kelly Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Did you know a Draft pick the Jets made almost two decades ago is still providing them value? Back in 1996, the Jets used the top overall pick on Keyshawn Johnson. Johnson played four season with the Jets. He was a Pro Bowler in two of them. The team traded him to Tampa Bay shortly before the 2000 NFL Draft. The Buccaneers in exchange traded the Jets a pair of first round picks, 13th and 27th overall picks. With the 27th pick, the Jets took tight end Anthony Becht from West Virginia. The 13th pick was used to take edge rusher John Abraham.Abraham played six seasons with the Jets. He made three Pro Bowls. Before the 2006 Draft, unable and perhaps unwilling to work out a long-term contract with Abraham, they traded the pass rusher to the Atlanta Falcons for the 29th overall pick in the Draft. The Jets used that pick on Ohio State center Nick Mangold, who is a six time Pro Bowler.Out of a single pick, the Jets have gotten three Pro Bowl players and almost two decades of top level play. I guess Rich Kotite was good for something. > http://www.ganggreennation.com/2015/4/12/8395635/new-york-jets-the-pick-that-keeps-on-giving Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papz187 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Can you imagine a team trading two first rounders now a days for a Keyshawn type receiver? Keyshawn was an excellent receiver for us, but he didn't have game breaking speed or freakish type talent. He was tough, great possession receiver and would go over the middle with great hands. No way a team would trade 2 firsts for a similar player in today's game IMO......outside of Calvin Johnson or maybe a Dez or OBJ I can't see a team trading two firsts for a WR. Ended up being a good trade for us, too bad we wasted one of the picks on Becht though. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Can you imagine a team trading two first rounders now a days for a Keyshawn type receiver? Keyshawn was an excellent receiver for us, but he didn't have game breaking speed or freakish type talent. He was tough, great possession receiver and would go over the middle with great hands. No way a team would trade 2 firsts for a similar player in today's game IMO......outside of Calvin Johnson or maybe a Dez or OBJ I can't see a team trading two firsts for a WR. Ended up being a good trade for us, too bad we wasted one of the picks on Becht though. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk That trade was the best GM move Parcells made. Side note, He traded the #1 overall for the #6, plus a 3 and a 4. Can you imagine now going from 1-6 and that's all you get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papz187 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 That trade was the best GM move Parcells made. Side note, He traded the #1 overall for the #6, plus a 3 and a 4. Can you imagine now going from 1-6 and that's all you get? That's right.....yeah now that would cost you a first the following year plus a 2nd as well you would think. And if there is a franchise QB at #1, then your going to pay an enormous amount like the Redskins did for the right to draft RG3. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 and , we got Chad. A player who now looking back, had us ignore the QB position for 6 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 This is certainly an interesting spin on trading a hall of fame pass rusher for a center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papz187 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 This is certainly an interesting spin on trading a hall of fame pass rusher for a center. Yeah at the time it was tough trading Abe.....despite missing those playoff games, I was still a huge fan of his and we haven't had rusher of his caliber since. I think the big reason for the trade (even more than the contract) was Mangini didn't think he'd fit in his defense, similar to Vilma.... something I dont agree with because when you have a rusher like Abe you find ways to fit him in your scheme. At least we got good value for Abe, we held onto Vilma too long and by the time we traded him only got a mid round pick from NO. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex-Rex Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Did you know a Draft pick the Jets made almost two decades ago is still providing them value? Back in 1996, the Jets used the top overall pick on Keyshawn Johnson. Johnson played four season with the Jets. He was a Pro Bowler in two of them. The team traded him to Tampa Bay shortly before the 2000 NFL Draft. The Buccaneers in exchange traded the Jets a pair of first round picks, 13th and 27th overall picks. With the 27th pick, the Jets took tight end Anthony Becht from West Virginia. The 13th pick was used to take edge rusher John Abraham.Abraham played six seasons with the Jets. He made three Pro Bowls. Before the 2006 Draft, unable and perhaps unwilling to work out a long-term contract with Abraham, they traded the pass rusher to the Atlanta Falcons for the 29th overall pick in the Draft. The Jets used that pick on Ohio State center Nick Mangold, who is a six time Pro Bowler.Out of a single pick, the Jets have gotten three Pro Bowl players and almost two decades of top level play. I guess Rich Kotite was good for something. > http://www.ganggreennation.com/2015/4/12/8395635/new-york-jets-the-pick-that-keeps-on-giving Sorry Kelly, but Rich Kotite had NOTHING to do with trading Keyshawn. That was Bill Parcells doing and you are right, it has paid dividends for quite some time. Kotite drafted Keyshawn then totally pi$$ed off his rookie WR by not giving him the damn ball. Key wrote a book about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jet9 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 This is certainly an interesting spin on trading a hall of fame pass rusher for a center. You forgot to type Hall of Fame before you typed center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Did I miss something here? When did Anthony Becht make a Pro Bowl or provide the Jets with top level anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerfish Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Becht had bad hands before it was fashionable to have bad hands. Mulligan, McCairens, Hill all have to thank Becht for setting an example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Can you imagine a team trading two first rounders now a days for a Keyshawn type receiver? Keyshawn was an excellent receiver for us, but he didn't have game breaking speed or freakish type talent. He was tough, great possession receiver and would go over the middle with great hands. No way a team would trade 2 firsts for a similar player in today's game IMO......outside of Calvin Johnson or maybe a Dez or OBJ I can't see a team trading two firsts for a WR. Ended up being a good trade for us, too bad we wasted one of the picks on Becht though. Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Agreed 100%. He was a good player for the Jets but the whole time he was with us I wondered how he went number 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Harper Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Sorry Kelly, but Rich Kotite had NOTHING to do with trading Keyshawn. That was Bill Parcells doing and you are right, it has paid dividends for quite some time. Kotite drafted Keyshawn then totally pi$$ed off his rookie WR by not giving him the damn ball. Key wrote a book about it. He got the ball plenty. He was just butthurt because the undrafted Chrebet ended up catching as many balls as he did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southparkcpa Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 You forgot to type Hall of Fame before you typed center. Interesting...you think Nick is HOF?? probably, but O-Lineman is a difficult position to measure. I always wonder who the next NY JET to the HOF will be. Revis, Mangold??? Am I missing anyone? REX? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papz187 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Interesting...you think Nick is HOF?? probably, but O-Lineman is a difficult position to measure. I always wonder who the next NY JET to the HOF will be. Revis, Mangold??? Am I missing anyone? REX? I'd say Mangold has been the best center over the span of his career IMO. Mangold has made 6 Pro Bowls (I know doesn't mean much) and 2 first team All Pro's. For comparison, Kevin Mawae was a HOF semi-finalist this year and he made 8 Pro Bowls and 3 first team All Pro's. I know, it's not an exact science to judge a players ability, but it is hard to judge offensive linemen and determine if they're HOF worthy or not. I'd say at the very least Mangold should make the Jets "Ring of Honor" and be a serious HOF candidate. I think Mawae is a HOFer for the record and will get in eventually. Something I just found out about Mawae is he is on Pro Football Hall of Fame all 2000's first team. Link: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/awards/pfhof_all_decade_2000.htm?mobile_long=false Sent from my SGH-M919 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miss Lonelyhearts Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Did I miss something here? When did Anthony Becht make a Pro Bowl or provide the Jets with top level anything? He played for more than ten years. That's a hit. The difference between getting Becht and Revis is basically luck. Four first rounders in one draft without a Gholston is really good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 He played for more than ten years. That's a hit. The difference between getting Becht and Revis is basically luck. Four first rounders in one draft without a Gholston is really good. Do you know how insignificant Anthony Becht was? There is not one animated gif of him on the Internet. Not one. And that is a way better gage than this career longevity black magic that you seem to be relying on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 He played for more than ten years. That's a hit. The difference between getting Becht and Revis is basically luck. Four first rounders in one draft without a Gholston is really good. They also got Coles in the 3rd round, another great value. Not a HOF player, but a guy who played a long time with a good career. That was a great draft all the way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted April 13, 2015 Author Share Posted April 13, 2015 Sorry Kelly, but Rich Kotite had NOTHING to do with trading Keyshawn. That was Bill Parcells doing and you are right, it has paid dividends for quite some time. Kotite drafted Keyshawn then totally pi$$ed off his rookie WR by not giving him the damn ball. Key wrote a book about it. just an fyi ; pls note I did Not write / author the article. cheers ~ ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 That trade was the best GM move Parcells made. Side note, He traded the #1 overall for the #6, plus a 3 and a 4. Can you imagine now going from 1-6 and that's all you get? Except it was his intention to be on the other end of that trade. He was trying to get the TB job for himself and wanted to bring Keyshawn with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirorob Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 Except it was his intention to be on the other end of that trade. He was trying to get the TB job for himself and wanted to bring Keyshawn with him. Well then, as the Tampa GM he overpaid. Then again, Joey Galloway went for first rounders.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TuscanyTile2 Posted April 13, 2015 Share Posted April 13, 2015 just an fyi ; pls note I did Not write / author the article. cheers ~ ~ Pretty sure you've been blamed several times before for points made in an article that you posted, but didn't write. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirlancemehlot Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 This is certainly an interesting spin on trading a hall of fame pass rusher for a center. J Abe was a drunkard and a malcontent. he cleaned up his act later in life, but the choice was to keep him or Ellis. Both had great careers. so we kept Ellis and got Mangold to boot. That's my spin. I think it worked out well for us. Also, I'm with you on Becht. He was a true beast blocking TE who could be a receiving threat when he didn't drop the ball. Becht did his best work in the trenches and there isn't anyone I can think of that was better at blocking from the TE position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
j4jets Posted April 14, 2015 Share Posted April 14, 2015 Pretty sure you've been blamed several times before for points made in an article that you posted, but didn't write. He always does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelly Posted April 14, 2015 Author Share Posted April 14, 2015 Pretty sure you've been blamed several times before for points made in an article that you posted, but didn't write. yup.. cheers ~ ~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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