JoeNamathsFurCoat Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 1 hour ago, RedBeardedSavage said: Parsons was 6'3 246, roughly the same size as Bowers, and ran a sub 4.4 40. He's a freak. If the Jets owned a 2nd round pick, I’d be more inclined to roll the dice on Bowers. The responsible thing to do is to take a stud offensive lineman. Like when Beningo was screaming for Matt Leinart and others wanted Reggie Bush and Tannenbaum and Mangini went with the “unsexy” picks of Brick and Mangold. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 8 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Those twenty Rome Odunzes put up 1200+ yards and ten TDs the elite TEs are giving you 800 and maybe five TDs. Elite TEs have value beyond the stat sheet. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 19 minutes ago, BurntDice said: Elite TEs have the same or worse production as just good WRs who’s an elite TE? Kelce? He had less than 1k yards this year. Our own Garrett Wilson who is good (not great yet) had 100 more yards with the worst qbs in the league throwing to him Production? What’s that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 We only get to discuss this for 19 more days @jetsrule128 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 4 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: Production? What’s that? 1 a : something produced : PRODUCT b(1) : a literary or artistic work (2) : a work presented to the public (as on the stage or screen or over the air) c : something exaggerated out of proportion to its importance 2 a : the act or process of producing b : the creation of utility especially : the making of goods available for use 3 : total output especially of a commodity or an Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 17 minutes ago, JoeNamathsFurCoat said: If the Jets owned a 2nd round pick, I’d be more inclined to roll the dice on Bowers. The responsible thing to do is to take a stud offensive lineman. Like when Beningo was screaming for Matt Leinart and others wanted Reggie Bush and Tannenbaum and Mangini went with the “unsexy” picks of Brick and Mangold. There could be a move-up for a tackle on day 2 even if we took Bowers @ 10. At least that's what I tell myself... Patrick Paul? Kiran Amegadjie? But those guys have more of the 'stash and develop' rep as far as I can tell? Might not be as useful if we get hit with injuries this year. Hopefully, Brock failed Rodgers' "You know the moon landing was filmed in Burbank, right?" test today and he's off our board. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 5 minutes ago, BurntDice said: 1 a : something produced : PRODUCT b(1) : a literary or artistic work (2) : a work presented to the public (as on the stage or screen or over the air) c : something exaggerated out of proportion to its importance 2 a : the act or process of producing b : the creation of utility especially : the making of goods available for use 3 : total output especially of a commodity or an If Bowers is double teamed (because you can’t single him with a smaller player and he’ll destroy your linebacker one on one) and that leaves someone else one on one who’s production is it? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted April 15 Share Posted April 15 7 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: If Bowers is double teamed (because you can’t single him with a smaller player and he’ll destroy your linebacker one on one) and that leaves someone else one on one who’s production is it? You can say the same exact thing for good receivers. Come on man! Just look around the league. WRS are paid much more which = more valuable, have more yards and tds, have more snap by snap impact. Conklin who’s making peanuts didn’t do much worse than some of the “elite” TEs even though his QB room was a disaster. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 I feel like the guys who are picking apart Bowers game are the same guys that wouldn’t hook up with Margot Robbie bc of a birth mark. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jimmy 2 Times Posted April 16 Popular Post Share Posted April 16 1 minute ago, Bobby816 said: I feel like the guys who are picking apart Bowers game are the same guys that wouldn’t hook up with Margot Robbie bc of a birth mark. I'd pass on Margot. She looks too much like my wife. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 24 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: Elite TEs have value beyond the stat sheet. The TE yardage leader last season was George Kittle, with 1,020 yards and six TDs. That would have made him WR24 on the season, in between Chris Godwin and Calvin Ridley. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 4 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The TE yardage leader last season was George Kittle, with 1,020 yards and six TDs. That would have made him WR24 on the season, in between Chris Godwin and Calvin Ridley. Mahomes without kelce early in the year looked like Zach But now all TEs don’t make an impact. k 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 5 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The TE yardage leader last season was George Kittle, with 1,020 yards and six TDs. That would have made him WR24 on the season, in between Chris Godwin and Calvin Ridley. The stats don’t favor the elite TEs, but does having one change the game for the rest of the offense? I’m not up for the jets to find out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 minute ago, Larz said: Mahomes without kelce early in the year looked like Zach But now all TEs don’t make an impact. k The only decent receiver on the chiefs was Kelce. The WRs weren’t good at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 7 minutes ago, T0mShane said: The TE yardage leader last season was George Kittle, with 1,020 yards and six TDs. That would have made him WR24 on the season, in between Chris Godwin and Calvin Ridley. And Aiyuks numbers and Christian McCafferys numbers without Kittle would have been… 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 18 minutes ago, BurntDice said: You can say the same exact thing for good receivers. Come on man! Just look around the league. WRS are paid much more which = more valuable, have more yards and tds, have more snap by snap impact. Conklin who’s making peanuts didn’t do much worse than some of the “elite” TEs even though his QB room was a disaster. No one is game planning for Tyler Conklin 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomebodytoAnybody47 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 minute ago, Gastineau Lives said: And Aiyuks numbers and Christian McCafferys numbers without Kittle would have been… The same or better? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: No one is game planning for Tyler Conklin And yet he only had 300 less yards than Kelce. Makes you wonder if TEs are actually valuable. Hmmm 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 4 minutes ago, Larz said: Mahomes without kelce early in the year looked like Zach But now all TEs don’t make an impact. k Kelce missed week one and was held out of week 18. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 16 minutes ago, Bobby816 said: I feel like the guys who are picking apart Smith-Njigba's game are the same guys that wouldn’t hook up with Ana de Armas bc of a birth mark. ^Bobby in early April 2023 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 5 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: And Aiyuks numbers and Christian McCafferys numbers without Kittle would have been… Let me run it through the algorithm….….…. Those numbers would have been the same. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Just now, T0mShane said: Let me run it through the algorithm….….…. Those numbers would have been the same. More probably. Since they would have to increase the target share for them 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larz Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 10 minutes ago, T0mShane said: Kelce missed week one and was held out of week 18. Week one was Zach Mahomes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 3 minutes ago, Larz said: Week one was Zach Mahomes. Give us Kelce and them Garrett Wilson. Swift dumps him by week 3. Garrett Wilson breaks up Sydney Sweeney's marriage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 2 hours ago, RedBeardedSavage said: Parsons was 6'3 246, roughly the same size as Bowers, and ran a sub 4.4 40. He's a freak. Which is my point. He should have led the nation in sacks but couldn't even log 10 over the course of his college career. Just because Bowers caught a bunch of screen passes in college doesn't mean he can't be a threat down the field. Which was the point of the video. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 Just now, AFJF said: Which is my point. He should have led the nation in sacks but couldn't even log 10 over the course of his college career. Just because Bowers caught a bunch of screen passes in college doesn't mean he can't be a threat down the field. Which was the point of the video. I'm saying Brock hasn't shown that freakishness in a test like Micah. Plus, Micah moved positions in the pros - he went from true linebacker in college to edge rusher in the pros. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 23 minutes ago, RedBeardedSavage said: I'm saying Brock hasn't shown that freakishness in a test like Micah. Plus, Micah moved positions in the pros - he went from true linebacker in college to edge rusher in the pros. He's shown it on the field. I'm good with that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsrule128 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 hour ago, Larz said: We only get to discuss this for 19 more days @jetsrule128 What are you talking about it’s the new year already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFJF Posted April 16 Author Share Posted April 16 Nick Saban commenting on Bowers after seeing him play as a freshman three years ago. "This guy is one of the premier players in college football" "He's a blocker, he's physical, he's tough" "He's got wide receiver skills in every way, shape or form which as a bigger guy, makes it tough for bigger guys to cover him and it makes it difficult for for smaller guys to cover him" "This guy is a phenomenal football player all-around" 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 hour ago, RedBeardedSavage said: ^Bobby in early April 2023 Hey he still was more useless than McDonald was for us. And JSN would be. Starting slot for us. McDonald is our 4th best DE maybe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedBeardedSavage Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 8 minutes ago, AFJF said: He's shown it on the field. I'm good with that. Difficult to argue with "I'm good with that". Two years ago I was posting this around this time of year: Nobody could tell me otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 @Maxman if we end up drafting Brock Bowers and he busts, does @Lith lose mod privileges? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby816 Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 1 hour ago, Augustiniak said: The stats don’t favor the elite TEs, but does having one change the game for the rest of the offense? I’m not up for the jets to find out. Considering the last 4 teams playing last year had top TEs I’d say it’s a trend that is working. And then you look at playoff teams as a whole and they all had rather good TE play 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gastineau Lives Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 2 hours ago, BurntDice said: You can say the same exact thing for good receivers. Come on man! Just look around the league. WRS are paid much more which = more valuable, have more yards and tds, have more snap by snap impact. Conklin who’s making peanuts didn’t do much worse than some of the “elite” TEs even though his QB room was a disaster. You’ve done the least amount of research into the player we’re discussing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BurntDice Posted April 16 Share Posted April 16 12 minutes ago, Gastineau Lives said: You’ve done the least amount of research into the player we’re discussing. You assume. you also can’t refute anything that I’m saying. It’s a FACT that WR is a more valuable position. It’s a FACT that you can find TEs on the scrap heap that can perform average. TE is an easily replaceable position. @T0mShane provided a good stat that the #1 TE had as many yards as the #24 WR. you should learn to just accept that your opinion on this subject can be wrong, and Bowers may not be a good pick here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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