Ghost Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 We need a player like Boldin, I'll give up some draft picks for this guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 You wanna give up the 1st+? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 You wanna give up the 1st+? I'll give up the 1st and some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I'll give up the 1st and some. I probably would too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 It is more than just our WRs. It is Schottenheimer's cookie cutter, bullsh*t excuse of an NFL offense that is our main problem. Check out Kevin Gilbride with the Giants. Without Plaxico Burress in the Giants lineup, we have significantly better WRs and a better TE than the Giants. Can anyone debate that? We also have just as good or at least comparable of a running game to what the Giants have. Eli Manning sucked balls on Sunday. He was terrible. However, even with lesser talent, how many times did Gilbride design a play where there was a Giants WR running wide open? Eli missed Steve Smith WIDE OPEN twice, he missed Dominick Hixon WIDE OPEN twice, he missed Amani Toomer wide open once. That was just the misses however. He hit Dominick Hixon wide open once for a 30+ yard gain and he hit both Kevin Boss and Amani Toomer wide open for 20+ yard gains a piece. When was the last time EVER when you were able to call a Jets WR "wide open?" The Giants had this many receivers wide open in one single game (Hixon 3 times, Smith 2 times, Toomer 2 times, Kevin Boss 1 time). Are you telling me that Toomer, Hixon, Smith and Boss are better than Cotchery, Coles, Stuckey, and Keller? If so you're on crack. And how many teams that we played did the same thing to our defense? How many times was that fossil Isaac Bruce running WIDE OPEN drag routes in the game against us? Every other play? Or how about Tony Scheffler in the Denver game? How many times did he catch a pass without a single defender anywhere within an 8 yard radius of him? Etc. It is Gilbride (and other Offensive Corrdinators) >>>>>>>>>> Schottenheimer. Now I'm not saying we don't need a legitimate #1 WR. We do. But get a competent Offensive Coordinator in here and watch how much play design has to do with WRs and TEs having the opportunity to be playmakers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 It is more than just our WRs. It is Schottenheimer's cookie cutter, bullsh*t excuse of an NFL offense that is our main problem. Check out Kevin Gilbride with the Giants. Without Plaxico Burress in the Giants lineup, we have significantly better WRs and a better TE than the Giants. Can anyone debate that? We also have just as good or at least comparable of a running game to what the Giants have. Eli Manning sucked balls on Sunday. He was terrible. However, even with lesser talent, how many times did Gilbride design a play where there was a Giants WR running wide open? Eli missed Steve Smith WIDE OPEN twice, he missed Dominick Hixon WIDE OPEN twice, he missed Amani Toomer wide open once. That was just the misses however. He hit Dominick Hixon wide open once for a 30+ yard gain and he hit both Kevin Boss and Amani Toomer wide open for 20+ yard gains a piece. When was the last time EVER when you were able to call a Jets WR "wide open?" The Giants had this many receivers wide open in one single game (Hixon 3 times, Smith 2 times, Toomer 2 times, Kevin Boss 1 time). Are you telling me that Toomer, Hixon, Smith and Boss are better than Cotchery, Coles, Stuckey, and Keller? If so you're on crack. And how many teams that we played did the same thing to our defense? How many times was that fossil Isaac Bruce running WIDE OPEN drag routes in the game against us? Every other play? Or how about Tony Scheffler in the Denver game? How many times did he catch a pass without a single defender anywhere within an 8 yard radius of him? Etc. It is Gilbride (and other Offensive Corrdinators) >>>>>>>>>> Schottenheimer. Now I'm not saying we don't need a legitimate #1 WR. We do. But get a competent Offensive Coordinator in here and watch how much play design has to do with WRs and TEs having the opportunity to be playmakers. You are dead on. And they are thinking of making this clown Schotty Jr their Head Coach??