Every Mike White throw: Vikings

[T0mShane]

5 hours ago, Integrity28 said:

Yea, it’s why I’m not sweating him. Conklin, Davis and Berrios really dogged it this game… they do their job even 50% of the time and we win.

IMO, the things he’s doing wrong right now are somewhat fixable and will improve with more snaps—the timing, trust, etc. I thought it was interesting that he looked for Davis and Conklin so much and mostly ignored Moore and Wilson until the second half—obviously that will change with more time together. I keep reading and hearing that both Wilson and Moore are undisciplined with their patterns which leads to miscommunication and, likely, a lack of trust between White and the young guys, so the ball goes to the sh*tty vets instead. Moore, in particular, seems like he just runs to open spots as opposed to running his route. Once White gets acclimated to their idiosyncrasies is when this offense will take off. The question is, will White get the time? 

[Integrity28]

21 minutes ago, T0mShane said:

IMO, the things he’s doing wrong right now are somewhat fixable and will improve with more snaps—the timing, trust, etc. I thought it was interesting that he looked for Davis and Conklin so much and mostly ignored Moore and Wilson until the second half—obviously that will change with more time together. I keep reading and hearing that both Wilson and Moore are undisciplined with their patterns which leads to miscommunication and, likely, a lack of trust between White and the young guys, so the ball goes to the sh*tty vets instead. Moore, in particular, seems like he just runs to open spots as opposed to running his route. Once White gets acclimated to their idiosyncrasies is when this offense will take off. The question is, will White get the time? 

Yea, pretty in line with how I view it. I genuinely think CD can be an excellent WR for MW, but he has to cut the drops. It’s absurd. MW is like a non-mobile Tannehill. Maybe better. I think CD is a great target for that type of QB.

Moore and Wilson are the talented ones. They should have been a bigger part of the early game plan.

Conklin is a mediocre player who had a mediocre game. Uzomah is better and less utilized for some reason.

My favorite thing with White at QB is that we have a passing game to RBs. The mismatches this creates with coverage is great.

Anyway, rambling… I hope he gets a fair shot and time…. Best QB play since Fitz, it would be so Jetsy to give him a short leash after giving Sam and Zach nothing but excuses.

[Lupz27]

8 hours ago, Zachtomims47 said:

If we had a big time TE, I think it would really transform this offense. I'd go TE in the first round possibly. 

No never.

[Hex]

I honestly expected Moore to play well like he did against the Bears, but it ended up being another dud of a game for him. 7 total receiving yards. 33% catch rate? Come on. Moore may have been right about Zach but he isn't helping his own case.

[OtherwiseHappyinLife]

10 hours ago, Hex said:

I honestly expected Moore to play well like he did against the Bears, but it ended up being another dud of a game for him. 7 total receiving yards. 33% catch rate? Come on. Moore may have been right about Zach but he isn't helping his own case.

Has to get his feet in near the sideline.

Overall, it’s part on him to execute when called upon and part on the staff and White to get him involved since the tape shows he was getting open on big downs.

[Hal N of Provo]

Commentator in the first half while White is playing like ass and falling behind and throwing 4 balls that could have been picked  “They will give him yards and not care about it. It’s what they do in the red zone that matters.” 

Later Jets fans after white finishes with a 59.8 passer rating on the day  “did you see how many yards he had at the end of the game?  Wow.  He’s so good.   What a moral victory. That’s the starter for me!!”

Here’s a Mike White stat so far for 2022: 1 win.  1 loss.  

[Augustiniak]

11 hours ago, Hex said:

I honestly expected Moore to play well like he did against the Bears, but it ended up being another dud of a game for him. 7 total receiving yards. 33% catch rate? Come on. Moore may have been right about Zach but he isn't helping his own case.

