Media Piling on Gang Green for History With First Round Picks, Conveniently Forget key Details

[JetNation]

Following the trade of Jamal Adams and a fourth-round draft choice to the Seattle Seahawks in exchange for safety Bradley McDougald along with two first-round picks and a third-round pick, there’s a narrative making its way around the twitterverse regarding the Jets and their inability to retain their first round draft choices.

This is actually a fair criticism, but only if you focus on this first round draft choices who were actually worth keeping around. We’ll pick this tweet right here to put under the microscope because we’ve seen it a few times today.

The Jets can’t handle star players.

That’s a death sentence in the NFL.

They’ve traded away five of their last nine first-round picks. Why trust them with first-round selections from the Seahawks?

— Marc Sessler (@MarcSessler) July 25, 2020

Marc Sessler of the NFL Network says that the Jets can’t handle “star” players because they’ve traded away five of their last nine first round picks, and then goes on to ask why Joe Douglas and company should be trusted with future first-round picks.  Well, let’s lend Mark a hand, shall we?

First and foremost, what in the world does Joe Douglas have to do with the draft picks made by the failed GM’s before him?  John Idzik and Mike Maccagnan are long gone.  They’re the guys who made the picks he’s referencing.  Now that we’ve cleared that up, let’s take a look at the five players the Jets have so foolishly sent packing.

DL Sheldon Richardson: A player who peaked in his second season as a pro when he had 8 sacks, such a star is Richardson that last season in Cleveland was his fourth different team in four years.  He’s better known for reckless driving with a gun in his car than he is for playing football.  Good player? Certainly. A star player?  How many star players suit up for four teams in four years?

S Calvin Pryor: One of the worst picks in team history, the Louisville Slacker was shipped off to the Browns before Cleveland cut ties and he landed back in Jacksonville where he was reunited with John Idzik.  He played a grand total of two games with the Jaguars and hasn’t been on an NFL field since.  The Jets must truly regret allowing Pryor to get away.  Or maybe not, because if they did, they could sign him off of his couch today.  As is the case with the other 31 teams in the NFL, they have no interest in doing so.

DL Leonard Williams: Williams is a nice player that most teams would be happy to have.  However, he’s a good player, and perhaps even an above average player.  However, there’s a reason why the Giants didn’t give him a long-term deal and that’s because this above average player is seeking elite player money.  And as nice a guy he may be, and a solid player to boot, are we really calling Leonard Williams a “star” at this point in his career.  Like Richardson, he peaked in year two when he was a pro bowl alternate.  In fifteen games last season, Wiilliams was almost shut out in the sack department before logging a half sack late in the year.  Star player…right.

LB Darron Lee: Lee took to twitter recently to “expose” the Jets.  For what, we have no idea.  Lee shared with fans the fact that the last tweet he got from former head coach Todd Bowles was a warning to Lee to “watch your back”.  Um, if you were fired for being bad at your job, and you had friends who hadn’t yet been fired but who was also bad at their job, wouldn’t you lend them the courtesy of a heads up?  Lee was a first-round bust who was shipped off the Kansas City Chiefs for a day 3 pick and he rarely saw the field for Andy Reid.  Now, like Pryor, Lee is sitting at home waiting for the phone to ring.  The Jets must be kicking themselves over letting Lee get away.

S Jamal Adams: This was a no brainer.  Adams used his friend Ryan Clark to announce to the football world last year that he wanted to be a Dallas Cowboy.  Since then it’s been a steady stream of childlike dramatic tweets from Adams that was capped off with an interview last week that accused Adam Gase of incompetence and GM Joe Douglas of being a liar.  And the Jets were supposed to retain this player?  Spare me.

Rich Cimini of the New York Daily News chimed in a bit later and noted the fact that the Jets have traded each of their last three defensive players to be named All-Pro in John Abraham, Darrelle Revis and Jamal Adams.

The #Jets have had three All-Pro defensive players since 2000. All three got traded.

DE John Abraham — All-Pro in 2001 (traded: '06)
CB Darrelle Revis — All-Pro 09-11 (traded: '13)
S Jamal Adams — All-Pro '19 (traded: '20)

— Rich Cimini (@RichCimini) July 26, 2020

What gets left out is the fact that there were questions regarding Abraham’s willingness to play through nagging injuries and the trade for Abraham netted them center Nick Mangold.  A first-round pick who spent his entire career with the team because they signed him to multiple contracts.  Ya’ know, that thing the Jets never do with their best players.

