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1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

would people really want Mattingly? why? b/c he was a great player for a few years in the 80s? what has he done as a manager that we think he'd be better than Girardi?

 

He will command a lot of respect from the players, he was/is a Yankee icon for a lot of people.

I think Joe was ok, but he so went by his damn book.   After 10 years, sometimes people just need a change, I don't know how much Joe wanted to be back, it's a huge pressure cooker.  I don't think they did it to save money, the team has a 200 million dollar payroll, and they are trying to save 2 million with a cheaper manager?   That's 1% of payroll, and 1 playoff game probably makes most of that back.

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While I am not surprised Girardi is not coming back I am surprised it was the Yankees who decided to let him go.   10 years is a long time so it's a bit sad to see him go.  As for a replacement, I am guessing they will go with a younger manager obviously who uses analytics like the FO.  Names like Pedrique and Raul Ibanez come to mind.

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28 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

we are entertained when they win, I don't care who is in the dugout unless they are winning. Girardi deserved a ton of money and Managers money doesn't count against luxury tax.  The Yanks have plenty of money to afford him or any Mgr they want.

Thank you for letting me know who entertains me.  There is literally not a single word of this post that has a thing to do with what I said other than that you don't care who is in the dugout.  I do.  I prefer to root for people I like. 

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1 minute ago, chirorob said:

He will command a lot of respect from the players, he was/is a Yankee icon for a lot of people.

I think Joe was ok, but he so went by his damn book.   After 10 years, sometimes people just need a change, I don't know how much Joe wanted to be back, it's a huge pressure cooker.  I don't think they did it to save money, the team has a 200 million dollar payroll, and they are trying to save 2 million with a cheaper manager?   That's 1% of payroll, and 1 playoff game probably makes most of that back.

did he not command respect in LA and Miami? commanding respect is nice, winning is better.

I grew up in the Mattingly era, I loved him but to me he's a jinx.  Yanks made WS in 1981, next year Mattingly is called up. Mattingly retires after 1995, the next year the Yanks make the WS for the first time since 1981 then win 4 in 5 years.  Mattingly comes back in 2004 and they blow 3-0 lead and watch Sox win WS. Don leaves as a coach after 2007 and in 2009 they win another WS.

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3 minutes ago, chirorob said:

He will command a lot of respect from the players, he was/is a Yankee icon for a lot of people.

As someone who watches almost exclusively NL ball and has had more than his fair share of having to watch the god damn Dodgers and Marlins, that's going to go right out the window as soon as he has to make decisions that matter. Maybe he's better suited for the AL, but if you think Girardi's non-challenge was perplexing that doesn't compare to half the sh*t that Mattingly has pulled in the playoffs and situations that matter. He really is something awful and you guys should be staying faaaarrrr away.

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1 minute ago, #27TheDominator said:

Thank you for letting me know who entertains me.  There is literally not a single word of this post that has a thing to do with what I said other than that you don't care who is in the dugout.  I do.  I prefer to root for people I like. 

we all prefer to root for people we like but if the people we like don't win then how is that entertaining? 

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Just now, RutgersJetFan said:

As someone who watches almost exclusively NL ball and has had more than his fair share of having to watch the god damn Dodgers and Marlins, that's going to go right out the window as soon as he has to make decisions that matter. Maybe he's better suited for the AL, but if you think Girardi's non-challenge was perplexing that doesn't compare to half the sh*t that Mattingly has pulled in the playoffs and situations that matter.

I haven't seen him, I don't know if he is good or not.   It will get him some play early on, if he sucks, that will show up soon enough.

I'm just stating why someone would want to see him in NY.  Sometimes it's getting the coach in the right spot, Torre was "Clueless Joe" before he was a HOF manager.  Also, I agree baseball managers aren't as important as football, Torre early with the Yanks pushed all the right buttons, and always kept his cool and stood up to George.   Mattingly at least played here, and knows what it entails.

 

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7 minutes ago, chirorob said:

He will command a lot of respect from the players, he was/is a Yankee icon for a lot of people.

I think Joe was ok, but he so went by his damn book.   After 10 years, sometimes people just need a change, I don't know how much Joe wanted to be back, it's a huge pressure cooker.  I don't think they did it to save money, the team has a 200 million dollar payroll, and they are trying to save 2 million with a cheaper manager?   That's 1% of payroll, and 1 playoff game probably makes most of that back.

and by the way, players who weren't born when Mattingly was at his peak won't care or have that respect.  he was a great player for about a 5 year period, he's not a Hall of famer.  he's not Derek jeter or Mariano Rivera who these kids grew up idolizing. 

