Jetsfan80 Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Dreesen, eh? TE, H-Back, Long Snapper... Possibly goodbye to Dearth? Yes, I think Dearth is gone, and that call was made by Heimerdinger. I don't think he wants "specialists" on the team; he wants guys who can perform multiple tasks. It's safe to say we are now set at TE, and we didnt need a damn 1st rounder to be in that situation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Weren't they just saying that he'll make a good backup but would never be starting material? Come on Husk, of course they were saying that, but Jet fans think every pick they have made are All-Pro players. Jets have done absolutely nothing over the last two days to close the 4-game gap between them and the Patriots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 I'll be honest, I think Bradway did well. Now do I think it was through sheer dumb luck or that these guys will turn out to be bad picks despite looking good to me--- yes. I don't trust Bradway an inch. But in my opinion, that's a good draft for you guys, and while you should cool some of the optimism (proclaiming a 6th round RB as your future starter is pretty effing premature).... there's ample reason for you guys to be happy. Congrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Come on Husk, of course they were saying that, but Jet fans think every pick they have made are All-Pro players. Jets have done absolutely nothing over the last two days to close the 4-game gap between them and the Patriots. Meh. They've done a bit. Solid kicker, and Miller will help in the return game and as CB--- whether as a starter or at nickel or dime. No question the Jets have improved (just as the Pats have). I'd say this draft was a very good one for the Jets, but hardly one that is going to change the balance of power in the AFC east or anything. and meanwhile I think the Pats had a superb draft, the more I look at it--- Mankins and Kaczur are the only guys likely to start any time in the next few years, but they addressed their OL depth and quality, their ST coverage problems (Hobbs and Sanders), DB depth, and picked up a nice ILB chip, all while stockpiling future picks. The Pats didn't go out and get a bunch of guys with chances to win starting jobs---- but they didn't NEED a bunch of guys with chances to win starting jobs. Belichick didn't swing for the fences, he took walks and singles, and when you're the defending world champion, that approach makes a lot of sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Come on Husk, of course they were saying that, but Jet fans think every pick they have made are All-Pro players. Jets have done absolutely nothing over the last two days to close the 4-game gap between them and the Patriots. :Blah: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 I'll be honest, I think Bradway did well. Now do I think it was through sheer dumb luck or that these guys will turn out to be bad picks despite looking good to me--- yes. I don't trust Bradway an inch. But in my opinion, that's a good draft for you guys, and while you should cool some of the optimism (proclaiming a 6th round RB as your future starter is pretty effing premature).... there's ample reason for you guys to be happy. Congrats. RS I do not think any mock draft had Houston anywhere in 6th round range but as you said the proof will be for all teams and their picks out on the field but I definitely like the Jets draft that bradway has put together Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 But in my opinion, that's a good draft for you guys, and while you should cool some of the optimism (proclaiming a 6th round RB as your future starter is pretty effing premature).... there's ample reason for you guys to be happy. Your right RS next we'll be hearing a 6th rd QB will win 3 Super Bowls..Or a 6th rd pick named Terrell Davis will run for 157 yds and 3 td's in a Super Bowl Win..Pure Fantasy I tell ya.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 RS I do not think any mock draft had Houston anywhere in 6th round range but as you said the proof will be for all teams and their picks out on the field but I definitely like the Jets draft that bradway has put together Yeah but mock draft rankings and 4 bucks gets you a cup of coffee at Starbucks. Obviously late round gems happen, but I'd be cautious appointing the 16th RB taken in the draft as your future starter. Hey, I like Cedric Cobbs, but I'm not banking on him being Dillon's successor. Houston definitely seems to fit the bill as a #3 RB who in a pinch at least has the ability to carry a full running load (though whether he can do so well would be the question). There is reason to be hopeful that he MAY be the successor to Martin. but with any draft pick, and particularly a day 2 one there should be a high degree of caution and scepticism until proven otherwise. But Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Your right RS next we'll be hearing a 6th rd QB will win 3 Super Bowls..Or a 6th rd pick named Terrell Davis will run for 157 yds and 3 td's in a Super Bowl Win..Pure Fantasy I tell ya.. Believe me--- I'm NOT going to rule out a late rounder having a high cieling. It's possible that Cedric Houston will go to the Hall of Fame. Absolutely. But with any 6th rounder, until the guy starts tearing it up in TC or even better SHOWING it on the field, you have to consider him depth with a CHANCE to be more. Realistically there is a highish chance Cedric Houston won't break the 1000 yard mark on his entire career as a rusher. That doesn't mean he can't break 10,000--- it just means don't be counting chickens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