Cornerback Darrelle Revis was a rare case that could have been handled better before being traded to the Tampa Bay Buccaneers by John Idzik.  That being said, while the NFL is in fact a business, who can honestly blame the Jets for trading a payer who held out twice in a span of a few years and then threatened a third holdout before the ink was dry on the deal he got for the second holdout?

Then as mentioned above, moving on from Adams was something that had to happen after the player openly ripped the organization.  And as we can clearly see from the list above, retaining talented players has not been a primary issue of concern for the Jets.  It’s drafting players who are worth retaining to begin with.

So after Joe Douglas pulled off what will go down as one of the most shocking trades many of us have ever seen in getting two 1’s and a 3 for a player who was never going to suit up this season, skeptics are busy pointing to the sins of GM’s from many years ago that have absolutely nothing to do with what Joe Douglas did yesterday, today or will do tomorrow. Do better, folks.  Do better.

 

 

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[Long Island Leprechaun]

Almost as dumb as a few posters here who do exactly the same thing. 

[GREENBEAN]

1 hour ago, JetNation said:

So after Joe Douglas pulled off what will go down as one of the most shocking trades many of us have ever seen in getting two 1’s and a 3 for a player who was never going to suit up this season, skeptics are busy pointing to the sins of GM’s from many years ago that have absolutely nothing to do with what Joe Douglas did yesterday, today or will do tomorrow. Do better, folks.  Do better.

 

Good stuff. 

The problem is that there is truth to our overall incompetence as a franchise. Sure we've managed a few really nice seasons, but the management of the org from the top down has been bad for a long long time. 2011 offseason anyone? lol

For the past 37 years I've been a fan it honestly looked like it would never matter who came in here as GM, HC or QB. They all make the same mistakes their predecessors did over and over again. It has been Groundhog Day around here. 

The big difference this time around is that Joe Douglas is the first Gm we've had that is actually supposed to be a GM. He was next man up as the guy who was going to get his NFL GM shot. We got him which alone is different for us.  If anyone can't see how much differently JD is handling the management of the team then to hell with em. I'll help out with JD's top 10 1st year hits.

1. Trading with the Giants, and getting the better end of the deal

2. Trading with the Pats and getting the better end of the deal (2x) (recouping the 6th he gave for DT was excellence) 

3. Trading with the Hawks in the draft and getting the better end of the deal at least as far as capital goes. The players chosen still remain to be seen.

4. NOT being the top bidder for the crop of FA's like Conklin, Clowney Bradberry etc.

5. Retaining his own FA's at absolute bargain prices (Jenkins, Pool, Hewitt etc)

6. Managing a draft with precision and actually grabbing the two positions we Jets fans knew should be taken with our two top picks (LT,WR)

7. Focusing on the OL in a big way to protect his young franchise QB

8. Not firing someone on the coaching staff because the media and some Jets fans wanted blood after a 7-9 season. (first time in many years we haven't had a sacrificial lamb) 

9. Coaxing an Pro Bowl Center out of retirement (big fail but it was still a good move)

10. Getting more value for a SS than other teams got for an elite Edge and CB in recent years. 

I have to believe this is just the beginning and JD has the evidence to show he is not the same Jets GM. He is not perfect but This is good.  Let the media get their last shots in about the circus the Jets have been. That's all this is.  We are in good hands. 

 

[AFJF]

7 minutes ago, GREENBEAN said:

Good stuff. 

The problem is that there is truth to our overall incompetence as a franchise. Sure we've managed a few really nice seasons, but the management of the org from the top down has been bad for a long long time. 2011 offseason anyone? lol

For the past 37 years I've been a fan it honestly looked like it would never matter who came in here as GM, HC or QB. They all make the same mistakes their predecessors did over and over again. It has been Groundhog Day around here. 

The big difference this time around is that Joe Douglas is the first Gm we've had that is actually supposed to be a GM. He was next man up as the guy who was going to get his NFL GM shot. We got him which alone is different for us.  If anyone can't see how much differently JD is handling the management of the team then to hell with em. I'll help out with JD's top 10 1st year hits.

