4HCrew Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 For being such a malcontent..... he knew they were not going to throw to him alot and he did a hell of a job blocking the whole game. Where are the critics now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 For being such a malcontent..... he knew they were not going to throw to him alot and he did a hell of a job blocking the whole game. Where are the critics now? The thing is, would Moss be such a "choir boy" if he was playing on a 4-12 team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 For being such a malcontent..... he knew they were not going to throw to him alot and he did a hell of a job blocking the whole game. Where are the critics now? His critics had very good reasons to blast him. He is the most talented WR to ever play the game and his attitude this year has been terrific. Why did he coast in Oakland? The great ones play all out in all situations, not just when everything is perfect for them. They never give up. They deserve the benefit of doubt. Moss does not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodWearsAGrayHoodie Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 His critics had very good reasons to blast him. He is the most talented WR to ever play the game and his attitude this year has been terrific. Why did he coast in Oakland? The great ones play all out in all situations, not just when everything is perfect for them. They never give up. They deserve the benefit of doubt. Moss does not. Moss was not the only one nor even the first player to give up trying in Oakland. The whole team stopped giving it their all. It was just that being Moss was so much better than others it was a lot more obvious. If the folk around him are playing at 90%, he has no problem playing at 10%. But if everybody around him is playing at 100%, so will he. Is that ideal, maybe - maybe not. But I really can't blame him for saying, "hey if you guys who have less talent than me aren't giving it your all, don't look to me to carry the team" and look to get traded to a team where everybody puts out 100%. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotReign37 Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Why did he coast in Oakland? The great ones play all out in all situations, not just when everything is perfect for them. They never give up. They deserve the benefit of doubt. Moss does not. He was injured in Oakland. An injury that nagged him all season long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Moss was not the only one nor even the first player to give up trying in Oakland. The whole team stopped giving it their all. It was just that being Moss was so much better than others it was a lot more obvious. If the folk around him are playing at 90%, he has no problem playing at 10%. But if everybody around him is playing at 100%, so will he. Is that ideal, maybe - maybe not. But I really can't blame him for saying, "hey if you guys who have less talent than me aren't giving it your all, don't look to me to carry the team" and look to get traded to a team where everybody puts out 100%. Totally understandable. It is the same thing many players would do in the same situation. Just not the truly great ones. Rice, Alworth, Warfield. Talent and character. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 He was injured in Oakland. An injury that nagged him all season long. The same one that nagged him this pre-season? That miraculously healed in time for the first regular season game? Funny how he is injured only when he does not want to play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 The thing is, would Moss be such a "choir boy" if he was playing on a 4-12 team? If moss was playing at the level he's playing at, would any team be 4-12? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Moss was not the only one nor even the first player to give up trying in Oakland. The whole team stopped giving it their all. It was just that being Moss was so much better than others it was a lot more obvious. If the folk around him are playing at 90%, he has no problem playing at 10%. But if everybody around him is playing at 100%, so will he. Is that ideal, maybe - maybe not. But I really can't blame him for saying, "hey if you guys who have less talent than me aren't giving it your all, don't look to me to carry the team" and look to get traded to a team where everybody puts out 100%. That's all find and dandy in Oakland, but what about his giving up and attitude in Minnesota...he was fine when they were winning there. But, when the ship started to sink, so did his attitude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 If moss was playing at the level he's playing at, would any team be 4-12? The 4-12 reference was for the Jets...and yes, because he would have quit on us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 The 4-12 reference was for the Jets...and yes, because he would have quit on us. I understood the reference.. I disagree totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K2C Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 The league should sanction the Pats for being able to steal this guy for a 4th round pick! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted January 13, 2008 Author Share Posted January 13, 2008 maybe it comes from respecting his coaching staff and organization... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 I understood the reference.. I disagree totally. Good, maybe you can tell me what QB would be throwing him the ball and what O line would be protecting that QB to throw him the ball..but, I'm glad you disagree...totally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Moss is one of the best to ever do it. And he makes uptight people mad in the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garb Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 The thing is, would Moss be such a "choir boy" if he was playing on a 4-12 team? Good point. Moss has far exceeded my expectations. But let's be real. Would he be a model citizen if the team stunk? Maybe. Maybe not. I lean towards not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4HCrew Posted January 13, 2008 Author Share Posted January 13, 2008 how many players are model citizens when their team stinks? lets see over the years TO has acted up, Chad Johnson, Santana Moss, BRETT FAVRE,Ray Lewis so on and so forth..maybe it comes from hating to lose and having to deal with questionable coaching decisions , play calling and organizational moves..the same things the fans bitch and moan about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 how many players are model citizens when their team stinks? lets see over the years TO has acted up, Chad Johnson, Santana Moss, BRETT