jgb Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 It’s actually strange. Almost always when a new GM comes in, the previous high drafted QB is on thin ice “not his guy” “new GM wants to put his stamp on organization.” Almost makes me think commitment to Darnold for first full season was as a condition of the job. But if Darnold puts up Sanchez numbers again in 2020 I do believe it’s adios and JD moves forward with “his guy.” Really strange that no one questions Darnold place. 1 15 6 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gibby Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 15 minutes ago, jgb said: It’s actually strange. Almost always when a new GM comes in, the previous high drafted QB is on thin ice “not his guy” “new GM wants to put his stamp on organization.” Almost makes me think commitment to Darnold for first full season was as a condition of the job. But if Darnold puts up Sanchez numbers again in 2020 I do believe it’s adios and JD moves forward with “his guy.” Really strange that no one questions Darnold place. Think you just did. ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Gibby said: Think you just did. ? I mean for non-Geniuses. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Daddy Wang Doodle Posted April 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2020 16 minutes ago, jgb said: It’s actually strange. Almost always when a new GM comes in, the previous high drafted QB is on thin ice “not his guy” “new GM wants to put his stamp on organization.” Almost makes me think commitment to Darnold for first full season was as a condition of the job. But if Darnold puts up Sanchez numbers again in 2020 I do believe it’s adios and JD moves forward with “his guy.” Really strange that no one questions Darnold place. Or maybe he actually likes Darnold as a player? Crazy thought, eh? 15 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, Daddy Wang Doodle said: Or maybe he actually likes Darnold as a player? Crazy thought, eh? Nevertheless, it's rare territory where a previous GM draft the right QB and gets the boot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 18 minutes ago, jgb said: Really strange that no one questions Darnold place. So I'm no one to you? I guess that's one less batch of quarantine cookies to make. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, TeddEY said: So I'm no one to you? I guess that's one less batch of quarantine cookies to make. You are an astute fan. Nothing in national media even contemplating that JD wants to "move forward with his guy." Can't think of another situation like this. I'm sure there must've been some but can't think of any. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Lupz27 Posted April 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2020 Nobody inside football questions Sam Darnold, it’s the ineptitude of the NY Jets that concerns people about Sam Darnold. 11 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, jgb said: Nevertheless, it's rare territory where a previous GM draft the right QB and gets the boot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post section314 Posted April 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2020 Do you really think that a guy like JD would leave a stable, successful, winning organization like the Eagles to come to this sh*thole if he at least didn't think he has a QB? C'mon, you are so much better than this. 11 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Samtorobby47 said: If Darnold becomes an elite player, does Macc get GM of the Year award again? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, jgb said: You are an astute fan. Oh, well, now someone's getting some extra snickerdoodles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post T0mShane Posted April 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2020 Darnold would likely be the first overall pick in this draft and he would have been the first overall last year easily. I get that Darnold has had his struggles, but he’s not a mush. 18 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, section314 said: Do you really think that a guy like JD would leave a stable, successful, winning organization like the Eagles to come to this sh*thole if he at least didn't think he has a QB? C'mon, you are so much better than this. Maybe, I don't know. Still think that's fool's gold. How many times has a QB performed poorly due to "bad situation" and suddenly become a stud later? Stud QB's elevate those around them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Or the main reason a universally respected career front office guy came to this god forsaken franchise 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, T0mShane said: Darnold would likely be the first overall pick in this draft and he would have been the first overall last year easily. I get that Darnold has had his struggles, but he’s not a mush. Yeah he would be first. But his career so far has been "meh." Can't think of a QB who went from "meh" to elite. Elite QBs elevate those around them. Darnold hasn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 1 minute ago, Larz said: Or the main reason a universally respected career front office guy came to this god forsaken franchise Then why fire the guy who picked the next elite QB? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 1 minute ago, T0mShane said: Darnold would likely be the first overall pick in this draft and he would have been the first overall last year easily. I get that Darnold has had his struggles, but he’s not a mush. I dunno. Qbase and PFF both ranked Kyler Murray better, and Kyler Murray had a better rookie campaign than Darnold has in either of his first 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 29 minutes ago, jgb said: It’s actually strange. Almost always when a new GM comes in, the previous high drafted QB is on thin ice “not his guy” “new GM wants to put his stamp on organization.” Almost makes me think commitment to Darnold for first full season was as a condition of the job. But if Darnold puts up Sanchez numbers again in 2020 I do believe it’s adios and JD moves forward with “his guy.” Really strange that no one questions Darnold place. Although a lot of guys will disagree with you the fact remains that if Darnold doesn't progress this season the FO will have to start thinking about the next steps. At that point he'd be 2 years away from making a ton of money even if he's just a slightly above average QB. You're talking $20-$25 million. They'd be reckless not to look at all options at that point. That doesn't mean he'd be gone after next year but you'd have to start looking at contingencies. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 1 minute ago, jgb said: Then why fire the guy who picked the next elite QB? You know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 I really miss the butt fumble. The thumbs down doesn't really energize me in the same way. I collected so many downvotes by questioning Sanchez and Geno. Sometimes being right just has to be its own reward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 1 minute ago, CTM said: I dunno. Qbase and PFF both ranked Kyler Murray better, and Kyler Murray had a better rookie campaign than Darnold has in either of his first 2. Yeah, but he’s also 5’8” and will be a Kansas City Royal in five years 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Yeah, but he’s also 5’8” and will be a Kansas City Royal in five years haha, but I think Mahommes, Watson and LJ are redefining what a QB is "supposed" to look and play like. Doubt Kyler Murray goes #1 as recently as 5 years ago. Plus Kyler was Kingsbury's guy from day 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RedBeardedSavage Posted April 13, 2020 Popular Post Share Posted April 13, 2020 3 hours ago, jgb said: It’s actually strange. Almost always when a new GM comes in, the previous high drafted QB is on thin ice “not his guy” “new GM wants to put his stamp on organization.” Almost makes me think commitment to Darnold for first full season was as a condition of the job. But if Darnold puts up Sanchez numbers again in 2020 I do believe it’s adios and JD moves forward with “his guy.” Really strange that no one questions Darnold place. I don't understand the skepticism with Darnold. It's fair to delay judgment, but I don't understand the serious thought 'he might not be our guy'. LOL, I guess just the 'sanchez numbers again' line annoyed me. If Darnold had that o-line and Thomas Jones, or hell, even one of these four: Santonio, Braylon, Keller or J Co (Jerricho would be the best receiver on this team right now...) - I'm not sure we could even conceivably have this discussion. That said, I understand that in some respect, I'm making excuses. But like most things in life, context matters. Anyways, no offense, just that Sanchez comparison ticked me off. 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said: I don't understand the skepticism with Darnold. It's fair to delay judgment, but I don't understand the serious thought 'he might not be our guy'. LOL, I guess just the 'sanchez numbers again' line annoyed me. If Darnold had that o-line and Thomas Jones, or hell, even one of these three: Santonio, Braylon, Keller or J Co (Jerricho would be the best receiver on this team right now...) - I'm not we could even conceivably have this discussion. That said, I understand that in some respect, I'm making excuses. But like most things in life, context matters. Anyways, no offense, just that Sanchez comparison ticked me off. It's possible both the OL and Darnold are not good. Every QB who played behind a bad OL isn't automatically an elite QB in in disguise. Luke Falk played behind same OL. Maybe he's a stud we need to give him a better supporting cast! I don't understand those who are not skeptical of Darnold. Been a Jets fan too long to count chickens before the eggs hatch. Verify then trust when it comes to this team. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, jgb said: Maybe, I don't know. Still think that's fool's gold. How many times has a QB performed poorly due to "bad situation" and suddenly become a stud later? Stud QB's elevate those around them. Totally agree with you on this. I will admit, I worry about Sam becoming the guy we are all hoping for. The Dolphin game in Miami, the Pats game at home, are games where he looked like the Frosh HS QB who got the call to start for the varsity 5 mins before game time. Then you watch the Cowboy game, the Raider and Giants games, the Rookie games against GB and Houston, and you swear we have the guy. I remember hearing Billick on the radio at the end of last season, and he said Bill Walsh always said you know about a young QB after 25 starts. Well, we're there. As an eternally optimistic Jets fan, going into season 42 of tickets, I look at the good I've seen, coupled with the real lack of OLine and WR's, and I tend to think Sam is the guy. But, there is enough to give you pause. That said, I fully believe JD believes in Sam. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kleckineau Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 11 minutes ago, jgb said: Then why fire the guy who picked the next elite QB? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 3 minutes ago, section314 said: Totally agree with you on this. I will admit, I worry about Sam becoming the guy we are all hoping for. The Dolphin game in Miami, the Pats game at home, are games where he looked like the Frosh HS QB who got the call to start for the varsity 5 mins before game time. Then you watch the Cowboy game, the Raider and Giants games, the Rookie games against GB and Houston, and you swear we have the guy. I remember hearing Billick on the radio at the end of last season, and he said Bill Walsh always said you know about a young QB after 25 starts. Well, we're there. As an eternally optimistic Jets fan, going into season 42 of tickets, I look at the good I've seen, coupled with the real lack of OLine and WR's, and I tend to think Sam is the guy. But, there is enough to give you pause. That said, I fully believe JD believes in Sam. Still have hope for Darnold. He's had a terrible supporting cast. But as a now old Jets fan, not going to fall for anything that isn't proven. Any Darnold has achieved nothing thus far. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 8 minutes ago, CTM said: haha, but I think Mahommes, Watson and LJ are redefining what a QB is "supposed" to look and play like. Doubt Kyler Murray goes #1 as recently as 5 years ago. It’s a good question, though. You’re a GM, team is static, who would you rather have as your QB for the next five years: Darnold or Murray? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section314 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, jgb said: Still have hope for Darnold. He's had a terrible supporting cast. But as a now old Jets fan, not going to fall for anything that isn't proven. Any Darnold has achieved nothing thus far. That we agree on my friend.? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choon328 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 9 minutes ago, CTM said: haha, but I think Mahommes, Watson and LJ are redefining what a QB is "supposed" to look and play like. Doubt Kyler Murray goes #1 as recently as 5 years ago. Plus Kyler was Kingsbury's guy from day 1 The NFL is not changing that much. LJ and Watson will not make it through their 2nd contract bc of injuries. Once the legs go those types of QB's always get exposed just like Cam has been. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetstream23 Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 You can send Emeril Lagasse into a McDonald's kitchen and ask him to come out with a 7-course gourmet meal, but I don't think it will happen. Let's get Darnold some ingredients on offense and then assess whether or not he's a good cook. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, choon328 said: The NFL is not changing that much. LJ and Watson will not make it through their 2nd contract bc of injuries. Once the legs go those types of QB's always get exposed just like Cam has been. Rather had a QB who "gets exposed" after an MVP season than a never-was putting up Sanchez numbers, without Sanchez team results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snook Posted April 13, 2020 Share Posted April 13, 2020 25 minutes ago, jgb said: Yeah he would be first. But his career so far has been "meh." Can't think of a QB who went from "meh" to elite. Elite QBs elevate those around them. Darnold hasn't. The offence was world's better with Sam than Trevor or Luke.(I know, not saying much) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgb Posted April 13, 2020 Author Share Posted April 13, 2020 Just now, jetstream23 said: You can send Emeril Lagasse into a McDonald's kitchen and ask him to come out with a 7-course gourmet meal, but I don't think it will happen. Let's get Darnold some ingredients on offense and then assess whether or not he's a good cook. Totally fair to say he hasn't had help. But again, that doesn't mean he's automatically great. He's at best, an incomplete, which is a disgusting waste of the first two years of a rookie top-5 drafted QB. Those who want to go cheap this year make no sense. We need to pay whatever it takes to get a cast around him so we can properly evaluate him once and for all. Just so happens that most first-round QBs flop. So I'm still betting flop. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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