1. Trading with the Giants, and getting the better end of the deal

2. Trading with the Pats and getting the better end of the deal (2x) (recouping the 6th he gave for DT was excellence) 

3. Trading with the Hawks in the draft and getting the better end of the deal at least as far as capital goes. The players chosen still remain to be seen.

4. NOT being the top bidder for the crop of FA's like Conklin, Clowney Bradberry etc.

5. Retaining his own FA's at absolute bargain prices (Jenkins, Pool, Hewitt etc)

6. Managing a draft with precision and actually grabbing the two positions we Jets fans knew should be taken with our two top picks (LT,WR)

7. Focusing on the OL in a big way to protect his young franchise QB

8. Not firing someone on the coaching staff because the media and some Jets fans wanted blood after a 7-9 season. (first time in many years we haven't had a sacrificial lamb) 

9. Coaxing an Pro Bowl Center out of retirement (big fail but it was still a good move)

10. Getting more value for a SS than other teams got for an elite Edge and CB in recent years. 

I have to believe this is just the beginning and JD has the evidence to show he is not the same Jets GM. He is not perfect but This is good.  Let the media get their last shots in about the circus the Jets have been. That's all this is.  We are in good hands. 

 

There are millions of things you can criticize this team for.  Not retaining Calvin Pryror and Darron Lee or taking 2 1's, a 3 and a starter for Jamal are not among them.

[nico002]

People are overwhelmingly stupid. What the jets have done in the past is completely irrelevant to what they will do in the future. Different coach, different GM. In each of those three scenarios presented by cimini the Jets traded players for more than they were worth at the time. The Pats built a dynasty on getting rid of high profile players instead Of giving them huge deals... which method do we like guys?

[GREENBEAN]

12 minutes ago, AFJF said:

There are millions of things you can criticize this team for.  Not retaining Calvin Pryror and Darron Lee or taking 2 1's, a 3 and a starter for Jamal are not among them.

Agreed. The actual problem occurred when we sent the draft card to the commissioner. Grabbing Calvin Pryor when all those talented WR's were sitting there was atrocious. 

The big issue with the Jets has been the recurring nightmare of having guys in charge who had no idea how to build a team. In that sense I can understand why people would look at this as a SOJ thing. it's not. 

[Jolot]

Sports media are the OG’s of fake news . Sports fans knew decades ago how corrupt, petty and narrative driven the media are . The rest of the world is just catching on now . 

[FidelioJet]

The media is right about the Jets being awful at drafting.  And the rare times they hit they dump them. 
 

I do agree with everyone that states it’s an entire new regime so the past has little to do with the future, although ownership does matter at some level and we know close to nothing about JD’s ability to build a team.  

[More Cowbell]

50 minutes ago, Jolot said:

Sports media are the OG’s of fake news . Sports fans knew decades ago how corrupt, petty and narrative driven the media are . The rest of the world is just catching on now . 

If the sports media is saying things and they get your attention,  they are doing their jobs which is to start conversations about what they said. 

[UnknownJetFan]

2 hours ago, nico002 said:

People are overwhelmingly stupid. What the jets have done in the past is completely irrelevant to what they will do in the future. Different coach, different GM. In each of those three scenarios presented by cimini the Jets traded players for more than they were worth at the time. The Pats built a dynasty on getting rid of high profile players instead Of giving them huge deals... which method do we like guys?

Well we see method that Washington had used in the past signing all the top FAs and not even making the playoffs, and when Jets have done similarly the same result would occur. Another thread mentioned we are never or more realistically Jets are rarely in win-now mode. Well you have to have an established QB to be in win-now mode with a window for success like the Saints, Seahawks, Packers, etc. If we establish that with Darnold we will get there. You keep hearing we are wasting his rookie contract with a rebuild during that time. What choice did we have. Had we gone on the way we were going prior to JD we would have wasted Darnold's career even if he was exceptional since the team would never be built around him as they were not his first 2 years. This year perhaps it is built a little better around him, but even if we hit on Oline and at WR they better all stay completely healthy over the next 2 years since there is little depth behind them and what is there will likely be a pretty big dropoff from the starters unless lower string players really step up. Well we'll see how this year turns out that for the Jets may be a traing camp year for a while depending on how long things last. With essentially a new Oline and new starters at WR we will likely need the first month just to somewhat gel.  

[Philc1]

And the jets no longer have Macagnan/Idzik as the GM.  So?

[jetstream23]

Things just seem different under Joe D.  There's an adult in the room now.

