HessStation Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 44 minutes ago, SenorGato said: If Luke Falk gets extremely lucky he is his 5th team’s Casey Keenum in 2024. That’s if we’re talking ceiling. Most likely he doesn’t even get there. Cool story thanks for sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 How are people so certain about what any of these guys are going to amount to in the NFL? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Just now, slimjasi said: How are people so certain about what any of these guys are going to amount to in the NFL? Were you just reading my mind? I love taking about the draft. I post more Jan-Apr than during the season bc, As a Jets fans it's the best part of the year. However there's always a couple posters who become insufferably indignant and obnoxious around this time too. Still fun though if you ignore the few know it alls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 8 minutes ago, HessStation said: Cool story thanks for sharing Oh and it’s heavily dependent on his ability to recover from a hand injury while mastering taking snaps under center against pros. Meeeeat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 4 minutes ago, slimjasi said: How are people so certain about what any of these guys are going to amount to in the NFL? Well no one is certain but they express their opinions strongly. There is nothing wrong with that if you own your comments later on, right or wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Just now, Beerfish said: Well no one is certain but they express their opinions strongly. There is nothing wrong with that if you own your comments later on, right or wrong. Agree. But, people always act so sure about this guy or that guy. I used to do that . . . And then Ryan Leaf happened (who I thought was going to be an awesome pro). As it turned out, I didn't realize how immature he was. I didn't realize that football wasn't that important to him. I didn't know him. As it turned out, I had no idea wtf I was talking about. And so it goes with the NFL draft . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, slimjasi said: How are people so certain about what any of these guys are going to amount to in the NFL? Because the baseline is that most prospects suck rather than make it, real people have made money off of researching the QB position in the draft, and generally the Luke Falks don’t make it. There’s a system inflated passer seemingly every year and outside of Keenum has anyone put up a good NFL season? Throw in that in this case the player comes pre-injured, maybe a couple other holes with experience... Also what Beerfish said Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimjasi Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 minute ago, SenorGato said: Because the baseline is that most prospects suck rather than make it, real people have made money off of researching the QB position in the draft, and generally the Luke Falks don’t make it. There’s a system passer inflated seemingly every year and outside of Keenum has anyone put up a good NFL season? Throw in that in this case the players comes pre-injured with no experience taking snaps under center... Also what Beerfish said The bolded is definitely true, but to me, character is always the big unknown. The stuff that makes Brady, Manning, and Brees who they are is mostly non-physical IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warfish Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 If we sign Cousins, drafting Falk in the 2nd (with out 2nd pick) wouldn't offend me. IF we used the top two picks on the O-line. We draft CB and LB/DE with our top two picks, we HAVE to go O-line with the next 2nd, so yeah. Of course as has been shown elsewhere (by me) 2nd Round Jets QB's are a lolworthy bagful of failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, SenorGato said: Oh and it’s heavily dependent on his ability to recover from a hand injury while mastering taking snaps under center against pros. Meeeeat the hand injury he played through all year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 12 minutes ago, HessStation said: the hand injury he played through all year. True, he did it at Washington State so what could go wrong in the course of an NFL career for a guy who never took a snap under center before the Senior Bowl? Supposedly it’s not the first time he’s injured that arm. Then there’s this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/76209814 Both before he gets to face Aaron Donald and co! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, SenorGato said: True, he did it at Washington State so what could go wrong in the course of an NFL career for a guy who never took a snap under center before the Senior Bowl? Supposedly it’s not the first time he’s injured that arm. Then there’s this: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/76209814 Both before he gets to face Aaron Donald and co! What is your point. Guess how many snaps Jared Goff took under center? 0 wentz took 1/4 in college. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 16 minutes ago, HessStation said: What is your point. Guess how many snaps Jared Goff took under center? 0 wentz took 1/4 in college. Interesting. How many times were Goff or Wentz boarded off the field with a head/neck/spine injury in college? How often did they do it a week after a previous head injury? How many season long injuries did they play with? