ZachEY Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Before you get all crazy, I'm not suggesting the Jets get involved, but I'm wondering if SF could trade him? At what point do you cut your loses on this guy and see if you can't pick up a 1st rounder, or even a 2nd rounder in next years draft for him? He's about to miss the 2nd week, and there's really no signs of this ending any time soon. I assume SF gets no compenstation if he re-enters the draft... So why not make him the highest bidder's problem. Surely some team would part with something for him. No? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Before you get all crazy, I'm not suggesting the Jets get involved, but I'm wondering if SF could trade him? At what point do you cut your loses on this guy and see if you can't pick up a 1st rounder, or even a 2nd rounder in next years draft for him? He's about to miss the 2nd week, and there's really no signs of this ending any time soon. I assume SF gets no compenstation if he re-enters the draft... So why not make him the highest bidder's problem. Surely some team would part with something for him. No? Next years #1 is fine with me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 have to sign and trade i think.. and that takes cooperation from everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Before you get all crazy, I'm not suggesting the Jets get involved, but I'm wondering if SF could trade him? At what point do you cut your loses on this guy and see if you can't pick up a 1st rounder, or even a 2nd rounder in next years draft for him? He's about to miss the 2nd week, and there's really no signs of this ending any time soon. I assume SF gets no compenstation if he re-enters the draft... So why not make him the highest bidder's problem. Surely some team would part with something for him. No? Can they trade him before they sign him? Im asking because I don;t know. Not that he will, but if Tanny pulled that off Tanny better be going to Canton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damaged89 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Does anyone really want him? He basically wants to change the way draft picks are paid because he feels he should get more than DHB. Dude is prepared to sit out the entire season rather than take "only" 5 million dollars a year. 5 million a year that he hasn't earned yet. Can you say headcase? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Does anyone really want him? He basically wants to change the way draft picks are paid because he feels he should get more than DHB. Dude is prepared to sit out the entire season rather than take "only" 5 million dollars a year. 5 million a year that he hasn't earned yet. Can you say headcase? he can make much more in NY off the field Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 17, 2009 Author Share Posted September 17, 2009 have to sign and trade i think.. and that takes cooperation from everyone Was Eli Manning signed when the Chargers traded him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Troll Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Anyone remember Mike Williams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Does anyone really want him? He basically wants to change the way draft picks are paid because he feels he should get more than DHB. Dude is prepared to sit out the entire season rather than take "only" 5 million dollars a year. 5 million a year that he hasn't earned yet. Can you say headcase? He's young fast and talented. He could club baby seals on the way to the stadium and I still would take him. Im 45, times running out for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 have to sign and trade i think.. and that takes cooperation from everyone Yeah, and he's already reportedly turned down a contract that offered the largest per slot increase vs. last year's first rounders. What's it gonna take to get him signed? Personally, I think he's an idiot and a problem child who's not worth the trouble. If this is how he behaves before he's even in the league, how's he going to be if he's actually a good NFL receiver? Despite the Jets shortcomings at the position, I'd have no interest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Was Eli Manning signed when the Chargers traded him? we would be stuck if we couldn't sign him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 17, 2009 Author Share Posted September 17, 2009 Yeah, and he's already reportedly turned down a contract that offered the largest per slot increase vs. last year's first rounders. What's it gonna take to get him signed? Personally, I think he's an idiot and a problem child who's not worth the trouble. If this is how he behaves before he's even in the league, how's he going to be if he's actually a good NFL receiver? Despite the Jets shortcomings at the position, I'd have no interest. I don't think I would want him either, as I said in the 1st sentence, I'm just curious if anyone knows the logistics and if other people had thoughts on the idea in general. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mandarinia Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I think if San Fran doesn't sign him, he becomes eligible for the 2010 draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klecko73isGod Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Can they trade him before they sign him? Im asking because I don;t know. Not that he will, but if Tanny pulled that off Tanny better be going to Canton. They can trade his rights. Its no different than trading any player drafted on draft day except it's really ****ed up that he's not signed yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodWearsAGrayHoodie Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 1. trade deadline for unsigned players has passed. So in order to trade SF would have to sign first. If they sign and trade his entire signing bonus would hit the 49ers cap this year. Odds are they neither have the room nor inclination unless someone was to offer a lot. -------- 2. Crabtree would not solve the Jets WR woes for this year. It typically takes a couple of years for a WR to become truely effective. Some really outstanding ones, learn the job in training camp. He has already missed that. He might be good enough to be activiated on game day and used as a back up round week 10 of the season. ------ In other news Crabtree has recently stated that his boyhood idol was the baseball player Matt Harrington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 17, 2009 Author Share Posted September 17, 2009 I think if San Fran doesn't sign him, he becomes eligible for the 2010 draft. Yes, that we know for sure. And that's what he's threatening. But, you would think San Fran would try to sell him first, and I'm not sure they get anything back for him if he refuses to sign. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cant Hackett Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 49ers can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 1. trade deadline for unsigned players has passed. So in order to trade SF would have to sign first. If they sign and trade his entire signing bonus would hit the 49ers cap this year. Odds are they neither have the room nor inclination unless someone was to offer a lot. -------- 2. Crabtree would not solve the Jets WR woes for this year. It typically takes a couple of years for a WR to become truely effective. Some really outstanding ones, learn the job in training camp. He has already missed that. He might be good enough to be activiated on game day and used as a back up round week 10 of the season. ------ In other news Crabtree has recently stated that his boyhood idol was the baseball player Matt Harrington. for next year skippy jets will be drafting in 20's in 2010 worth a gamble Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachEY Posted September 17, 2009 Author Share Posted September 17, 2009 1. trade deadline for unsigned players has passed. So in order to trade SF would have to sign first. If they sign and trade his entire signing bonus would hit the 49ers cap this year. Odds are they neither have the room nor inclination unless someone was to offer a lot. -------- 2. Crabtree would not solve the Jets WR woes for this year. It typically takes a couple of years for a WR to become truely effective. Some really outstanding ones, learn the job in training camp. He has already missed that. He might be good enough to be activiated on game day and used as a back up round week 10 of the season. ------ In other news Crabtree has recently stated that his boyhood idol was the baseball player Matt Harrington. Thanks... This is what I was looking for. The signing bonus could be gotten around as they would have to make a deal that didn't include a signing bonus but other guarentees and roster bonuses (some of which would have to hit immediately) Agreed... I don't think it makes sense for the Jets to do it, but there are a bunch of teams, even the Giants, who it could make a lot of sense for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arsis Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Maybe he wants to be picked by a better team next year so he will sit the year out thinking he will go in the bottom of the 2st next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Next years #1 is fine with me You would give next years #1 now? Why? This season is almost lost for him. He doesn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cant Hackett Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 You would give next years #1 now? Why? This season is almost lost for him. He doesn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.S. Dylan Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 What the hell is this guy's problem? Doesn't he know it's just mo' money mo' problems? Plus, sitting out a whole year? Stupid move if he does do that. He should have signed and been playing already. He's going to totally screw up his career- doubt he's the exception. He's not for the Jets. We can draft/trade/sign for someone in the offseason and we will be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GodWearsAGrayHoodie Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Crabtree is the next Plaxico; he is shooting himself in the foot (leg) He is the next Matt Harrington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 You would give next years #1 now? Why? This season is almost lost for him. He doesn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lupz27 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Dont worry everybody Mr T is going to give up our 1st 2nd and a second in 2011 to trade up and draft Dez Bryant who needs more than 2 or 3 draft picks a yaer anyway. San Fran can trade his rights away before next years draft but not until the free agent signing period starts in the offseason and they have up until midnight the night before the draft then he gets put back in the draft pool. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Because he is better than anything we will get next year this year is a lost cause..next year not so much Why would you say that? WR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 EY, the deadline to trade Crabtree's draft rights passed in August. His rights can't be traded. The only option is a sign-and-trade before the trading deadline in October. But for that to work there can't be a signing bonus because the cap hit against the Niners would be prohibitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afosomf Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Why would you say that? WR’s are one of the high bust Positions. Ask the Lions. Crabtree hasn’t caught a single ball, and already he is making a tool out of himself. The only guarantee you have with Crabtree is that he is going to be a pain in the rear. Right now, and it is very early, I would think there are 4, maybe 5 1st round WR’s Damian Williams, USC Arrelious Benn, Illinois Dez Bryant, Oklahoma State Brandon LaFell, LSU Golden Tate, Notre Dame Plus there might be some excellent FA WR's, or maybe a trade. If the Jets are going to sign a guaranteed pain in the rear WR, i would rather it be one who has played well in the NFL. It depends on how crabtree was rated by jets scouts if they say go who are we to argue... Do not trust DOmers in NFL Dez will be in top 5 out of our reach without major trade up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#27TheDominator Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Plus there might be some excellent FA WR's, or maybe a trade. If the Jets are going to sign a guaranteed pain in the rear WR, i would rather it be one who has played well in the NFL. I looked at the list and I don't think there is going to be much in the way of unrestricted FA WRs. If they don't sign a CBA, then all those rookie year contracts coming up (Marshall, Edwards, etc) will all be restricted and will require a trade. Call me crazy, but I think I might prefer Crabtree to Marshall or Edwards. OTOH, I don't think there is any guarantee Crabtree is particularly fast. IIRC, he was hurt and didn't run at he combine or his pro day and I know there were at least a couple of "experts" expecting him to run high 4.5s or 4.6. Is that a #1? Funniest part is how he had the surgery before his pro day and workouts "to be ready for the season" and everybody was lauding him for foregoing some draft position for the sake of helping out his long term career and future team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 EY, the deadline to trade Crabtree's draft rights passed in August. His rights can't be traded. The only option is a sign-and-trade before the trading deadline in October. But for that to work there can't be a signing bonus because the cap hit against the Niners would be prohibitive. Your right. It's not going to happen because I think a GM would have to be insane to sign this guy right now, but like you said they could give him a no bonus contract, with another contract agreed upon, by the team he will be traded to with a big 2010 roster bonus, or something like that. Only owner I could see doing that is Al Davis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aten Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 EY, the deadline to trade Crabtree's draft rights passed in August. His rights can't be traded. This. And it effectively passed before that because everybody's rookie allocation was used up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Was Eli Manning signed when the Chargers traded him? there's a deadline of some sort.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 They can trade his rights. Its no different than trading any player drafted on draft day except it's really ****ed up that he's not signed yet. see.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flgreen Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Who needs Crabtree. I just heard on ESPN Charles Rogers is making a comeback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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