step up this year.  Milliner, Amaro, M. Williams, Mauldin, Qvale, all were mentioned.  Imo the only two who really have stepped it up are Winters, who nonetheless had a really stupid play yesterday, and Enunwa, who is playing well but has had his drops, too.  The point is that only they have improved.  Meanwhile Decker will be out for a long time, Revis has lost a step, Harris is done, Fitz throws interceptions when the team gets behind, Forte is mediocre,  The DL is not getting to the Qb after the Bengals game.  The secondary blows.

And unless Petty comes through, there still is no medium to long term answer at Qb on the roster.

It's hard to look at that and say the roster is great.  Yes the CS is a problem.  But I frankly think it is both.

You know if fitz actually puts points on the board the team wouldn't be always playing from behind. But your excuses sound nice though 

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Just now, Matt39 said:

Young and slow too. Gilchrist, Pryor, Revis, Mauldin...all slow

Gilchrist and Pryor's speed didnt hurt them last year.  They were both very solid and made plays. 

Revis I mentioned.  Maudlin plays 3 snaps a game.  Harris is a log.

The roster isnt the problem.

Probowlers at the LOS on both sides of the ball.  Lee looks the part.  Jenkins has speed.  Henderson is faster than Harris but doesnt play.  The secondary is a head scratcher. While they werent a great group last year, they were much better than we're seeing this year.  HOF RB and WR, with numerous additional weapons.  

The only team they've played who has more talent was yesterday and outside of QB, I'd take our offense any day.

Talent isnt the issue.

 

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4 minutes ago, JiF said:

Gilchrist and Pryor's speed didnt hurt them last year.  They were both very solid and made plays. 

Revis I mentioned.  Maudlin plays 3 snaps a game.  Harris is a log.

The roster isnt the problem.

Probowlers at the LOS on both sides of the ball.  Lee looks the part.  Jenkins has speed.  Henderson is faster than Harris but doesnt play.  The secondary is a head scratcher. While they werent a great group last year, they were much better than we're seeing this year.  HOF RB and WR, with numerous additional weapons.  

The only team they've played who has more talent was yesterday and outside of QB, I'd take our offense any day.

Talent isnt the issue.

 

As long as Fitz is there?  No.

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14 minutes ago, Big Blocker said:

For you it's all about Fitz.  That's why you contribute nothing here.

9 interceptions in two games, and outside of a good game against Buffalo, he has done nothing.  But you're right.  It's not Fitz.

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Thanks KRL. I said last week that Fitz should be benched for good. This team can't progress with him at QB. All teams make mistakes. That is ok. It is how you remedy the errors that counts.

I see complaints about the secondary, the defense overall. Well yesterday the NY'ers here got a good look at Sherman. He at times looked ordinary against Marshall. Wilson gave a clinic in QB'ing. He made up for the mistakes his D made. He never really tried Revis. 

He isolated with audibles at the LOS players whom Carroll felt were vulnerable. One poster said it right about the D covering other players like it is school yard football. The team looks unprepared. The roster is talented and has a lot more speed than last year. The best pass Wilson made was when he hit their big TE with 50 draped all over him. 

That is what a QB does. He makes plays. Plays that can cover the mistakes that the D will make. Neither team could run the ball yesterday. Both teams had their D make the QB win the game. The Jets do not have a QB in Fitz. They have a turn over machine. A weak armed, one read player who only sees Marshall.. 

Fitz did make a good throw to the TE who promptly dropped it. Then there were the assortment of near picks he made that clearly negate the drops. The OL is playing well. Thy did have some issues after Winters had his melt down. Clearly the refs were not making calls yesterday on both sides. 

If you want to know where you stand in the NFL you have to beat the big dogs of the league. The Jets will not have that ability until Fitz is no longer the starter. 

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I don't necessarily think that they have regressed that much but we are playing a tougher schedule and teams had a whole year to figure out our O and D. Remember that terrible string of losses last year? If it wasn't for that 8+ game winning streak we would have been picking in the top half of the draft last year.

