CTM Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 anyway, i'm done arguing.. if the doc i want to vote for gets to l-1 i'll hammer.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 and we lynch one of them leaving 3 left, 2 of whom are scum, and we get a jif investigation result.. most likely we have 100% chance of dead scum tomorrow, (either jif htis tonight or he clears a true innocent) .. in the odd chance that jif investigates the godfather, we're still dealing with 50/50 odds tomorrow between the remainin 2.. ( or hey, we can lynch one of the docs tomorrow if jif misses tonight and have the same 50/50 bet) my point is that there's many path's to victory by waiting, whereas there's basically 1 path to victory if we decide now. We have to pick right. stop trying to play SMC cause you know he's a #'s guy. SMC you have an answer as to why CTM is still alive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 stop trying to play SMC cause you know he's a #'s guy. SMC you have an answer as to why CTM is still alive? fu.. I'm about ready to vote you just to prove that we should've waited.. pig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 and we lynch one of them leaving 3 left, 2 of whom are scum, and we get a jif investigation result.. most likely we have 100% chance of dead scum tomorrow, (either jif htis tonight or he clears a true innocent) .. in the odd chance that jif investigates the godfather, we're still dealing with 50/50 odds tomorrow between the remainin 2.. ( or hey, we can lynch one of the docs tomorrow if jif misses tonight and have the same 50/50 bet) my point is that there's many path's to victory by waiting, whereas there's basically 1 path to victory if we decide now. We have to pick right. That makes sense. BUT, would the scum be willing to keep Wmb alive another night? If he's the vig (not a one shot, but multishot) isn't he a bigger threat to them than us? I've been on scum teams who had victory in hand, only to have it ruined by the vig/sk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 fu.. I'm about ready to vote you just to prove that we should've waited.. pig lol. now we're playing mafia! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 fu.. I'm about ready to vote you just to prove that we should've waited.. pig another thing.. why do you think I'm completely ignoring your scenarios and number crunching? because I KNOW I'm the doc and I28 is scum. To me there is no other choice. I28 on the other hand was willing to vote someone else and stretch things out a bit.. why in the hell do you think that is?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWWombat Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I want full reveals from anyone who hasn't revealed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 That makes sense. BUT, would the scum be willing to keep Wmb alive another night? If he's the vig (not a one shot, but multishot) isn't he a bigger threat to them than us? I've been on scum teams who had victory in hand, only to have it ruined by the vig/sk. We're pretty much banking on him not being one shot (something which I think is probably better if he doesn't say). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVM Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I want full reveals from anyone who hasn't revealed. I'll give this a few, but I can't see there being any more roles in the game. We were told going in it'd be vanilla, and Cop, Vig, Doc vs 4 scum seems about right. I've about got my mind made up what I want to do, but unless someone has a big problem I'll wait to see if anyone has any "shockers" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 That makes sense. BUT, would the scum be willing to keep Wmb alive another night? If he's the vig (not a one shot, but multishot) isn't he a bigger threat to them than us? I've been on scum teams who had victory in hand, only to have it ruined by the vig/sk. That's probably who they'd kill, but it's immaterial.. Lets say we lynch avm and he's innocent.. that leaves me, song and bg as the "unknowns".. with eitehr 2 scum or 1 scum left lets' take th 2 scum scenario.. three possible outcomes (and remember that the godfather option is only really an option if 1) there's a godfather in the game and 2) it ISN't whichever doctor is fake claiming) Remember, this is a 16 player game with a cop, doc and 1 shot vig. A godfather is no certainty for balance reasons) 1) Jif investigates and finds scum, we get an almost certain victory 2) Jif investigates a townie and gets innocent... that means tomorrow we are lynching 2 scum out of 2 candidates.. 100% we win 3) Jif investigates scum who happens to be godfather.. that means tomorrow we are lynching with 50/50 odds on the remaining 2 candidates, just like now lets say that the unlikely happenned and jif investigated the godfather night 1. (which is even more unlikely as there might not even be a godfather) two possible outcomes 1) Jif investigates and finds scum, we have a decent path to victory 2) Jif investigates a townie and gets innocent... that means tomorrow we are lynching with 50/50 odds on the remaining 2 candidates, just like now and remembe that in both options the doc is still alive, so jif gets yet anotehr investigation the following night.. to make sure the N1 investigation wasn't the godfather Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I want full reveals from anyone who hasn't revealed. agreed.. as i just said, a cop and doc + a 1 shot vig against 4 scum would mean gf is unlikely imo.. i'm roleless townie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Assuming Wmb isn't a 1 shot vig, why don't we vote for either Pac or I28 and if the town is wrong, Wmb can shot the other one tonight? Vic does standard mafia rules so even if the scum shoot Wmb, his kill shot will go through. That way, we're guaranteed a scum kill, either by this vote or by Wmb's kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 another thing.. why do you think I'm completely ignoring your scenarios and number crunching? because I KNOW I'm the doc and I28 is scum. To me there is no other choice. I28 on the other hand was willing to vote someone else and stretch things out a bit.. why in the hell do you think that is?! dipsh*t, that was the point i made 2 hrs ago.. remember, it's the post you quoted that convinced you i was scum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Assuming Wmb isn't a 1 shot vig, why don't we vote for either Pac or I28 and if the town is wrong, Wmb can shot the other one tonight? Vic does standard mafia rules so even if the scum shoot Wmb, his kill shot will go through. That way, we're guaranteed a scum kill, either by this vote or by Wmb's kill. that was the original plan, but he already said he's a one shot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I want full reveals from anyone who hasn't revealed. one point.. a bulletproof townie should claim roleless, obviously.