2009 Jets Defense vs. 2024 Jets Defense: Which one is better?

[Jet Nut]

14 hours ago, JohnnyLV said:

I fully expect to see Jordan Travis start a game for the Jets this year, and people calling for Saleh's head by Week 10.

So your crystal ball has Rodgers going down and TT too?  
Along with one of the many OL we added
And Rodgers was declining, the busted hand and lack of WRs didn’t affected his numbers.  

[#27TheDominator]

21 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Because the 2009 defense was the best we've ever had, obviously.

Yep. 

The Super Bowl D was pretty stout, but that is ancient history.   The 85/86 D was great, but constantly beset by injuries, so not a fair comparison.  If you are going to pretend everybody is healthy, at that point you are putting Kris Jenkins Sr. on the 2009 team for the season, and look out.

[JohnnyLV]

1 hour ago, Claymation said:

Huff is a pass rush specialist, nice player...great find. Had a career year last year. But McGriddle fills that pass rush specialist need.

Reddick is a premiere 3 down edge rusher. A FF machine, 13 in the past 4 years. Huff only had 1 in the past 4 years.

 

He is also aging and the team that signed Huff also punted on Reddick. Like I said it looks OK on paper for a year but he is aging and no guarantee he performs at the same level. MUCH rather have a young Huff than an aging Reddick for a year. Not really a fan of our offseason.

[slats]

15 hours ago, JohnnyLV said:

I am no where near as confident as you on these 3. I think losing Huff and replacing him with Reddick is not a slam dunk upgrade at all, and there were stats last year where our defense was much less effective when Huff was not in.Let's hope you are right.

 

I think the season could go south real quick again. I have serious doubts we see anything close to vintage Rodgers, who was clearly declining 2 years ago and is coming off an achilles. And our strategy of hiring a bunch of good on paper but old and often injured players is dubious at best. I fully expect to see Jordan Travis start a game for the Jets this year, and people calling for Saleh's head by Week 10.

[bicketybam]

5 minutes ago, JohnnyLV said:

He is also aging and the team that signed Huff also punted on Reddick. Like I said it looks OK on paper for a year but he is aging and no guarantee he performs at the same level. MUCH rather have a young Huff than an aging Reddick for a year. Not really a fan of our offseason.

You were hoping for Zach's 5th year option?

[Claymation]

5 minutes ago, JohnnyLV said:

He is also aging and the team that signed Huff also punted on Reddick. Like I said it looks OK on paper for a year but he is aging and no guarantee he performs at the same level. MUCH rather have a young Huff than an aging Reddick for a year. Not really a fan of our offseason.

I believe they moved on because of their cap situation.

This year? I would rather have Reddick. As I said before, McGriddle can fill in Huff's role as a situational pass rusher.

[UntouchableCrew]

4 hours ago, #27TheDominator said:

Yep. 

The Super Bowl D was pretty stout, but that is ancient history.   The 85/86 D was great, but constantly beset by injuries, so not a fair comparison.  If you are going to pretend everybody is healthy, at that point you are putting Kris Jenkins Sr. on the 2009 team for the season, and look out.

Yeah, I'm only comparing my era as a fan (mid-90s to the present) but 2009 is pretty easily the best in my era.

Granted, unlike offense where we've been largely pitiful forever we've actually had a bunch of good defenses to compare. But 2009 is tops.

[jetsfan4life72]

On 5/13/2024 at 10:47 AM, BreeceHallofFame said:

Kerry Rhodes was elite for one year in 2006. He was not a huge upgrade over someone like chuck clark in 2009. Harris was a solid run defender but slow as molasses, Bart Scott was a worse version of CJ Mosley- the 2024 backer crew blows 2009 out of the water with two all pros…

None of us knew who Chuck Clark was until we traded for him.  If Kerry had one elite season then he had a couple of great seasons along with that.  Similar to Jamal Adams.  But overall Kerry is the arguably the best Safety we've had the past 15 years.

[THE BARON]

2024 defense will give up yards and few points.  2009 gave up noting.  2009 was the better defense in every respect. 

[slimjasi]

48 minutes ago, UntouchableCrew said:

Yeah, I'm only comparing my era as a fan (mid-90s to the present) but 2009 is pretty easily the best in my era.

Granted, unlike offense where we've been largely pitiful forever we've actually had a bunch of good defenses to compare. But 2009 is tops.

Yea, one of the biggest what-ifs to me regarding the Jets is how good we could have been if we convinced Favre to come back for 2009. We would have won 13+ games with any kind of consistent QB play combined with that defense. 

Now, Favre probably throws a season-ending pick in the AFC title game that year, as he liked to do later in his career,  so I'm not saying we would have won it all. But, week in and week out? Dominance. 

[PS17]

The 2009 defense was excellent. Revis was the best defender I’ve ever seen that season. But that team was weak at pass rush and had to scheme blitzes to get home. That resulted in not being able to close out a lot of games. I think this defense has a higher ceiling given the much better defensive line. 

[UntouchableCrew]

46 minutes ago, slimjasi said:

Yea, one of the biggest what-ifs to me regarding the Jets is how good we could have been if we convinced Favre to come back for 2009. We would have won 13+ games with any kind of consistent QB play combined with that defense. 

Now, Favre probably throws a season-ending pick in the AFC title game that year, as he liked to do later in his career,  so I'm not saying we would have won it all. But, week in and week out? Dominance. 