I get the feeling that both moore and mims won’t be on the team next year.  They need to figure out which one to keep, both have had issues getting on the field and neither is a factor on ST.   My money is on mims, b/c he could potentially take over for davis if they go that route.  I expect moore to be traded before the draft.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

Mims was interfered with on his 1st half leaping target 

Tom Brady gets that call 100 times out of 100

Another thing that stood out on re-watch:

Vikings’ tackling wasn’t perfect but they wrapped up and finished when they had to.  Was the epitome of “bend but don’t break”.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

This game should put to bed the myth of MW as a conservative “game manager”.

If anything, MW is a gunslinger.  Dude does not lack confidence in his arm and does not hesitate to fire it downfield into the narrowest of windows.

He did make the wrong read a few times, but I think he will benefit from more exposure to different schemes (this was essentially is 4th NFL start, not counting the Indy game where he left in 1st Q) and more reps with the starting WRs to learn their tendencies so as to get on the same page.

The most exciting thing for me is seeing an intelligent, composed QB with sound mechanics, good pocket awareness, and the ability to consistently throw on target with timing and anticipation.

There is a rhythm and confidence to this offense led by MW.  

They just have to figure out how to close the deal in the red zone.  McVay loves to run the ball in the RZ, and this LaFleur scheme is supposed to be based on the same principles.  LaFleur gets really pass happy near the goal line though for some reason.

[Hal N of Provo]

15 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said:

This game should put to bed the myth of MW as a conservative “game manager”.

If anything, MW is a gunslinger.  Dude does not lack confidence in his arm and does not hesitate to fire it downfield into the narrowest of windows.

He did make the wrong read a few times, but I think he will benefit from more exposure to different schemes (this was essentially is 4th NFL start, not counting the Indy game where he left in 1st Q) and more reps with the starting WRs to learn their tendencies so as to get on the same page.

The most exciting thing for me is seeing an intelligent, composed QB with sound mechanics, good pocket awareness, and the ability to consistently throw on target with timing and anticipation.

There is a rhythm and confidence to this offense led by MW.  

They just have to figure out how to close the deal in the red zone.  McVay loves to run the ball in the RZ, and this LaFleur scheme is supposed to be based on the same principles.  LaFleur gets really pass happy near the goal line though for some reason.

That’s not the narrative.  
 

Good game manager good at short throws who gets exposed and throws lots of picks when he has to throw it down the field.  That’s what he needs to close the door on.  

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

24 minutes ago, Hal N of Provo said:

That’s not the narrative.  
 

Good game manager good at short throws who gets exposed and throws lots of picks when he has to throw it down the field.  That’s what he needs to close the door on.  

That’s another myth, perhaps.

But no, MW’s % of short throws (“under 10 yards”) in the Bengals game was used against him by the Zach stans and some of the nationwide talking heads.

“Yeah, he threw for 400 but….look at his aDot”

White was essentially being shaded for running the plays LaFleur was calling.

[Jimmy 2 Times]

12 hours ago, Hex said:

I honestly expected Moore to play well like he did against the Bears, but it ended up being another dud of a game for him. 7 total receiving yards. 33% catch rate? Come on. Moore may have been right about Zach but he isn't helping his own case.

He's a quitter that blames others for his failure. 

[LAD_Brooklyn]

George Fant had a good game. Max was benched after giving up that sack. He’s not even getting beat but just fooled. Problem is Fant doesn't do much for the run game. 

[SoFlaJets]

OK, it's Wednesday, we lost Sunday, now it's time to forget about this game and concentrate on hopefully an improved play calling game, with different players getting more of the focus than guys who only are able to haul in 1 out of every 2 passes thrown their way. Elijah Moore needs more opportunities and Corey Davis and Braxton Berrios less

[Jdub03]

1 hour ago, Hal N of Provo said:

 

Here’s a Mike White stat so far for 2022: 1 win.  1 loss.  

That's not a Mike White stat, it's a team stat.

[JoeNamathsFurCoat]

2 hours ago, Jdub03 said:

That's not a Mike White stat, it's a team stat.

Precisely.

Shame on Mike White for losing to a 9-2 team.

The defense gave up 20 pts in the 1st half.  Clearly Mike White's fault there. 

He led a 3-score comeback all the way to the 1-yard line.  Berrios dropped the ball.