 

Things are changing here.

 

 

[Embrace the Suck]

You'd think the Jets owed these guys something for making them millionaires to begin with. Athletes are in for a world of hurt if the world ever really fully implodes. Abraham couldn't stay healthy or sober. Revis held out more than once. Pryor and Lee both sucked. L Williams is an average space eater.

The list is long and depressing which is why it's easy to understand why those player weren't retained despite them feeling entitled.

[Prodigal Syndicate]

Jets fans have a habit of handing crowns and planning parades to new gms and coaches before they accomplish anything for simply "cleaning up the last GMs messes." They quickly turn on them tear them down and start the cycle over again and praise the next GM for getting a 3rd round pick for a former top 10 pick from the previous regime.

 

Hopefully Joe breaks the cycle, but the crowning and fawning over him is bizarre as his one year with the team has resulted in some very strange player relations.

 

 

 

[rangerous]

4 hours ago, GREENBEAN said:

Good stuff. 

The problem is that there is truth to our overall incompetence as a franchise. Sure we've managed a few really nice seasons, but the management of the org from the top down has been bad for a long long time. 2011 offseason anyone? lol

For the past 37 years I've been a fan it honestly looked like it would never matter who came in here as GM, HC or QB. They all make the same mistakes their predecessors did over and over again. It has been Groundhog Day around here. 

The big difference this time around is that Joe Douglas is the first Gm we've had that is actually supposed to be a GM. He was next man up as the guy who was going to get his NFL GM shot. We got him which alone is different for us.  If anyone can't see how much differently JD is handling the management of the team then to hell with em. I'll help out with JD's top 10 1st year hits.

1. Trading with the Giants, and getting the better end of the deal

2. Trading with the Pats and getting the better end of the deal (2x) (recouping the 6th he gave for DT was excellence) 

3. Trading with the Hawks in the draft and getting the better end of the deal at least as far as capital goes. The players chosen still remain to be seen.

4. NOT being the top bidder for the crop of FA's like Conklin, Clowney Bradberry etc.

5. Retaining his own FA's at absolute bargain prices (Jenkins, Pool, Hewitt etc)

6. Managing a draft with precision and actually grabbing the two positions we Jets fans knew should be taken with our two top picks (LT,WR)

7. Focusing on the OL in a big way to protect his young franchise QB

8. Not firing someone on the coaching staff because the media and some Jets fans wanted blood after a 7-9 season. (first time in many years we haven't had a sacrificial lamb) 

9. Coaxing an Pro Bowl Center out of retirement (big fail but it was still a good move)

10. Getting more value for a SS than other teams got for an elite Edge and CB in recent years. 

I have to believe this is just the beginning and JD has the evidence to show he is not the same Jets GM. He is not perfect but This is good.  Let the media get their last shots in about the circus the Jets have been. That's all this is.  We are in good hands. 

 

excellent points all.  imo all too often fans rely on the tv talking heads to say who the good players are and completely ignore how the whole team makes some of these players a heck of a lot better than they are.  and douglas agenda is very different from the fans'.  douglas wants to guild a team that's competitive year in and year out.  while fans also want the same they tend to idolize players without knowing why their idol is a good player or why douglas trades their butt.

[rangerous]

57 minutes ago, UnknownJetFan said:

Well we see method that Washington had used in the past signing all the top FAs and not even making the playoffs, and when Jets have done similarly the same result would occur. Another thread mentioned we are never or more realistically Jets are rarely in win-now mode. Well you have to have an established QB to be in win-now mode with a window for success like the Saints, Seahawks, Packers, etc. If we establish that with Darnold we will get there. You keep hearing we are wasting his rookie contract with a rebuild during that time. What choice did we have. Had we gone on the way we were going prior to JD we would have wasted Darnold's career even if he was exceptional since the team would never be built around him as they were not his first 2 years. This year perhaps it is built a little better around him, but even if we hit on Oline and at WR they better all stay completely healthy over the next 2 years since there is little depth behind them and what is there will likely be a pretty big dropoff from the starters unless lower string players really step up. Well we'll see how this year turns out that for the Jets may be a traing camp year for a while depending on how long things last. With essentially a new Oline and new starters at WR we will likely need the first month just to somewhat gel.  

washington is a great example.  the jets sort of tried it under kotite when they signed odonnell and lott and monk.