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Did you know a Draft pick the Jets made almost two decades ago is still providing them value? Back in 1996, the Jets used the top overall pick on Keyshawn Johnson. Johnson played four season with the Jets. He was a Pro Bowler in two of them.

 

The team traded him to Tampa Bay shortly before the 2000 NFL Draft. The Buccaneers in exchange traded the Jets a pair of first round picks, 13th and 27th overall picks. With the 27th pick, the Jets took tight end Anthony Becht from West Virginia. The 13th pick was used to take edge rusher John Abraham.Abraham played six seasons with the Jets. He made three Pro Bowls. Before the 2006 Draft, unable and perhaps unwilling to work out a long-term contract with Abraham, they traded the pass rusher to the Atlanta Falcons for the 29th overall pick in the Draft.

 

The Jets used that pick on Ohio State center Nick Mangold, who is a six time Pro Bowler.Out of a single pick, the Jets have gotten three Pro Bowl players and almost two decades of top level play. I guess Rich Kotite was good for something.

 

> http://www.ganggreennation.com/2015/4/12/8395635/new-york-jets-the-pick-that-keeps-on-giving

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Can you imagine a team trading two first rounders now a days for a Keyshawn type receiver?

Keyshawn was an excellent receiver for us, but he didn't have game breaking speed or freakish type talent. He was tough, great possession receiver and would go over the middle with great hands. No way a team would trade 2 firsts for a similar player in today's game IMO......outside of Calvin Johnson or maybe a Dez or OBJ I can't see a team trading two firsts for a WR. Ended up being a good trade for us, too bad we wasted one of the picks on Becht though.

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Can you imagine a team trading two first rounders now a days for a Keyshawn type receiver?

Keyshawn was an excellent receiver for us, but he didn't have game breaking speed or freakish type talent. He was tough, great possession receiver and would go over the middle with great hands. No way a team would trade 2 firsts for a similar player in today's game IMO......outside of Calvin Johnson or maybe a Dez or OBJ I can't see a team trading two firsts for a WR. Ended up being a good trade for us, too bad we wasted one of the picks on Becht though.

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That trade was the best GM move Parcells made.

 

Side note, He traded the #1 overall for the #6, plus a 3 and a 4.   Can you imagine now going from 1-6 and that's all you get?

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That trade was the best GM move Parcells made.

Side note, He traded the #1 overall for the #6, plus a 3 and a 4. Can you imagine now going from 1-6 and that's all you get?

That's right.....yeah now that would cost you a first the following year plus a 2nd as well you would think. And if there is a franchise QB at #1, then your going to pay an enormous amount like the Redskins did for the right to draft RG3.

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This is certainly an interesting spin on trading a hall of fame pass rusher for a center.

Yeah at the time it was tough trading Abe.....despite missing those playoff games, I was still a huge fan of his and we haven't had rusher of his caliber since.

I think the big reason for the trade (even more than the contract) was Mangini didn't think he'd fit in his defense, similar to Vilma.... something I dont agree with because when you have a rusher like Abe you find ways to fit him in your scheme.

At least we got good value for Abe, we held onto Vilma too long and by the time we traded him only got a mid round pick from NO.

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Did you know a Draft pick the Jets made almost two decades ago is still providing them value? Back in 1996, the Jets used the top overall pick on Keyshawn Johnson. Johnson played four season with the Jets. He was a Pro Bowler in two of them.

 

The team traded him to Tampa Bay shortly before the 2000 NFL Draft. The Buccaneers in exchange traded the Jets a pair of first round picks, 13th and 27th overall picks. With the 27th pick, the Jets took tight end Anthony Becht from West Virginia. The 13th pick was used to take edge rusher John Abraham.Abraham played six seasons with the Jets. He made three Pro Bowls. Before the 2006 Draft, unable and perhaps unwilling to work out a long-term contract with Abraham, they traded the pass rusher to the Atlanta Falcons for the 29th overall pick in the Draft.

 

The Jets used that pick on Ohio State center Nick Mangold, who is a six time Pro Bowler.Out of a single pick, the Jets have gotten three Pro Bowl players and almost two decades of top level play. I guess Rich Kotite was good for something.

 

> http://www.ganggreennation.com/2015/4/12/8395635/new-york-jets-the-pick-that-keeps-on-giving

Sorry Kelly, but Rich Kotite had NOTHING to do with trading Keyshawn. That was Bill Parcells doing and you are right, it has paid dividends for quite some time. Kotite drafted Keyshawn then totally pi$$ed off his rookie WR by not giving him the damn ball. Key wrote a book about it.