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4 minutes ago, chirorob said:

I haven't seen him, I don't know if he is good or not.   It will get him some play early on, if he sucks, that will show up soon enough.

I'm just stating why someone would want to see him in NY.  Sometimes it's getting the coach in the right spot, Torre was "Clueless Joe" before he was a HOF manager.  Also, I agree baseball managers aren't as important as football, Torre early with the Yanks pushed all the right buttons, and always kept his cool and stood up to George.   Mattingly at least played here, and knows what it entails.

 

I don't know man, the list of awful specifics and generalities with him is almost infinite. It's not a coincidence that the Dodgers became a better team as soon as he left and it's definitely not a coincidence that the Marlins have consistently fallen way short of expectations since he came on board. I get that Yankee fans worship the guy; like if the Mets had hired Mike Piazza to be manager this year I probably would have prematurely ejaculated all over my apartment and probably the entire god damn town, but with Mattingly there is an extensive track record that shows he legitimately does not know what he's doing. Some guys just aren't meant to be the head honcho.

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10 minutes ago, nyjunc said:

we all prefer to root for people we like but if the people we like don't win then how is that entertaining? 

Sounds like a frontrunner mentality.  You root your way, I will root mine.  Unless you own a PSL you don't get to tell me you're a better fan. 

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2 minutes ago, #27TheDominator said:

Sounds like a frontrunner mentality.  You root your way, I will root mine.  Unless you own a PSL you don't get to tell me you're a better fan. 

haha, yes I am a frontrunner.  Maybe we should hire Curtis Martin to take over for Bowles? John Starks can coach the Knicks, Mike Richter the Rangers, NE should hire Andre Tippett once BB quits, maybe the Mets should hire Doc Gooden? just so we have fan favorites to root for b/c that's what it's all about.

so b/c I wasn't stupid enough to buy a PSL and now get tickets at a fraction of the price I was paying 10 years ago it makes you a better fan?  how so?

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11 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

I don't know man, the list of awful specifics and generalities with him is almost infinite. It's not a coincidence that the Dodgers became a better team as soon as he left and it's definitely not a coincidence that the Marlins have consistently fallen way short of expectations since he came on board. I get that Yankee fans worship the guy; like if the Mets had hired Mike Piazza to be manager this year I probably would have prematurely ejaculated all over my apartment and probably the entire god damn town, but with Mattingly there is an extensive track record that shows he legitimately does not know what he's doing. Some guys just aren't meant to be the head honcho.

We'll see.   I have no idea who will get the job.   Like I said, I was just saying why Yankee fans would be excited.   At the end of the day, I'll be excited if they hire someone and they win a lot. 

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36 minutes ago, chirorob said:

We'll see.   I have no idea who will get the job.   Like I said, I was just saying why Yankee fans would be excited.   At the end of the day, I'll be excited if they hire someone and they win a lot. 

I don't know that any of the names out there excite me.  ARod intrigues me but who knows if he can handle this job?  I really feel like this time in 1995 when they didn't bring Buck back.  Torre wasn't an exciting hire but he turned out to be perfect.  I hope we get similar results w/ this next hire.

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1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

haha, yes I am a frontrunner.  Maybe we should hire Curtis Martin to take over for Bowles? John Starks can coach the Knicks, Mike Richter the Rangers, NE should hire Andre Tippett once BB quits, maybe the Mets should hire Doc Gooden? just so we have fan favorites to root for b/c that's what it's all about.

so b/c I wasn't stupid enough to buy a PSL and now get tickets at a fraction of the price I was paying 10 years ago it makes you a better fan?  how so?

Most Jets fans are!

I don't have a PSL either, so I am also not a TRUE fan.  

FWIW, I don't know who I would like at manager.  A-Rod seems to have the mentality, but I have been looking forward to getting away from that stigma for ages. I wasn't even that comfortable with his spring role and him acting like a "Yankee" on the postgame shows. 

Back when, I actually liked Dusty Baker for manager because I read a hitting book of his ages ago and it helped me.  OTOH, I was always more football and basketball so anyone probably could have helped me and he seems to be pretty bad at the top spot.

