124 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Handoff the ball THREE STRAIGHT TIMES on 1st and Goal from the 3? Awesome, awesome play calling. If he hadn't been wearing #4 back there I would've swore it was Pennington (aside from a few downfield passes). No, not because of his play but because of the **** play calling. Ridiculous. Also, thanks to Laveranues Coles to dropping three passes, Jay Feely for missing a chip shot Field Goal and the Refs for a couple of BS calls that always, always end up going New England's way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodWearsAGrayHoodie Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Matt Cassel's cap hit this year is $540,220. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joewilly Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Matt Cassel's cap hit this year is $540,220. he played solid enough I guess. our d sure spent a lot of time on the field thats for sure. I'd say we were both outplayed & out coached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borgoguy Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 You're acting like this is something new. Since he's been offensive coordinator, I have never felt Shotzy has consistently gotten into the rhythm of a game. Notice how the Jets will run the ball well, then abandon it for what seems like a quarter. The same for the passing game. It's almost like he's over thinking the play calling. Relax, butt munch, you've brought in a cannon armed QB. Open up the offense. Use your strengths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 What plays were those? Cotchery completely mauling O'Neil and correctly getting called for offensive PI? That play was called accurately, regardless of Jets fans cries. However, there were a few bad calls... this off the top of my head. 1) In the 1st quarter in the end zone (before the missed FG), there was pass interference 2) Stuckey gets the ball on a short out, breaks a tackle, but they STOP THE PLAY. Worse yet, the clock keeps running 3) Next play, Favre is dragged from like the 15-20 to the 5, and they take all that yardage away. NONE OF THESE, I repeat NONE OF THESE, changed the outcome of the game. However, I can see where the crybabies keep saying the Pats get all the "breaks". I'm of the opinion that "The more I practice, the luckier I get." (Gary Player). By that, I mean the better I am, the "luckier" I get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00tonytone Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 THE way this game unfolded for what ever reason, You cant expect to beat anybody let alone the patriots who have owned you. patriots starting possesions were at the 50 the jets was all at the 20 and 1 at the 24 yard line. No way anyteam wins under those conditions, the odds are already stacked against u big time. THIS IS THE NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borgoguy Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 What plays were those? Cotchery completely mauling O'Neil and correctly getting called for offensive PI? No way I accept that you--a knowledgeable football fan--believe this in your heart. That should have been a non call, with Cotchery getting the reception. On the replay, it looked like O'Neil got out-muscled for the ball, what used to be called football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aec4 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 No way I accept that you--a knowledgeable football fan--believe this in your heart. That should have been a non call, with Cotchery getting the reception. On the replay, it looked like O'Neil got out-muscled for the ball, what used to be called football. You have to be joking. He climbed right over the guys back! It was a penalty! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Handoff the ball THREE STRAIGHT TIMES on 1st and Goal from the 3? Awesome, awesome play calling. If he hadn't been wearing #4 back there I would've swore it was Pennington (aside from a few downfield passes). No, not because of his play but because of the **** play calling. Ridiculous. Also, thanks to Laveranues Coles to dropping three passes, Jay Feely for missing a chip shot Field Goal and the Refs for a couple of BS calls that always, always end up going New England's way. Turning point in the game right there. The only thing I can think of was Mangini wanted to get control of the LOS right there. First and goal : No problem Second and goal: no problem Third and Goal: At this point you have to do what is best for the team and get the 6. Doesn't matter if it is pass or run. Mangini went with the same thing and lost and ended up settling for a field goal. Jets got three but the Pats won the most important part of the game. Control of the LOS Doesn't matter if your QB is Brady, Cassel, Favre, Pennington or 124. If you don't win the battle at the LOS you lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted September 15, 2008 Author Share Posted September 15, 2008 Yes, the missed PI call, Favre being dragged back and also the roughing the passer call was bull**** as well. Let them play football. The Cotchery PI call was Questionable. Its two guys fighting for the football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Borgoguy Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 