JetBlue Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Fitz' veteran leadership has been on display for two weeks and while he does have some limitations physically, he makes up for them with his savvy and knowledge of this offense. He is kind of a like an extension of Bowles on the field in that he maintains a calm demeanor and that carries over to the offense. His command of the offense makes it easy for the players to trust him. So far he has not made the GLARING morale killing mistake that become so common under Smith. Now 2-0, the players surely believe in him and his ability to get the job done. For Geno, this is the first time in his young career that he can actually sit, watch and learn from a true veteran quarterback. This is what he needed to have done to start his career. I know it is popular on this board to dump all over the guy but this may wind up paying dividends down the road. Between Petty and Geno both carry clipboards this year (barring injury) they both could and should become better players. That is really a WIN WIN for us. Before folks laugh at the idea of Geno every playing again, please look at some of the sorry ass quarterbacks who are currently starting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GandWFan Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I think Geno should start next year. For another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 i'm not so sure getting punched was good for anyone, Jets included, but I do HOPE he makes the best of this situation and learns the offense while being on the sidelines... I would be utterly, and entirely shocked if Fitz plays 16 games... It's not his M.O... at some point in Oct, Nov, etc - the wheels are going to come off, like they did for a quarter last night. Geno better be effin' ready when that time comes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 at some point in Oct, Nov, etc - the wheels are going to come off If we are going by MO's, Geno's is to be the worst starting QB in the league It's possible Fitz can improve, right? Late-ish career guy finding his stride in the right situation. Could be a Rich Gannon or vinny T situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 i'm not so sure getting punched was good for anyone, Jets included, but I do HOPE he makes the best of this situation and learns the offense while being on the sidelines... I would be utterly, and entirely SHOCKED if Fitz plays 16 games... It's not his M.O... at some point in Oct, Nov, etc - the wheels are going to come off, like they did for a quarter last night. Geno better effin' ready when that time comes. You are right I didn't mean that he deserved to get punched. I simply meant that it may have worked out for both him and the team even if it is for the short term. Also I am inclined to agree with you about Fitz; I think Geno will see the field again at some point this season. It will be his chance to prove he deserves another opportunity to start in this league, whether it is for the Jets or another team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flushing Roots Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 My vote goes to IK for MVP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 If we are going by MO's, Geno's is to be the worst starting QB in the league It's possible Fitz can improve, right? Late-ish career guy finding his stride in the right situation. Could be a Rich Gannon or vinny T situation. Bingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Disagree. I think IK could have been another contributor on defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 Bingo You realize he has only played 2 years, and should have been on the sidelines learning for most of them, right? Bingo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 does anyone here think geno would be any better than petty next season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 If we are going by MO's, Geno's is to be the worst starting QB in the league It's possible Fitz can improve, right? Late-ish career guy finding his stride in the right situation. Could be a Rich Gannon or vinny T situation. Bit, your assessment of our roster talent is about as astute as your draft analysis - which is to say suspect at best. So Fitz can reinvent himself at 40 from a turnover proned lawn chair, but Geno (who's younger and honestly more talented) can't? Have another burger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 You realize he has only played 2 years, and should have been on the sidelines learning for most of them, right? Bingo Yep, I watch every game usually more than once. You rarely get that luxury in todays NFL. Just dont think Geno will ever be the guy. Constantly something with him it seems, on or off the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 does anyone here think geno would be any better than petty next season? Are you kidding? The only thing i'm sure of, is that Petty is worse than everyone. BEST case scenario, he's a serviceable #2 after years of grooming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sackdance Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 If we are going by MO's, Geno's is to be the worst starting QB in the league It's possible Fitz can improve, right? Late-ish career guy finding his stride in the right situation. Could be a Rich Gannon or vinny T situation. For many it's as if the last two years didn't exist. "Fritz" is doing great. There's a gameplan and he's executing within it. For past two games, I don't think I can recall a single instance where our QB held the ball too long or has taken a helpless coverage sack - I'm sure this feels as foreign to many of you as it does