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1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

I don't know that any of the names out there excite me.  ARod intrigues me but who knows if he can handle this job?  I really feel like this time in 1995 when they didn't bring Buck back.  Torre wasn't an exciting hire but he turned out to be perfect.  I hope we get similar results w/ this next hire.

AROD?   No way.  After all the crap with his year suspension, and how much they hated each other, and I believe AROD threatened to sue until it was obvious he did it and he had to make amends.

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8 hours ago, RutgersJetFan said:

As someone who watches almost exclusively NL ball and has had more than his fair share of having to watch the god damn Dodgers and Marlins, that's going to go right out the window as soon as he has to make decisions that matter. Maybe he's better suited for the AL, but if you think Girardi's non-challenge was perplexing that doesn't compare to half the sh*t that Mattingly has pulled in the playoffs and situations that matter. He really is something awful and you guys should be staying faaaarrrr away.

100% agreed

The Yankees need to nail this next hire and Mattingly would be the opposite of that. 

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8 hours ago, chirorob said:

We'll see.   I have no idea who will get the job.   Like I said, I was just saying why Yankee fans would be excited.   At the end of the day, I'll be excited if they hire someone and they win a lot. 

It doubt it happens but I think Kevin Long would be an amazing fit for you guys. Tons of Yankee experience and relationships with the FO and after watching him on the Mets I think the guy is ready. I was hoping the Mets would hire him but we went with the pitching hire.

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9 minutes ago, RutgersJetFan said:

It doubt it happens but I think Kevin Long would be an amazing fit for you guys. Tons of Yankee experience and relationships with the FO and after watching him on the Mets I think the guy is ready. I was hoping the Mets would hire him but we went with the pitching hire.

Didn't he used to be the hitting coach?

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I wanted Girardi back, but I have to trust Cashman on this.  Cashman's rebuild has been extraordinary and he obviously has a pool of candidates in mind.  Reports are that Girardi clashed with Cashman over the years and their relationship deteriorated.  Cashman wanted someone in-sync with the FO and more personable to deal with the younger players now and soon-to-be coming up.

As to Mattingly, based on all the reports, there is not a chance in hell that Cashman would hire him.  He simply doesn't fit what Cashman is looking for: younger, personable, prior working relationship with Cashman and proponent of analytics.  Look at the guys already in the organization.  Bill Madden of the Daily News mentioned Josh Paul, the team's catching coordinator and Jay Bell, the Class A Tampa manager as high on the list.  

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22 hours ago, chirorob said:

AROD?   No way.  After all the crap with his year suspension, and how much they hated each other, and I believe AROD threatened to sue until it was obvious he did it and he had to make amends.

I'm not saying I want him just saying it intrigues me.  he did mentor a lot of those young players.  In the daily news today a writer mentioned Willie Randolph, he did it for typical Daily News reasoning but I would be behind Willie coming back to manage the Yanks.

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1 hour ago, nyjunc said:

I'm not saying I want him just saying it intrigues me.  he did mentor a lot of those young players.  In the daily news today a writer mentioned Willie Randolph, he did it for typical Daily News reasoning but I would be behind Willie coming back to manage the Yanks.

Curiously, I would be interested to see what player said that ARod "mentored" him. 

And Randolph, please. Did you not see what happened in the NL? Have at him.

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2 hours ago, Scott Dierking said:

Curiously, I would be interested to see what player said that ARod "mentored" him. 

And Randolph, please. Did you not see what happened in the NL? Have at him.

I would love to see Randolph win a World Series as Yankees manager just to drive you and other Mess fans insane

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With speculation that Girardi was fired for being old at 52, consider that Willie Randolph has been married as long as Alex Cora has been alive. I think he’s a quality manager, unlike say Mattingly, but a rough fit.

I wouldn’t be overly surprised if the Yankees poached Dave Martinez from the Cubs. Not sure how gung ho they are about promoting from within but Martinez would fit the whole young and familiar with the analytics thing. 

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45 minutes ago, Philc1 said:

I would love to see Randolph win a World Series as Yankees manager just to drive you and other Mess fans insane

So you are one of those Yankee fans that rather than getting the most satisfaction out of seeing your own team win, you would rather see other fans supposedly suffer from that . Thanks for confirming some of my thoughts of why some Yankee fans bandwagon on the bus.

You won't have the opportunity if Randolph comes on. Even though I believe that is a remote possibility. He is thin-skinned and cannot handle the NY media, nor take the heat away from his players. He deflects.

Someone will be walking into a nice situation, I will be surprised if it is Randolph.

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