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ECURB Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 He isnt going anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMaynard Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 He isnt going anywhere. Exactly. It takes two to tango. Heck, I'd trade 2 #1s for Ed Reed. I don't think he is available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 It is more than just our WRs. It is Schottenheimer's cookie cutter, bullsh*t excuse of an NFL offense that is our main problem. Check out Kevin Gilbride with the Giants. Without Plaxico Burress in the Giants lineup, we have significantly better WRs and a better TE than the Giants. Can anyone debate that? We also have just as good or at least comparable of a running game to what the Giants have. Eli Manning sucked balls on Sunday. He was terrible. However, even with lesser talent, how many times did Gilbride design a play where there was a Giants WR running wide open? Eli missed Steve Smith WIDE OPEN twice, he missed Dominick Hixon WIDE OPEN twice, he missed Amani Toomer wide open once. That was just the misses however. He hit Dominick Hixon wide open once for a 30+ yard gain and he hit both Kevin Boss and Amani Toomer wide open for 20+ yard gains a piece. When was the last time EVER when you were able to call a Jets WR "wide open?" The Giants had this many receivers wide open in one single game (Hixon 3 times, Smith 2 times, Toomer 2 times, Kevin Boss 1 time). Are you telling me that Toomer, Hixon, Smith and Boss are better than Cotchery, Coles, Stuckey, and Keller? If so you're on crack. And how many teams that we played did the same thing to our defense? How many times was that fossil Isaac Bruce running WIDE OPEN drag routes in the game against us? Every other play? Or how about Tony Scheffler in the Denver game? How many times did he catch a pass without a single defender anywhere within an 8 yard radius of him? Etc. It is Gilbride (and other Offensive Corrdinators) >>>>>>>>>> Schottenheimer. Now I'm not saying we don't need a legitimate #1 WR. We do. But get a competent Offensive Coordinator in here and watch how much play design has to do with WRs and TEs having the opportunity to be playmakers. You make excellent points there, JMJ. I may have to consider revising my list yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GangGreen Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 We need a player like Boldin, I'll give up some draft picks for this guy. We already got two great WRs....we just had no QB this year..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Posted January 13, 2009 Author Share Posted January 13, 2009 We already got two great WRs....we just had no QB this year..... Correction: We had one good WR and that was Cotch, Coles blew balls this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 You make excellent points there, JMJ. I may have to consider revising my list yet again. This thread itself is about Anquan Boldin. When was the last time football fans saw Anquan? It was after he completed a 71 yard catch-n-run for a TD in a playoff game. Think about that play. While it only turned into a 71 yard TD due to great run after catch ability and fantastic downfield blocking by fellow WRs, but how open was Boldin before there was even a would-be tackler in site on your television screen? I ask again. When was the last time we ever saw a Jets WR that wide open because of play design and not due to a defender falling down? Coles vs. Cincinnati on 2007? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gang_green03 Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 I'd have to think twice about it but I wouldn't have a huge problem doing that, although wouldn't give up anything more than a 1st. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NIGHT STALKER Posted January 13, 2009 Share Posted January 13, 2009 It's like purchasing options before you buy the car. We need a QB that will get him the ball before we sign a WR like this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsman Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 why trade for Anquan when you can sign TJ Houshmanzadah in FA?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 why trade for Anquan when you can sign TJ Houshmanzadah in FA?? Sign me up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vudu Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 why trade for Anquan when you can sign TJ Houshmanzadah in FA?? He'll end up with the Giants most likely, much better situation, unless the JETS throw a bucketload of cash his way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