to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 Bit, your assessment of our roster talent is about as astute as your draft analysis - which is to say suspect at best. So Fitz can reinvent himself at 40 from a turnover proned lawn chair, but Geno (who's younger and honestly more talented) can't? Have another burger. The "Hate" has gotten to ridiculous levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rex-n-effect Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Geno probably looked better on the practice field in camp. He has a tendency to look good when it doesn't matter and awful when it does. What the punch did was save us from 2-4 losses before Bowles decided it was time to yank out Geno and stick in Fitz assuming Bowles and the rest of the staff can't get Geno to something more than a bottom of the league passer. I don't see anything about Geno that has changed my mind about his attitude or decision-making since the start of training camp to dissuade me from that assumption. I am open to the idea that he is learning from the coaches and Fitz but given how disengaged he seems during the games it doesn't seem that way. I'd like to be wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 does anyone here think geno would be any better than petty next season? I have no idea, but having both learn from the sidelines should help them both, don't you think? Let them compete and the best man wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I don't buy that at all, QB has not been the difference and the QB actually held us back last night and kept Indy in it. I like Fitz, he's doing ok but the difference has been the D not the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 For many it's as if the last two years didn't exist. "Fritz" is doing great. There's a gameplan and he's executing within it. For past two games, I don't think I can recall a single instance where our QB held the ball too long or has taken a helpless coverage sack - I'm sure this feels as foreign to many of you as it does to me. no doubt -- did you watch Fitz w/ HOU and TEN?? You guys gotta be kidding me! We had 63 turnovers last night and couldn't put a 2 score gap between us and the Colts, meanwhile "the magic" spent 2 quarters throwing ducks to a triple covered Marshall... Gimme a break. This offense is a work in progress -- for BOTH Fitz and Geno... we'll see how the next 6 weeks go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 Geno probably looked better on the practice field in camp. He has a tendency to look good when it doesn't matter and awful when it does. What the punch did was save us from 2-4 losses before Bowles decided it was time to yank out Geno and stick in Fitz assuming Bowles and the rest of the staff can't get Geno to something more than a bottom of the league passer. I don't see anything about Geno that has changed my mind about his attitude or decision-making since the start of training camp to dissuade me from that assumption. I am open to the idea that he is learning from the coaches and Fitz but given how disengaged he seems during the games it doesn't seem that way. I'd like to be wrong. That is the premise of the thread; that he can now relax and focus on learning the offense and observing game action and the decision making of a veteran QB. I don't understand where you are getting this disengaged stuff; he looked plenty engaged to me. Not sure where that is coming from... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 So Fitz can reinvent himself at 40 from a turnover proned lawn chair, but Geno (who's younger and honestly more talented) can't? Are you kidding? The only thing i'm sure of, is that Petty is worse than everyone. BEST case scenario, he's a serviceable #2 after years of grooming. So turnover machine Geno can definitely improve but rookie Bryce Petty can never be an effective NFL starter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 You guys gotta be kidding me! We had 63 turnovers last night and couldn't put a 2 score gap between us and the Colts, meanwhile "the magic" spent 2 quarters throwing ducks to a triple covered Marshall... For once we have a QB who is throwing more TD's (4) than picks (2). And I don't get queasy when he drops back to throw either. That's not the highest level of QB play we should look for but it sure as hell is progress from what we've had the last 6 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetBlue Posted September 22, 2015 Author Share Posted September 22, 2015 no doubt -- did you watch Fitz w/ HOU and TEN?? You guys gotta be kidding me! We had 63 turnovers last night and couldn't put a 2 score gap between us and the Colts, meanwhile "the magic" spent 2 quarters throwing ducks to a triple covered Marshall... Gimme a break. This offense is a work in progress -- for BOTH Fitz and Geno... we'll see how the next 6 weeks go. The major factor with Fitz so far is the lack of the momentum or game changing turnover. As long as he can avoid that he will probably continue to get starts. So far he has 4 tds and two ints and neither of them effected the outcome of the games. As you said lets see if he can continue this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I wish Geno the best and hope Fitz passes the torch to him and he takes us to the Super Bowl Russell Wilson style. Honestly I only see the QB who got pulled in that Buffalo game in the first quarter. Im glad hes on the roster in this QB barren NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaJet Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Let the best man play, whether that's Fitz, Geno, or Petty. In Bowles I trust! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lego My Lageman Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Let the best man play, whether that's Fitz, Geno, or Petty. In Bowles I trust! Bowles doesnt play, come ready or grab a clipboard! Bowles Knows......great idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 The major factor with Fitz so far is the lack of the momentum or game changing turnover. As long as he can avoid that he will probably continue to get starts. So far he has 4 tds and two ints and neither of them effected the outcome of the games. As you said lets see if he can continue this. Not to mention his 2 picks this year were not nearly as stupid as some of the picks we've seen in the past. He's not prone to throw that back-breaking pick in the red zone. His picks tend to come when he's throwing downfield trying to be aggressive. Not every INT is made equal, especially after having watched so many of Sanchez and Geno's picks go for 6 the other way, directly contributing to losses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sackdance Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 no doubt -- did you watch Fitz w/ HOU and TEN?? You guys gotta be kidding me! We had 63 turnovers last night and couldn't put a 2 score gap between us and the Colts, meanwhile "the magic" spent 2 quarters throwing ducks to a triple covered Marshall... Gimme a break. This offense is a work in progress -- for BOTH Fitz and Geno... we'll see how the next 6 weeks go. Fantasy footballer / Madden fanboy spotted? Perhaps you noticed when the Colts made it a 10-7 game, the Jets marched the ball 80 yards for an emphatic TD. You should be crediting the coaching rather than criticizing the offense. We were in control last night. If you doubt we were in control, just remember how many losses we incurred under Rex Ryan where catchup only seemed a possession away ... yet whenever the opposing team needed to score (after Jets put up points or during opponents last possession of the 1st half) they did. When you put all of those games together, those games where we just needed a little more offense to win - you see how similar they were, the teams we lost to were in control the whole time. To quote Herm because I'll always remember him fondly: "you play to win the game". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 The QB position is far from the reason why the Jets have won the past 2 games. However, it's nice not talking about how our QB lost yet another game. I was in the start Geno camp and if the punch never happened, I'd still be supporting that...but who knows if we'd be 2-0. For that reason alone, this now Fitz's team and should remain that way till the end of the season. He's not good, at all. But we've had much worse. And if the D continues to play the way they've played, Fitz is good enough to make a playoff run and even possibly win a playoff game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 Fantasy footballer / Madden fanboy spotted? Perhaps you noticed when the Colts made it a 10-7 game, the Jets marched the ball 80 yards for an emphatic TD. You should be crediting the coaching rather than criticizing the offense. We were in control last night. If you doubt we were in control, just remember how many losses we incurred under Rex Ryan where catchup only seemed a possession away ... yet whenever the opposing team needed to score (after Jets put up points or during opponents last possession of the 1st half) they did. When you put all of those games together, those games where we just needed a little more offense to win - you see how similar they were, the teams we lost to were generally in control the whole time. To quote Herm because I'll always remember him fondly: "you play to win the game". You're deflecting the topic and my point. I TRUST the coaching staff, and they've earned some leash with the way they've prepared our team thus far. Don't get me wrong, I'm STOKED about the jets this year - which is always why i'm being so picky about this last game from a QB perspective... that was against IND's 4th and 5th string CBs! That sh*t will not fly against a better secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augustiniak Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 The QB position is far from the reason why the Jets have won the past 2 games. disagree. fitz hasn't been perfect but hasn't made the back-breaking decisions that kill momentum, morale and the scoreboard. that has been critical to the jets 2-0 start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradis Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 So turnover machine Geno can definitely improve but rookie Bryce Petty can never be an effective NFL starter? I don't think the putty is there. Not in his case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nyjunc Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 disagree. fitz hasn't been perfect but hasn't made the back-breaking decisions that kill momentum, morale and the scoreboard. that has been critical to the jets 2-0 start. he could have if not picked up by his teammates- Marshall week 1 and the D week 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 disagree. fitz hasn't been perfect but hasn't made the back-breaking decisions that kill momentum, morale and the scoreboard. that has been critical to the jets 2-0 start. That's exactly what I said. haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetsfan80 Posted September 22, 2015 Share Posted September 22, 2015 I don't think the putty is there. Not in his case. Just seems odd to give up on a rookie when you're promoting the idea that Geno can improve. If Geno can improve, Petty definitely can as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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