I am not excusing the CS, but 10 wins was an illusion brought to us by a weak schedule, some luck, and some moxie.

We all knew that this year (particularly the start) was going to be rough. Granted, I didn't think it would be this rough. The Cincy game was the hardest loss as we had a chance in that one.

Gailey has to do something with the Offense. We are too conservative at first, and then we have to panic in the second half. Defense still can't cover TEs and still get burned for the big ball way too often.

Again, not a great team, but I am not sure how much we regressed. In my mind, we still have talent issues. DL has depth, WR looking very promising, we have a #1, #2, & #3 - the rest show potential, but are young and are going to make mistakes (look how raw Q looked last year). After that, OL is weak - we can't run and there is no real depth. LBs we still need another couple of LBs (including a sack specialist). Again Lee and Jenkins show promise, but are young need time to grow. We are soft at DB as well; Morris looks promising but is young. Safeties are not great either.

Certainly CS needs to step up, but for most people, this start isn't that surprising.

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2 minutes ago, bostonmajet said:

Certainly CS needs to step up, but for most people, this start isn't that surprising.

The record, no. the WAY we've lost seems like regression.

All these games SEEMED winnable during the game. It's been a bevy of mistakes lately. For example, I can accept Revis being beaten deep, but having receivers running WIDE OPEN is not acceptable.

the INTs, some are ok because they are going to happen and you can't cry about every one or gameplan to prevent them. But the sheer volume of them, many of which are just poor decisions or bad throws, is staggering.

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1 minute ago, phill1c said:

The record, no. the WAY we've lost seems like regression.

All these games SEEMED winnable during the game. It's been a bevy of mistakes lately. For example, I can accept Revis being beaten deep, but having receivers running WIDE OPEN is not acceptable.

the INTs, some are ok because they are going to happen and you can't cry about every one or gameplan to prevent them. But the sheer volume of them, many of which are just poor decisions or bad throws, is staggering.

Let's say we hold on to beat Cincy at 2-2 people would not be surprised. We got creamed by KC but we turned it over 8 times. 8 times, clearly this has nothing to do with the D. I seem to remember getting this badly beaten a few times last year (granted 6 INTs in a game is ridiculous). As soon as we start beating up on bad teams, everyone is going to claim that Bowles fixed the problems and that we are SB bound. But the truth is we are an average team; when we play good/great teams we get beat. If we make too many mistakes we get beat; if both happen on the same game we look like crap.

 

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37 minutes ago, bostonmajet said:

Let's say we hold on to beat Cincy at 2-2 people would not be surprised. We got creamed by KC but we turned it over 8 times. 8 times, clearly this has nothing to do with the D. I seem to remember getting this badly beaten a few times last year (granted 6 INTs in a game is ridiculous). As soon as we start beating up on bad teams, everyone is going to claim that Bowles fixed the problems and that we are SB bound. But the truth is we are an average team; when we play good/great teams we get beat. If we make too many mistakes we get beat; if both happen on the same game we look like crap.

 

We are a good team with a below average QB .  Until we fix that issue, we will remain where we are . Oh and starting a QB who's not ready for the NFL and forcing your scheme down his throat is not the way to fix it.  Geno was the way to go this year with Bryce Petty coming in if and when he fell flat on his face . A young experience QB who had 2 years in the same system followed by yet another young QB who has no pro experience, but also is going into his 2yr in the same system . That's how you find a QB, not by doing what the frill we have been doing for how ever long .

The truly amazing thing is it almost worked once, but the kid just couldn't stay healthy and we never drafted a capable contender while he was here .

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3 minutes ago, De-Jet-Erate/Duane said:

I knew on the opening drive yesterday when they had to settle for a field goal after eating up almost half of the first quarter that they were in trouble.

As did most knowledgeable fans. But then there were the other "the offense played damn well" contingent.

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