You have to be joking. He climbed right over the guys back! It was a penalty! I watched that replay a couple of times and I did not see "mauling" or "climbing over a guys back". It looked like two NFL football players who were fighting for a ball, something they are paid to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Turning point in the game right . Somewhat We score in the 4th quarter to make it 16-10 Need the defense to step up and make a stop.....yet LaMont, Welker and Cassel kill us Everyone is saying how the defense was great.....we were playing Cassel folks Our defense cost us the game, plain and simple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawn306 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Somewhat We score in the 4th quarter to make it 16-10 Need the defense to step up and make a stop.....yet LaMont, Welker and Cassel kill us Everyone is saying how the defense was great.....we were playing Cassel folks Our defense cost us the game, plain and simple Agree 100%. The Jets D absolutely has to come up with a big play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KSJets Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 When you coach "not to lose", you generally do. The Jets' coach scared against the good teams. Until they change this and grow a pair, it will be the same things against the good teams in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsMan57 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Favre to Bubba has been money in the red zone,b ut lets run 3 times. only the Jets ladies and gentlemen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Schottenheimer is a complete idiot. You are right, why did we get Favre if we are going to call the same plays as with Chad? 1. He does not understand the concept of throwing on 1st down. Yes, our o-line is better than last year. But it was horrible last year. Signing two vets and D'Brick's maturity didn't turn it into the Packers o-line of the mid sixties. All of Jones's good runs come AFTER Favre completed a pass. The pass sets up the run, unless you have an incredible o-line like the Cowboys of the early nineties. Unitas figured that out in the fifties. The Pats do it with Brady. The Colts do it with Manning. The Packers did it with Favre and now do it with Rogers. 2. That goal line attempt with three runs up the middle in a tight formation was the most pathetic thing I have ever seen. You would think they would either run a play action or spread out the offense by the second, certainly the third down. Especially with Favre at QB. Case in point. When they marched down the field on the TD drive, they spread the formation when they got to the goal line. TD pass to Stuckey on FIRST DOWN. Gee, funny how easy that was. I wonder if it registered in Shotty's think skull. 3. That long sack by Thomas on Favre. In that situation, why in the world does Washington have pass blocking responsibilities against A. Thomas? It should be automatic in that formation that if the OLB rushes the passer, Washington slips out behind him for quick dump off, which we all know Favre is very adept at from all angles. 4. I hate that formation where there are no WRS. Just TEs and the FB in a tight formation. Then the FB goes in motion to split out wide. What the hell does that accomplish other than taking one blocker out of the picture. Nobody is shaking in their boots that Tony Richardson is split out wide. Just stupid. Sutton almost blew the Miami game. Schottenheimer lost the Pats game. The Jets are very talented but will go nowhere until Mangini deals with this. He can start by immediately firing Schottenheimer and replacing him with Callahand and take over the defensive play calling for Sutton, and then replace Sutton in the off-season. If he does not, I am done with Mangini. He will have wasted Favre's last year and all of the great work Mr.T has done in getting him talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonEJet Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 DM The coaching staff wanted to run down the throat of the Pats We spend all that money on Faneca, and we think we have a ggod one in Mangold,....lets pound it there and control the game Faneca and Mangold failed miserably The coaching staff was spot on wanting to set the tone of the game, only thing it set the tone for the Pats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Thomas Jones is not the back you want running there, true. The offensive line you bought and paid for did not come through, true. The play-calling was bland and predictable, true. With Baker, Franks and Keller, there is no reason you cannot go play action to the TE there at all. None whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 DM The coaching staff wanted to run down the throat of the Pats We spend all that money on Faneca, and we think we have a ggod one in Mangold,....lets pound it there and control the game Faneca and Mangold failed miserably The coaching staff was spot on wanting to set the tone of the game, only thing it set the tone for the Pats Like I said, adding Fanaca and Woody does not make a horrible o-line one that is good enough to dominate a front seven like the Pats. You can say fanaca and mangold had bad games, but