faba Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Believe me--- I'm NOT going to rule out a late rounder having a high cieling. It's possible that Cedric Houston will go to the Hall of Fame. Absolutely. But with any 6th rounder, until the guy starts tearing it up in TC or even better SHOWING it on the field, you have to consider him depth with a CHANCE to be more. Realistically there is a highish chance Cedric Houston won't break the 1000 yard mark on his entire career as a rusher. That doesn't mean he can't break 10,000--- it just means don't be counting chickens. I certainly am not proclaiming to install Houston in HOF but I saw him a number of times in college and think he is good NFL caliber back-6th round or third round makes no difference just pointing out that as you NE fans should know 6th round pick means nothing- production on the field is the way to judge Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Well, you figure that he'll have a couple years to develop. He won't have the pressure, say, Lamont Jordan had, since he's a 6th round pick, as opposed to a 2nd round pick. And, he'll learn from Curtis Martin, which isn't a bad thing. The kid does have talent. Besides all that, every year, this is every team's Super Bowl, save for one lucky team that does win the actual game. Quit being a kill-joy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanTX Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Besides all that, every year, this is every team's Super Bowl, save for one lucky team that does win the actual game. Quit being a kill-joy. More so for Jet fans than any other team. What's it been, 36 years and still counting? Yea, it's been a "lucky" team that has won 3 out of the last 4 Super Bowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenBeans Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 More so for Jet fans than any other team. What's it been, 36 years and still counting? Yea, it's been a "lucky" team that has won 3 out of the last 4 Super Bowls. Cheap shot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Personally, I think picking a Kicker in the second is retarded (IMO a knee-jerk reaction pick) - however, the Jets lucked out and got what you all wanted - Miller. Therefore it's proclaimed a great draft. Time will tell. Herm Edwards is still the HC last time I checked.... As an aside - as you got into the ESPN zone they gave everyone free goodies - t-shirts, mouse pads,and.....an reproduction of an autographed picture of Herm Edwards! Too funny! I actually took one - was going to use it as toilet paper - unless one of you fools want it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 More so for Jet fans than any other team. What's it been, 36 years and still counting? Yea, it's been a "lucky" team that has won 3 out of the last 4 Super Bowls. You've never met Lions fan, have you? And yeah, the Pats ARE lucky. There's nothing else to be said about it. They're lucky. I'd say the same thing about any team that wins any championship. They get lucky. Either getting breaks from the officials or the other team screwing up or uncostly injuries. Yeah, they're lucky. It's not just a Pats thing though, everyone who wins a championship is lucky. Lucky and fortunate. Don't mistake it for being anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage69 Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 a reproduction of an autographed picture of Herm Edwards! Too funny! I actually took one - was going to use it as toilet paper - unless one of you fools want it? If you used it JonE will take it!! :wink: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Personally, I think picking a Kicker in the second is retarded (IMO a knee-jerk reaction pick) Not if he ends up being an elite, once-in-a-generation kicker, which some experts say about Mike Nugent. As Ham stated eloquently, we didn't just draft "a kicker", we took a kicker who could be the Adam Vinatieri of our era, or beyond. Besides, if we don't take him, he goes 49th to Minnesota, and we lose out on the chance to replace Doug Brien. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Pats just took a QB whose college career consisted of 33 pass atempts, 0 TDs, 1 INT. Matt Cassel of USC, backup to Palmer and Leinart. Interesting choice of a guy to roll the dice on. Be interesting to see if he sticks and they send him to NFLE next season or if he washes out quickly. My bets on the latter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFlaJets Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 On the surface RS doesn't it seem like Bellichek/Pioli are on a different wavelength then the rest of the league with this draft?Either they are out of step or so far above everybody else's thinking it ain't even funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Potential UDFA's Jammal Brimmer, James Butler, Ernest Shazor, Jim Leonard, Brandon Browner, Atari Bigby, Junior Rosegarden, Anthony Davis, Vince Carter, Taylor Stublefield, JR Russell, Geoff McArthur, Steve Savoy, Adam Bergen, Eric Knotts, Clifford Dukes, Ben Wilkerson, Mike Munoz, Gino Guildugli, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Kevin Dudley, Kyle Eckel, Zach Tuia... Look at all those names... Brimmer, Butler, Shazor, Munoz, Wilkerson, Browner.... damn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Potential UDFA's Jammal Brimmer, James Butler, Ernest Shazor, Jim Leonard, Brandon Browner, Atari Bigby, Junior Rosegarden, Anthony Davis, Vince Carter, Taylor Stublefield, JR Russell, Geoff McArthur, Steve Savoy, Adam Bergen, Eric Knotts, Clifford Dukes, Ben Wilkerson, Mike Munoz, Gino Guildugli, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Kevin Dudley, Kyle Eckel, Zach Tuia... Look at all those names... Brimmer, Butler, Shazor, Munoz, Wilkerson, Browner.... damn. Jeez, what happened to the safety position in this draft? And why did we use a 4th and 5th rounder on 2 safeties with all this talent remaining? Michael Munoz and Ben Wilkerson as UDFA's sounds good to me, by the way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elotk Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Harry who? eLOT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 On the surface RS doesn't it seem like Bellichek/Pioli are on a different wavelength then the rest of the league with this draft?Either they are out of step or so far above everybody else's thinking it ain't even funny Yes and no. Some of it is deceptive: Mankins was