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KRL Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Yes, people are overlooking Falk. Why? I guess because he doesn't come from a big time football school, he's on the West coast so his games were late and he doesn't have the biggest arm in the world. But he reminds me of Pennington before his arm injuries. I could see him sneaking into the end of the first round to a team with an older QB like NO, PIT or NE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 hours ago, SenorGato said: Interesting. How many times were Goff or Wentz boarded off the field with a head/neck/spine injury in college? How often did they do it a week after a previous head injury? How many season long injuries did they play with? If the injury has had sustainable long term affects I'm sure the NFL doctors would find it. I'm having a hard time figuring out your point. You don't like Falk? Cool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 2 hours ago, SenorGato said: Interesting. How many times were Goff or Wentz boarded off the field with a head/neck/spine injury in college? How often did they do it a week after a previous head injury? How many season long injuries did they play with? 14 minutes ago, HessStation said: If the injury has had sustainable long term affects I'm sure the NFL doctors would find it. I'm having a hard time figuring out your point. You don't like Falk? Cool. The answers are zero times and zero, Hess. Wentz and Goff were carried off the field with head/neck/spine injuries zero times and had zero season long injuries. I get that you love, are borderline obsessed with, Falk and see him as a potential top ten passer in the league like Cousins, but there are some big holes in his résumé. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlichtie Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 18 hours ago, k-met57 said: Same conference as Darnold. Good 2017 actually down a bit from 2016, but u take out the Cal game and you are looking at 30TD's vs 8 picks without all the Darnold fumbles. Threw a ton in college, over 600 attempts in 2016 knock on him seems to be arm strength, which as we know can be developed (see Tom Brady) and system...which....none of the college QB's took any snaps from under center...so that makes no sense. there is at least a decent chance this guy ends up being the best QB out of them, even if he is kind of boring compared to darnold and mayfield. https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/wsu-cougar-football/multiple-nfl-draft-analysts-agree-wsu-qb-luke-falk-has-impressed-on-and-off-the-field-during-senior-bowl-week/ His arm and especially release is way better than he gets credit for...deep ball accuracy still a question mark but other than that I think he looks terrific.even the Cal game a couple of those INTS were on freak plays(one I think was a fumbled shovel pass) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Jet Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 19 hours ago, New York Mick said: He’s skinny Has an average arm at best Stays in the pocket to long Stares at receivers Played in a spread offense Played in shotgun He sounds like a great choice if he’s available in the 5th sure why not Drafting him in the fifth would actually work out perfect, people will beg for him to start, then he finally will, after he shows he is not the QB of the future we will all have more to bitch and moan about how bad Mac at picking franchise qbs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rangerous Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 19 hours ago, New York Mick said: He’s skinny Has an average arm at best Stays in the pocket to long Stares at receivers Played in a spread offense Played in shotgun He sounds like a great choice if he’s available in the 5th sure why not idk. i do know i read somewhere that steve young thought he has great court awareness and has the ability to look at all the receivers not just the primary guy. not a first, second or even third rounder but maybe worth it in the lower rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philc1 Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 17 hours ago, NYs Stepchild said: No. Not drafting Falk is not the reason Mac should be fired. There’s only a thousand other reasons Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freemanm Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 17 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said: He might be solid but I doubt he'd be special. Put up numbers in a system where everyone put up numbers but I don't know if he has the arm talent for the NFL. Seems like a smart guy who would maximize his skill set. If god forbid we strike out on the top QBs and Cousins I'd be okay with him in the second round. Wow, that's a better review than Tom Brady got in 2000, yet Parcells is criticized in another thread for not taking Brady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New York Mick Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 1 hour ago, rangerous said: idk. i do know i read somewhere that steve young thought he has great court awareness and has the ability to look at all the receivers not just the primary guy. not a first, second or even third rounder but maybe worth it in the lower rounds. I haven’t seen him play outside of film but the biggest knock I’ve read is he’s light in the ass and stares at one side of the field or locks on a receiver. The other stuff I listed was an issue as well. He has an upside but is not worth a high pick when there’s other needs and better prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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