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWWombat Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Ok I thought about it some more and the smart play is to leave both claimants alive. Think about worst case scenarios. If we lynch wrong but don't hit the doc, then we still presumably have JiF for another night. If we hit the doc, then we are gonna be at LyLo without a cop. Leaving the "docs" alive provides the best worst case scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleedin Green Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 What a sh*t show. I'm going over and over all of this, and I think at this point I am leaning towards the CTM / AVM direction of things. Either way, our odds of hitting scum in this whole Pac / I28 situation isn't going to get any worse, but with JiF still alive, we get more investigation results and our odds of hitting out of the rest of the pool will only improve. That way, worst case scenario we're hitting a townie with no role or at least only a minor one, while also obviously having a decent shot at hitting scum. Sounds a lot better than potentially killing our doc and then guarantee losing our cop at night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Ok I thought about it some more and the smart play is to leave both claimants alive. Think about worst case scenarios. If we lynch wrong but don't hit the doc, then we still presumably have JiF for another night. If we hit the doc, then we are gonna be at LyLo without a cop. Leaving the "docs" alive provides the best worst case scenario. You're a 1 shot Vig and already used it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 That's probably who they'd kill, but it's immaterial.. Lets say we lynch avm and he's innocent.. that leaves me, song and bg as the "unknowns".. with eitehr 2 scum or 1 scum left lets' take th 2 scum scenario.. three possible outcomes (and remember that the godfather option is only really an option if 1) there's a godfather in the game and 2) it ISN't whichever doctor is fake claiming) Remember, this is a 16 player game with a cop, doc and 1 shot vig. A godfather is no certainty for balance reasons) 1) Jif investigates and finds scum, we get an almost certain victory 2) Jif investigates a townie and gets innocent... that means tomorrow we are lynching 2 scum out of 2 candidates.. 100% we win 3) Jif investigates scum who happens to be godfather.. that means tomorrow we are lynching with 50/50 odds on the remaining 2 candidates, just like now lets say that the unlikely happenned and jif investigated the godfather night 1. (which is even more unlikely as there might not even be a godfather) two possible outcomes 1) Jif investigates and finds scum, we have a decent path to victory 2) Jif investigates a townie and gets innocent... that means tomorrow we are lynching with 50/50 odds on the remaining 2 candidates, just like now and remembe that in both options the doc is still alive, so jif gets yet anotehr investigation the following night.. to make sure the N1 investigation wasn't the godfather This is fine and dandy but I promise you this much. If anyone but I28 or I die I will NOT protect JiF so you can take your investigation scenarios right out of the equation. I will self protect and allow scum to kill him. yeah.. I'm a bastard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 This is fine and dandy but I promise you this much. If anyone but I28 or I die I will NOT protect JiF so you can take your investigation scenarios right out of the equation. I will self protect and allow scum to kill him. yeah.. I'm a bastard. you do realize you can pull this same stunt tomorrow and still be alive and give jif the chance to find the last 2 scumbags? just checking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 you do realize you can pull this same stunt tomorrow and still be alive and give jif the chance to find the last 2 scumbags? just checking I've had it. I28 has to die my man... You'll understand when he flips scum why I have to do this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWWWombat Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I have no more vig kills, SMC. Looks like Pac is the scum and is making his final play. If he is telling the truth about being doc and not healing JiF then he has reached new levels of idiocy. I'm gonna vote for someone on the I28 train. I am down with it being Pac's fault if we lose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I have no more vig kills, SMC. Looks like Pac is the scum and is making his final play. If he is telling the truth about being doc and not healing JiF then he has reached new levels of idiocy. I'm gonna vote for someone on the I28 train. I am down with it being Pac's fault if we lose. Scum making my final wha?? err.. why wouldn't I just go along with voting someone else. You know what whatever dude. If you're town and can't see through the last 20 pages of lies you deserve to lose. Go ahead and lynch me pro. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SMC Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 That sucks, Wmb. Oh well. CTM & Wmb make some good points, but I like the guaranteed lynch tomorrow if we're wrong today so there isn't a true LyLo situation tomorrow because we would 100% know who to lynch. I'm sticking with voting one of the claimed docs, in this case, I28. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 another thing.. why do you think I'm completely ignoring your scenarios and number crunching? because I KNOW I'm the doc and I28 is scum. To me there is no other choice. I28 on the other hand was willing to vote someone else and stretch things out a bit.. why in the hell do you think that is?! Dude, you were willing to vote me or AVM earlier in the game. The bullsh*t you spew is unreal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Dude, you were willing to vote me or AVM earlier in the game. The bullsh*t you spew is unreal... Earlier in this day phase: when JiF decides to enlighten us about AVM's allegiance I don't care which one of them we kill first. I'm dying tonight either way so may as well enjoy it. have to ask though.. is there really something.. ANYTHING, that I28 has said that even makes you think there's a 1% chance he's really the doc? By the same argument that CTM made, and you are just echoing... if you were legit, YOU also wouldn't have been willing to budge. But you unvoted right quick once the speed lynch attempt failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 I have no more vig kills, SMC. Looks like Pac is the scum and is making his final play. If he is telling the truth about being doc and not healing JiF then he has reached new levels of idiocy. I'm gonna vote for someone on the I28 train. I am down with it being Pac's fault if we lose. This is where i'm lining up.. not to keen on rewarding aggressive immaturity, stubbornness and stupidity. And certainly ain't going to be blackmailed. If pac is being honest, town will lose and it will be pac's fault unvote vote pac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 Dude, you were willing to vote me or AVM earlier in the game. The bullsh*t you spew is unreal... You've already won to a certain extent... the fact that you're still alive with all the evidence is astounding. I'm sure I'll catch heat for overreacting later on but I could give 2 sh-ts. I'm a fiery guy and when I'm 100% certain of something this is what I do... In every game I've ever played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 This is where i'm lining up.. not to keen on rewarding aggressive immaturity, stubbornness and stupidity. And certainly ain't going to be blackmailed. If pac is being honest, town will lose and it will be pac's fault unvote vote pac If townies lynch me I am completely fine with it being "my fault".. really.. I am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 dipsh*t, that was the point i made 2 hrs ago.. remember, it's the post you quoted that convinced you i was scum. He's not even bringing his own arguments to the table, and he's hoping nobody goes back and reads my response to you... otherwise, uh oh... another hole in Pac's desperate scramble... Frankly, I'm not sure what you guys are waiting for. He's a trainwreck of inconsistency, and bullsh*t... him threatening to not protect JIF alone is all the reason I would have needed. Outside of a meek reveal, which I've never done before, what have I done to give you reason to doubt me? Nothing. I live through today and JIF lives through tonight, plain and simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 He's not even bringing his own arguments to the table, and he's hoping nobody goes back and reads my response to you... otherwise, uh oh... another hole in Pac's desperate scramble... Frankly, I'm not sure what you guys are waiting for. He's a trainwreck of inconsistency, and bullsh*t... him threatening to not protect JIF alone is all the reason I would have needed. Outside of a meek reveal, which I've never done before, what have I done to give you reason to doubt me? Nothing. I live through today and JIF lives through tonight, plain and simple. that's all well and good, but i definitely believe his reveal more.. He's just being an amazing douche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 He's not even bringing his own arguments to the table, and he's hoping nobody goes back and reads my response to you... otherwise, uh oh... another hole in Pac's desperate scramble... Frankly, I'm not sure what you guys are waiting for. He's a trainwreck of inconsistency, and bullsh*t... him threatening to not protect JIF alone is all the reason I would have needed. Outside of a meek reveal, which I've never done before, what have I done to give you reason to doubt me? Nothing. I live through today and JIF lives through tonight, plain and simple. You've played a horrific game and you're hoping my "emotional outbursts" help you to sway indecisive townies. See when you scrape through all your BS though all I'm doing is saying LYNCH ME OR I28... If I think a threat is going to help achieve the goal of killing you and winning the game that's the way I'm going to play it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Integrity28 Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 You've already won to a certain extent... the fact that you're still alive with all the evidence is astounding. I'm sure I'll catch heat for overreacting later on but I could give 2 sh-ts. I'm a fiery guy and when I'm 100% certain of something this is what I do... In every game I've ever played. Speaking of which, where is "all the evidence" that you have NOT pointed out? More bullsh*t. You act like nobody has paid attention for the past week... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pac Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 that's all well and good, but i definitely believe his reveal more.. He's just being an amazing douche we've all been there in these games.. even you. if voting me off because I'm "being a douche" feels better for townies than winning a game they've played for 2 weeks then they can go ahead. I apologize for nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted February 3, 2011 Share Posted February 3, 2011 we've all been there in these games.. even you. if voting me off because I'm "being a douche" feels better for townies than winning a game they've played for 2 weeks then they can go ahead. I apologize for nothing. should einstein apologize for being smart? i think not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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