seen as a highish 2nd by some, Kaczur was seen as a 3rd rounder by many, Bradway basically suggested the Jets might have taken Hobbs at 57.... Sanders and Claridge were both in the areas they were generally believed to have value. For instance on Gosselins top 100 (based strictly on a combination of boards around the NFL and discussions with NFL insiders... Mankins was #44 (taken at #32.) Hobbs was #85 (taken at #84.) Kaczur was #90 (taken at #100.) For comparison Nugent was #63 (taken at #47.) Miller was #23 (taken at #57.) Pouha did not appear (taken at #88.) The Pats guys didn't recieve the hype of many other guys, but all three picks were actually in the neighborhood of correct value by a consensus of GMs. So on the one hand not as much as you think.... ... on the other, yes: the Patriots have a very different drafting philosphy from most organizations, and they are pretty insistant on getting THEIR guys, high lockerroom character, smart, hard working, love to play football.... guys who fit their system. The Pats value different characteristics more intensely than the league average. They do run a very different set up, and don't worry much about CW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Wideout, Tuskegee... other than that, I have no idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 What an Arse-first pick. We have, right now: --No decent Starting OT --No decent Starting DT --Strait and Mickens as our #2 and #3 CB's, respectively. --Severe weakness at one Safety spot. And we draft a friggin kicker. So, who wants to lay down the $$$ that we grab a PUNTER at #57. Lord knows we need on of them too..... Don't get me wrong, I wans't hard for Miller.....but a DT (Hawthorne) or CB (Miller, Browner, others) would have been more valuble here. Hawthorne = 6th rounder. Browner = UDFA. Still think those 2 would have been better value picks, Warfish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Yes and no. Some of it is deceptive: Mankins was seen as a highish 2nd by some, Kaczur was seen as a 3rd rounder by many, Bradway basically suggested the Jets might have taken Hobbs at 57.... Sanders and Claridge were both in the areas they were generally believed to have value. For instance on Gosselins top 100 (based strictly on a combination of boards around the NFL and discussions with NFL insiders... Mankins was #44 (taken at #32.) Hobbs was #85 (taken at #84.) Kaczur was #90 (taken at #100.) For comparison Nugent was #63 (taken at #47.) Miller was #23 (taken at #57.) Pouha did not appear (taken at #88.) The Pats guys didn't recieve the hype of many other guys, but all three picks were actually in the neighborhood of correct value by a consensus of GMs. So on the one hand not as much as you think.... ... on the other, yes: the Patriots have a very different drafting philosphy from most organizations, and they are pretty insistant on getting THEIR guys, high lockerroom character, smart, hard working, love to play football.... guys who fit their system. The Pats value different characteristics more intensely than the league average. They do run a very different set up, and don't worry much about CW. I think they are. For one thing and one thing only. The Pats draft football players. No doubt about it. The rest of the league? They've got a hard on for speed. Case in point? Matt Jones. He ran a 4.37 40 and became the "it" player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Speed and height. But yeah. btw our mystery QB, Matt Cassel, backup to Palmer and Leinart, apparantly was taken under the wing of Ken O'Brien--- yes, that Ken O'Brien--- and has done a lot of work with him. Small world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Speed and height. But yeah. True... if you're fast and big, you're a first round prospect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 I don't know anything about this guy from Tuskegee. It must be a sympathy pick. If we were going to reciever there, I'd have liked J.R. Russell to be the pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichardSeymour Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Andy Stokes. A TE. Of course. Stokes (6-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLabelJetsFan Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Potential UDFA's Jammal Brimmer, James Butler, Ernest Shazor, Jim Leonard, Brandon Browner, Atari Bigby, Junior Rosegarden, Anthony Davis, Vince Carter, Taylor Stublefield, JR Russell, Geoff McArthur, Steve Savoy, Adam Bergen, Eric Knotts, Clifford Dukes, Ben Wilkerson, Mike Munoz, Gino Guildugli, Ryan Fitzpatrick, Kevin Dudley, Kyle Eckel, Zach Tuia... Look at all those names... Brimmer, Butler, Shazor, Munoz, Wilkerson, Browner.... damn. So what happened to all these guys? any thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Russell got drafted by Tampa Bay late in the seventh round. I'd like to see Wilkerson and Munoz brought in, and I want the Jets to look at at least one of those defensive backs. Adam Bergen has got to be a leading canidate as a possible UDFA by the Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stormshadow19 Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 So what happened to all these guys? any thoughts? I have no clue... alot of them were taken in the JN draft... but now they're all UDFA's, and they will be picked up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Wilkerson and Munoz would be GREAT pickups I dunno how the frick all those centers after Baas were being taken ahead of Wilkerson. IMO, he's the best pure center in this draft~! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackLabelJetsFan Posted April 24, 2005 Share Posted April 24, 2005 Russell got drafted by Tampa Bay late in the seventh round. I'd like to see Wilkerson and Munoz brought in, and I want the Jets to look at at least one of those defensive backs. Adam Bergen has got to be a leading canidate as a possible UDFA by the Jets. Fitzpatrick went too....to St Louis in the 7th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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