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Can you imagine a team trading two first rounders now a days for a Keyshawn type receiver?

Keyshawn was an excellent receiver for us, but he didn't have game breaking speed or freakish type talent. He was tough, great possession receiver and would go over the middle with great hands. No way a team would trade 2 firsts for a similar player in today's game IMO......outside of Calvin Johnson or maybe a Dez or OBJ I can't see a team trading two firsts for a WR. Ended up being a good trade for us, too bad we wasted one of the picks on Becht though.

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Agreed 100%. He was a good player for the Jets but the whole time he was with us I wondered how he went number 1.

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Sorry Kelly, but Rich Kotite had NOTHING to do with trading Keyshawn. That was Bill Parcells doing and you are right, it has paid dividends for quite some time. Kotite drafted Keyshawn then totally pi$$ed off his rookie WR by not giving him the damn ball. Key wrote a book about it.

 

He got the ball plenty. He was just butthurt because the undrafted Chrebet ended up catching as many balls as he did.

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You forgot to type Hall of Fame before you typed center.

Interesting...you think Nick is HOF??    probably, but O-Lineman is a difficult position to measure.

 

I always wonder who the next NY JET to the HOF will be.

 

Revis, Mangold???   Am I missing anyone?   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

REX? :sign0182:

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Interesting...you think Nick is HOF?? probably, but O-Lineman is a difficult position to measure.

I always wonder who the next NY JET to the HOF will be.

Revis, Mangold??? Am I missing anyone?

REX? :sign0182:

I'd say Mangold has been the best center over the span of his career IMO. Mangold has made 6 Pro Bowls (I know doesn't mean much) and 2 first team All Pro's. For comparison, Kevin Mawae was a HOF semi-finalist this year and he made 8 Pro Bowls and 3 first team All Pro's.

I know, it's not an exact science to judge a players ability, but it is hard to judge offensive linemen and determine if they're HOF worthy or not. I'd say at the very least Mangold should make the Jets "Ring of Honor" and be a serious HOF candidate.

I think Mawae is a HOFer for the record and will get in eventually. Something I just found out about Mawae is he is on Pro Football Hall of Fame all 2000's first team.

Link: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/awards/pfhof_all_decade_2000.htm?mobile_long=false

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He played for more than ten years. That's a hit. The difference between getting Becht and Revis is basically luck. Four first rounders in one draft without a Gholston is really good.

 

Do you know how insignificant Anthony Becht was? There is not one animated gif of him on the Internet. Not one. And that is a way better gage than this career longevity black magic that you seem to be relying on.

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He played for more than ten years. That's a hit. The difference between getting Becht and Revis is basically luck. Four first rounders in one draft without a Gholston is really good.

They also got Coles in the 3rd round, another great value.  Not a HOF player, but a guy who played a long time with a good career.

 

That was a great draft all the way around.

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Sorry Kelly, but Rich Kotite had NOTHING to do with trading Keyshawn. That was Bill Parcells doing and you are right, it has paid dividends for quite some time. Kotite drafted Keyshawn then totally pi$$ed off his rookie WR by not giving him the damn ball. Key wrote a book about it.

 

just an fyi ; pls note I did Not write / author the article.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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That trade was the best GM move Parcells made.

 

Side note, He traded the #1 overall for the #6, plus a 3 and a 4.   Can you imagine now going from 1-6 and that's all you get?

Except it was his intention to be on the other end of that trade. He was trying to get the TB job for himself and wanted to bring Keyshawn with him.

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Except it was his intention to be on the other end of that trade. He was trying to get the TB job for himself and wanted to bring Keyshawn with him.

Well then, as the Tampa GM he overpaid.

 

Then again, Joey Galloway went for first rounders..

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This is certainly an interesting spin on trading a hall of fame pass rusher for a center.

J Abe was a drunkard and a malcontent.  he cleaned up his act later in life, but the choice was to keep him or Ellis.  Both had great careers.  so we kept Ellis and got Mangold to boot.  That's my spin.  I think it worked out well for us.

 

Also, I'm with you on Becht.  He was a true beast blocking TE who could be a receiving threat when he didn't drop the ball.  Becht did his best work in the trenches and there isn't anyone I can think of that was better at blocking from the TE position.

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