serphnx Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 It's like purchasing options before you buy the car. We need a QB that will get him the ball before we sign a WR like this. That kind of thinking is why Santanna Moss was traded for Coles. And now the QB is gone anyway. If the QB can't cut it, gotta get someone in here that can, rather than get crappy WRs. Pennington obviously doesn't even miss Coles, he used a number of guys this year for his best statistical season, and then imploded in the playoffs like always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 This just in: -The Cardinals are not going to trade Anquan Boldin. -The Raiders will not let Nnamdi Asomougha walk, they will franchsie him or resign him. That is the only thing that will ever happen to him until he is 35 years old. -Tom Brady is going to play this season and kick our asses, again. -No we cannot sign Joe Montana. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsman Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 This just in: -The Cardinals are not going to trade Anquan Boldin. -The Raiders will not let Nnamdi Asomougha walk, they will franchsie him or resign him. That is the only thing that will ever happen to him until he is 35 years old. -Tom Brady is going to play this season and kick our asses, again. -No we cannot sign Joe Montana. why not?? I would love to see Joe wearing Green and white Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 This just in: -The Cardinals are not going to trade Anquan Boldin. -The Raiders will not let Nnamdi Asomougha walk, they will franchsie him or resign him. That is the only thing that will ever happen to him until he is 35 years old. -Tom Brady is going to play this season and kick our asses, again. -No we cannot sign Joe Montana. Aren't you Mr Positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
124 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Aren't you Mr Positive. Failing to even pick up the phone and call Bill Cowher has made me forever until Shampoo Johnson & His Accountant are gone, MR.NEGATIVE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeebers Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 why not?? I would love to see Joe wearing Green and white Montana's noodle arm won't cut it in the Meadowlands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmike1 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Failing to even pick up the phone and call Bill Cowher has made me forever until Shampoo Johnson & His Accountant are gone, MR.NEGATIVE. They wern't getting Cowher anyway. I'm just as happy with Rex Ryan. I agree with you about the accountant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetsman Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Montana's noodle arm won't cut it in the Meadowlands. no but the ice water in his veins would Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 We need a player like Boldin, I'll give up some draft picks for this guy. You mean Larry Fitzgerald! I'll give up a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd rounder for dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Awesome idea. Let's give him $11M/yr that we don't have so our WR trio makes $25M/yr. And then we can bring back 3 backup QB's for 2009, Dwight Lowery and Eric Smith in the secondary and Brad Kassell can start at ILB for us. Sah-weeeeet!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptgrd7 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I do not think Anquan is going anywhere either. I live in Phoenix and all you heard about in the offseason was the Anquan Boldin hold out and wanting to be traded. But seeing as how the Cardinals season ended up I see him and the organization seeing eye to eye and them trying to wrap him up long term. I think a lot of his problem was his pushy agent Rosenhaus was pushing his client. That all being said seeing this guy play every week, I would give up our 1st round pick for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptgrd7 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 though he does get injured a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 It is more than just our WRs. It is Schottenheimer's cookie cutter, bullsh*t excuse of an NFL offense that is our main problem. Check out Kevin Gilbride with the Giants. Without Plaxico Burress in the Giants lineup, we have significantly better WRs and a better TE than the Giants. Can anyone debate that? We also have just as good or at least comparable of a running game to what the Giants have. Eli Manning sucked balls on Sunday. He was terrible. However, even with lesser talent, how many times did Gilbride design a play where there was a Giants WR running wide open? Eli missed Steve Smith WIDE OPEN twice, he missed Dominick Hixon WIDE OPEN twice, he missed Amani Toomer wide open once. That was just the misses however. He hit Dominick Hixon wide open once for a 30+ yard gain and he hit both Kevin Boss and Amani Toomer wide open for 20+ yard gains a piece. When was the last time EVER when you were able to call a Jets WR "wide open?" The Giants had this many receivers wide open in one single game (Hixon 3 times, Smith 2 times, Toomer 2 times, Kevin Boss 1 time). Are you telling me that Toomer, Hixon, Smith and Boss are