Wilfork and Seymore make lots of good linemen have bad games. They should be good enough to dominate teams like the Dolphins and a lot of the teams on our schedule. It will not work against the pats or other really good defenses. You have to gameplan for each opponents strengths and weaknesses. "Wanting" to do something doesn't make it happen. They have Favre. Use the pass to set up the run. Like that 80 yard TD drive. Just don't wait until you are behind in the 4th quarter to have that mentality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 What plays were those? Cotchery completely mauling O'Neil and correctly getting called for offensive PI? You didn't see the play troll. So shut up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Handoff the ball THREE STRAIGHT TIMES on 1st and Goal from the 3? I said it to my father before the first handoff, and I'll say it here, and I still believe it. GOOD TEAMS POUND THE BALL IN FROM THERE. To be successful we need to be able to get those yards on those runs. We couldn't, while the playcalling was piss poor for most of the game, you absolutely have to be able to get those yards on the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Handoff the ball THREE STRAIGHT TIMES on 1st and Goal from the 3? Awesome, awesome play calling. If he hadn't been wearing #4 back there I would've swore it was Pennington (aside from a few downfield passes). No, not because of his play but because of the **** play calling. Ridiculous. Also, thanks to Laveranues Coles to dropping three passes, Jay Feely for missing a chip shot Field Goal and the Refs for a couple of BS calls that always, always end up going New England's way. they let brett throw later into endzone so they obviosly learned thier lesson,,schott forgets brett is there not chad,, cole sin my opinion needs to go,, he has let his man love for chad effect way he plays and concentrates.. only thing to save coles is if we perfume the ball with the scent of chads nutsack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 How about a QB sneak from the 1. That usualy works... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Somewhat We score in the 4th quarter to make it 16-10 Need the defense to step up and make a stop.....yet LaMont, Welker and Cassel kill us Everyone is saying how the defense was great.....we were playing Cassel folks Our defense cost us the game, plain and simple Agree 100%. The Jets D absolutely has to come up with a big play. Defenses don't cost you games where the other team scores 19 points. If our offense could have stayed on the field, it wouldn't have been an issue, and Bellichick wasn't giving us the opportunity to make a big play on defense, did you notice it was all screens and short passes, then running plays, which mind you (in the 4th) were with a fresh running back against a defense that was on the field all day. Regardless of the fact that it's Lamont, that's still a mismatch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernJet Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 How about a QB sneak from the 1. That usualy works... always a good call IMHO on 1st and 2nd if u elect to kick a FG on 4th,,if its 4 down territory its a good call on 1/2/3rd downs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 I said it to my father before the first handoff, and I'll say it here, and I still believe it. GOOD TEAMS POUND THE BALL IN FROM THERE. To be successful we need to be able to get those yards on those runs. We couldn't, while the playcalling was piss poor for most of the game, you absolutely have to be able to get those yards on the ground. It kills me to say it, but the Giants would have blasted the ball right in there for the TD and I hate the Giants like nobody's business. I feel dirty now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 It kills me to say it, but the Giants would have blasted the ball right in there for the TD and I hate the Giants like nobody's business. I feel dirty now. you're right. BTW, Nick Mangold. Overrated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gang_green03 Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 I said it to my father before the first handoff, and I'll say it here, and I still believe it. GOOD TEAMS POUND THE BALL IN FROM THERE. To be successful we need to be able to get those yards on those runs. We couldn't, while the playcalling was piss poor for most of the game, you absolutely have to be able to get those yards on the ground. Agree with that statement. While I don't completely agree with running the ball 3 straight times, we really should be able to get those yards and we'll have to if we want to be an upper echelon team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharrow Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 The Pats have the best defensive line in the league vs the run, it was the wrong call on 3rd down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodWearsAGrayHoodie Posted September 15, 2008 Share Posted September 15, 2008 Defenses don't cost you games where the other team scores 19 points. And that is doublely true if the other teams only TD comes from a drive following an Int. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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