No question. That was an elite team outside of the QB position where Sanchez just killed us. 

Makes me crazy when people give Sanchez credit for "winning playoff games." We gave the keys to a Ferrari to a teenager and he bascially crashed it into a brick wall.

[Jet_Engine1]

On 5/13/2024 at 10:31 AM, Claymation said:

The 2009 team had Revis, who is arguably one of the greatest top cover CBs of all time. Kerry Rhodes is better than any safety the Jets have had since his departure. Scott and Harris could play the run with the best of them.

That being said...Williams, Reddick and Johnson are the best pass rushers the Jets have had since the early 80's. They won't have to blitz to generate a pass rush like the '09/'10 teams. And MCII: The Electric Bugaloo is the best slot CB the Jets has ever had. This defense is going to punch quite a few teams in the mouth this year.

Wait... Logan and Lyle aren't all timers???

 

😆 

[Jet_Engine1]

4 hours ago, UntouchableCrew said:

No question. That was an elite team outside of the QB position where Sanchez just killed us. 

Makes me crazy when people give Sanchez credit for "winning playoff games." We gave the keys to a Ferrari to a teenager and he bascially crashed it into a brick wall.

It wasn't Brick. It was Moore. A MOORE wall...

[Jet_Engine1]

On 5/13/2024 at 3:15 PM, Sperm Edwards said:

You could also argue the '98 team had an easier schedule. Off the bat there weren't two games against prime Brady*, another against prime Brees, and prime Manning (for half a game, anyway), plus Garrard in his probowl season. 1/3 of the season against probowl QBs. The best argument the other way is the last 1.5 games were against teams benching all their starters (with the Bengals arguably outright tanking the game).

I'm not seeing this big advantage to the 2009 team just because the offense didn't score as much. Sanchez also threw 20 picks and fumbled another 10x (don't remember how many were lost). Even one of Vinnie's rare 7 picks didn't hurt, as it was a before-halftime hail mary that didn't put the D back on the field. 

The '98 team got rookie Manning (the version that was throwing 3 picks/game even against mediocre defenses), Eric Zeier and old Harbaugh, even-older Marino, Tony Banks, the Carroll-supervised Bledsoe (twice), Grbac in his worst season by far, 44 year-old Steve DeBerg pulled out of retirement, Beuerlein, and McNair before he became a polished passer. The good QBs faced were Steve Young, who ate them alive, and Doug Flutie who was more of a good story than good QB. They both had some weak matchups, but the '98 team's defense had an easier go of it. 

The '98 defense was a lot of bend but don't break, as they used to call it. The '09 defense cut off teams' nuts and then went back to shove it in their mouths, even with their own rookie QB discouragingly throwing so many interceptions you'd think it was his intended outcome. The '09 D would've looked a whole lot more dominant if they had a QB with a sub-2% interception rate instead of a 5-6% rate.

Who was starting for Atlanta the day the Jets ate them alive? Was it Steve DeBerg? That game was great, watched it in a bar in Southie before work. Good times!

[Bleedin Green]

We'll see, but it definitely varies by unit.

CB goes to the 24 team, because despite the year Mevi$ may have had in 09, the overall position/depth is certainly better now.  Sauce more than carries his own weight, while Reed and Carter are worlds beyond the likes of Sheppard and Coleman.

DL probably goes to 24 as well, but could be debated only because both were quality DLs built to fit their formations.  09 was a very good unit for their 3-4 scheme, and far better against the run, but certainly not pass-rushing threats.  24 has far more potential as rushers, so it will only be a question of the level they deliver on that.  We can only dream of what 09 might have looked like if Jenkins stayed healthy and had another year like 08, but as long as Quinnen and Reddick don't suddenly give their best post-payday Wilkerson and Lawson impersonations, they should be better this year.

LB is not even close, 09 was better by an excessively wide margin.  I'll give Quincy credit that he's likely the most athletically gifted of either group, but also the most mistake-prone.  Scott and Harris were both team leaders that were high-quality football players as well.  That second part is an important factor to avoid covering about as well as any of us here would, while getting pushed backwards on every tackle, like the NFL's highest paid cheerleader in Mosley.  Meanwhile, 24 doesn't even have another roster-worthy player at the position while 09 still has Pace and Thomas to round the unit out.  Unless of course you want to count them as DL, in which case the DL position becomes closer, but 09 still wins at LB.

S is an easy win for 09, as while neither Leonhard nor Rhodes were superstar players, they were both very good at their jobs.  The 24 safeties are meanwhile little more than the scrap heap, featuring a variety of nobodies like a player much maligned as recently as last year as a Jets' bust, who sat around unemployed for a month into FA before now tagged as a key factor at the position.

Of course, how the season goes could quickly change any of that.  If either major injuries or plummets in performance happen, or unexpected major breakout seasons occur, that could all quickly shift.

[Barry McCockinner]

I originally said 2009 until proven otherwise but Sauce is making me question that.

 

[Sperm Edwards]

10 hours ago, Jet_Engine1 said:

Who was starting for Atlanta the day the Jets ate them alive? Was it Steve DeBerg? That game was great, watched it in a bar in Southie before work. Good times!

Yep. At the time a 44 year-old QB was like 50 today.

Meanwhile 44 sounds like 35 to me now., and people here are literally posting one of our starting WRs is long in the tooth because he is 29 now and turns 30 in October. Dumbass kids.