better than Cotchery, Coles, Stuckey, and Keller? If so you're on crack. And how many teams that we played did the same thing to our defense? How many times was that fossil Isaac Bruce running WIDE OPEN drag routes in the game against us? Every other play? Or how about Tony Scheffler in the Denver game? How many times did he catch a pass without a single defender anywhere within an 8 yard radius of him? Etc. It is Gilbride (and other Offensive Corrdinators) >>>>>>>>>> Schottenheimer. Now I'm not saying we don't need a legitimate #1 WR. We do. But get a competent Offensive Coordinator in here and watch how much play design has to do with WRs and TEs having the opportunity to be playmakers. Pretty comprehensive but IMO comparing the Giants offense to the Jets is a farce. 1. The Jets running game is in no way comparable to the Giants. They had two guys go over 1,000 yards. TJ had a very good year, but don't get too excited because he won the AFC rushing title. I think that only took 1300 yards. 2. The Jets WRs are better than that Giants WRs-Plaxico. OTOH, the Jets WRs are better because they run smart routes and catch the ball. Hixon, Smith and Sinorice Moss are all over the map. Sure Hixon is wide open, the guy is a rocket, but he doesn't generally adjust well to the ball and drops 'em. They (except Toomer) are more comparable to Clowney. Sure he'll get wide open, but do you want him out there when you are trying to convert 3 and 6? I'd stick with Coles and Cotch. 3. Sure Bruce was running wide open. That OC was Mike Martz. Nobody denies he's able to get people open. He gets QBs killed and had turnovers. The 49ers fumbled 5 times 4. It's not exactly fair to compare what people did against the Jets D to the rest of the league. First of all, the Jets D just got the coach fired despite having a 9-7 record and a QB that **** his adult diaper the last 5 weeks. It is also VERY slow, has LBs and a S that CAN'T cover and very poor #2 and #3 CBs. Sure people run open. Big shock. Our 270 lb LBs can't cover ground. 5. I watched the Giants and you can keep Gilbride. If he were here you'd be crucifying him. OTOH, I agree completely with your response to the thread. Sure we can use a #1 WR, but trading the farm and giving Boldin huge $$ probably isn't the best route. Better to have a coach and QB on the same page and develop a draft pick or add a normal FA. Hell, Clowney or Keller may be ready to provide some gamebreaking in '09. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aqua4ever04 Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 He isnt going anywhere. This year, you're probably right. But there is absolutely 0% chance Anquan plays in Arizona past 2009. They've got Fitzy tied up for $10 mil per year (even though he deserves $50 mil per year,) they have to pay Darnell Docket, Karlos Dansby and Adrian Wilson. Can't keep all four of those guys and with $10 mil going to one receiver and Steve Breaston emerging in Boldin's absence, Anquan is all but moving on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 Pretty comprehensive but IMO comparing the Giants offense to the Jets is a farce. 1. The Jets running game is in no way comparable to the Giants. They had two guys go over 1,000 yards. TJ had a very good year, but don't get too excited because he won the AFC rushing title. I think that only took 1300 yards. Can't argue with this too much, but it is at least comparable with the Giants being superior. They were #1 in the NFL in rushing yards per game, we were 9th. So both were top 10. 2. The Jets WRs are better than that Giants WRs-Plaxico. OTOH, the Jets WRs are better because they run smart routes and catch the ball. Hixon, Smith and Sinorice Moss are all over the map. Sure Hixon is wide open, the guy is a rocket, but he doesn't generally adjust well to the ball and drops 'em. They (except Toomer) are more comparable to Clowney. Sure he'll get wide open, but do you want him out there when you are trying to convert 3 and 6? I'd stick with Coles and Cotch. I'm agreeing that the Jets WRs are better than the Giants WRs. That was the entire jist of my post. That Schotty, with superior talent, couldn't do what Gilbride does with the Giants and what other teams do with their lesser talent. 