FAVRE,Ray Lewis so on and so forth..maybe it comes from hating to lose and having to deal with questionable coaching decisions , play calling and organizational moves..the same things the fans bitch and moan about. shhhhh. No one wants to hear that. Moss is a thug, end of story apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterNorth09 Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Moss would never get along with Mangini and vice versa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 maybe it comes from respecting his coaching staff and organization... How about respecting yourself? Being a pro. Like even Keyshawn Johnson did by playing his heart out despite playing for Rich Kotite and Leon Hess. He waited until after the season to make his feelings known. Not giving up during the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodWearsAGrayHoodie Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Totally understandable. It is the same thing many players would do in the same situation. Just not the truly great ones. Rice, Alworth, Warfield. Talent and character. Yeah, Rice was definitely more classy than Moss. Demanding you be traded mid-season, because you don't like how things are going shows a much greater level of character than waiting until the end of the season. Moss is self centered, but Rice makes Moss look like a choir boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damaged89 Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Moss is self centered, but Rice makes Moss look like a choir boy. Yeah, at least Moss never tried to run someone over with a car like Rice did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 How about respecting yourself? Being a pro. Like even Keyshawn Johnson did by playing his heart out despite playing for Rich Kotite and Leon Hess. He waited until after the season to make his feelings known. Not giving up during the season. "Just Throw Me The Damn Ball"....that's all I have to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobbyjet69 Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Yeah, at least Moss never tried to run someone over with a car like Rice did. What? I'm sure it was an accident! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Yeah, Rice was definitely more classy than Moss. Demanding you be traded mid-season, because you don't like how things are going shows a much greater level of character than waiting until the end of the season. Moss is self centered, but Rice makes Moss look like a choir boy. Did it affect Rice's play? Did he fake an injury? I guess when Moss broke Rice's record for TDs in a season, it must have been because of Rice's infamous bad character that Moss decided to pay him no respect whatsoever and instead attack media types for not kissing his a$$ before the season started. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 What? I'm sure it was an accident! Yeah, he accidently failed to completely run her over. Just made her a hood ornament. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Face it fellas, Moss is the best receiver in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Face it fellas, Moss is the best receiver in the league. Is there any doubt??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Is there any doubt??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Did it affect Rice's play? Did he fake an injury? I guess when Moss broke Rice's record for TDs in a season, it must have been because of Rice's infamous bad character that Moss decided to pay him no respect whatsoever and instead attack media types for not kissing his a$$ before the season started. Ok, so Moss gives the media an FU for calling him "past his prime," "washed up," "malcontent" and a host of other less then flattering comments and we should care why? Who cares if Moss did not tongue Rice either. This is not baseball. Records do not mean as much in football as they did in baseball. Hank Aaron's gesture to Bonds was above and beyond as Baonds took the mantle even taintedly. What was Moss to say? "Thanks Jerry and the NFL players association for fightinh for your rights and not coming to an agreement in time for a strike, otherwise the record would probably be 30." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Is there any doubt??? I'd still take TO and Smith over him. They offer more after the catch. That's just my opinion though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Ok, so Moss gives the media an FU for calling him "past his prime," "washed up," "malcontent" and a host of other less then flattering comments and we should care why? Because some kiss ups are now trying to say Moss's character isn't all that bad. Well, yes it is. Moss played possum to get out of Oakland for a 4th round pick. The media was wrong for concluding he was washed up based upon the false evidence Moss was providing them??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Yeah, Rice was definitely more classy than Moss. Demanding you be traded mid-season, because you don't like how things are going shows a much greater level of character than waiting until the end of the season. Moss is self centered, but Rice makes Moss look like a choir boy. Don't forget about the time Jerry threw his helmet on the sidelines in a hissy fit during a blowout Raiders victory because he failed to catch a pass for the first time in God knows how long. Randy Moss is a piece of ****, but Jerry Rice is right there with him in my book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFSIKH Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 Because some kiss ups are now trying to say Moss's character isn't all that bad. Well, yes it is. Moss played possum to get out of Oakland for a 4th round pick. The media was wrong for concluding he was washed up based upon the false evidence Moss was providing them??? Maybe they are trying to say he is not the anti-christ everyone makes him out to be. Is Randy a model citizen or teammate? No. He caused trouble in Oakland and Minnesota. No doubt. However he is not OJ, Rae Carruth, Ray Lewis or Leonard Little people are liken him to. Put him in an environemnt with a clear and defined structure he can flourish. Like Corey Dillon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Bit Special Posted January 13, 2008 Share Posted January 13, 2008 His critics had very good reasons to blast him. He is the most talented WR to ever play the game and his attitude this year has been terrific. Why did he coast in Oakland? The great ones play all out in all situations, not just when everything is perfect for them. They never give up. They deserve the benefit of doubt. Moss does not. potw nom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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