3. Sure Bruce was running wide open. That OC was Mike Martz. Nobody denies he's able to get people open. He gets QBs killed and had turnovers. The 49ers fumbled 5 times. Again, you're missing the point. By complimenting Martz for being able to get a bum WR wide open for easy gains is exactly what I want you to do. 4. It's not exactly fair to compare what people did against the Jets D to the rest of the league. First of all, the Jets D just got the coach fired despite having a 9-7 record and a QB that **** his adult diaper the last 5 weeks. It is also VERY slow, has LBs and a S that CAN'T cover and very poor #2 and #3 CBs. Sure people run open. Big shock. Our 270 lb LBs can't cover ground. Ok, if you think this dispells the notion of my post it doesn't. It strengthens it. You're saying that other Offensive Coordinators shouldn't get praised for getting WRs open vs. our sh*tty defense, right? Well lets look at the teams Schottenheimer coached agains this season: Kansas City (2-14), St. Louis (2-14), Seattle (4-12), Cincinnati (4-11-1), Oakland (5-11), San Francisco (7-9), Buffalo x2 (7-9), etc. Why wasn't Schotty able to design plays to get wide open receivers against competition like this? I don't know .... maybe because he SUCKS! So again, you're strengthening my points by saying it should be easy vs. weak defenses. 5. I watched the Giants and you can keep Gilbride. If he were here you'd be crucifying him. I watched them every week also and I 100% stand on what I said earlier. Gilbride >>>>>>>>>>> Schotty. Gilbride will be a head coach in the NFL within 2-3 years. Schotty will not be. OTOH, I agree completely with your response to the thread. Sure we can use a #1 WR, but trading the farm and giving Boldin huge $$ probably isn't the best route. Better to have a coach and QB on the same page and develop a draft pick or add a normal FA. Hell, Clowney or Keller may be ready to provide some gamebreaking in '09. We agree here. I respect your thoughts but my replies to them are in bold above. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I respect your thoughts but my replies to them are in bold above. Ah respectful? Okay, I'll try to be respectful too... Your posts are in bold, mine normal. This is a PITA by the way. I'm agreeing that the Jets WRs are better than the Giants WRs. That was the entire jist of my post. That Schotty, with superior talent, couldn't do what Gilbride does with the Giants and what other teams do with their lesser talent. We agree that the Jets receivers are better. The gist of you post is that Gilbride does more with less, but he doesn't. IIRC, those guys don't have better stats and that's all that counts. Sure they get wide open. If Usain Bolt were playing WR he'd be wide open too, but he wouldn't produce like Coles. The point of an offense is to score points and move the chains. Wide open drops/misses mean nothing to me. Again, you're missing the point. By complimenting Martz for being able to get a bum WR wide open for easy gains is exactly what I want you to do. No, I'm not missing your point, you're missing mine. Bruce is old, but not exactly a "bum". Martz O always gets guys open, but it turns the ball over and gets guys killed. Bruce was open, but the Niners fumbled 5 times and were intercepted once. That is a reason why sane OCs don't run Martz's O and why nobody is snatching him up now. Ok, if you think this dispells the notion of my post it doesn't. It strengthens it. You're saying that other Offensive Coordinators shouldn't get praised for getting WRs open vs. our sh*tty defense, right? Well lets look at the teams Schottenheimer coached agains this season: Kansas City (2-14), St. Louis (2-14), Seattle (4-12), Cincinnati (4-11-1), Oakland (5-11), San Francisco (7-9), Buffalo x2 (7-9), etc. I responded to this in your other post. You are simply wrong if you think that the Jets schedule was so weak. They scored more points than the other teams average allowed 10 times and less 6. How'd he do against the #2 D in the NFL? The #8? Why wasn't Schotty able to design plays to get wide open receivers against competition like this? I don't know .... maybe because he SUCKS! So again, you're strengthening my points by saying it should be easy vs. weak defenses. I am not arguing that he should be the head coach or even OC. I am saying that you shouldn't be saying "he SUCKS!" He doesn't. Zealotry is the enemy of reason. I watched them every week also and I 100% stand on what I said earlier. Gilbride >>>>>>>>>>> Schotty. Gilbride will be a head coach in the NFL within 2-3 years. Schotty will not be. I disagree about Gilbride, but that's fine. I don't care what he does as long as he doesn't come here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMJ Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 We will have to agree to disagree then. I think Schotty was very sub-par and unimaginitive against weak opposition and you think he wasn't. The space-time continuum is still in order. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barton Posted January 14, 2009 Share Posted January 14, 2009 I'd rather go at Braylon Edwards. Might cost less too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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