Kleckineau Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 He wins he wins he wins he wins................what exactly has this guy actually won that counts for something in the books??? Granted it is his 3rd season but call me when he at least has an AFCE 1st place finish on his resume. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irish Jet Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Sanchez will be a good QB in this league, he's getting there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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slats Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 17th in Passer Rating 26th in Completion % 23rd in Yards/attempt 22nd in Yard/game 29th in Total Offense 22nd in Passing Offense ...I was hoping for a little more in his 3rd year. QB's get too much credit when things go well, and too much blame when they don't. There are a lot of problems on offense in the Jets organization, and it starts with Brian Schottenheimer and Matt Cavanaugh, neither of whom do I have any confidence in. Bill Callahan gets treated like some sort of god around here, but the OL has had some serious problems this season, and the running game continues to struggle - despite the re-commitment to it. I also think that even if this offense was doing everything right according to the philosophy of the coaches (Rex right on down), that the stats would still be pretty pedestrian. The offense is here to serve the defense. Control the clock, win the field position battle. Points are often an afterthought, and getting large chunks of yards in a single play goes against the idea of keeping the defense off the field. Mark's biggest issue is the bone-headed turnovers. He can learn not to make those. He may never be elite, but I definitely believe he can be very good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doggin94it Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Needs more stats He's most definitely heading in the right dirrection. He's improved each and every season since being drafted into the league. He survived his rookie season after only 1 year of college starting experience with USC, he avoided the sophmore slump last year, and he's breaking out during his 3rd year in the league this season. It doesn't get much better than that when developing a franchise QB. Outside of the Ravens game? He's gone 138/224, 1,656 yards (236.5 yards per game), a completion percentage of 62.1%, 13 TD's/6 INT's; with a QB rating of 92.8 against the Cowboys, Jaguars, Raiders, Patriots, Dolphins, Chargers and Bills. You can't forget about his 64 rushing yards and two rushing TD's either. You won't find a 3rd year QB with better numbers than those. He's most definitely on pace to finish with a QB rating of 90+ during his 3rd year. Combine his numbers this year, with his 6 career playoff games, where he's gone 4-2 on the road, while throwing for 95/157, 1,155 yards, 60.5%, 9 TD's/3 INT's with a QB rating of 94.3 during 6 career postseason games? And it doesn't get much better than that. This kid is a winner. Only 5 quarterbacks have a postseason career QB rating that ranks higher than Sanchez' playoff performances. Aaron Rodgers. Bart Starr. Kurt Warner. Drew Bress and Joe Montana. Simply amazing. This kid has ice water running through his veins during pressure pressure situations; he's always came up CLUTCH. You can't teach that. But his performance of this year runs much deeper than just statistics alone this season. He's on the verge of breaking out this year, as a 3rd year quarterback, while losing Braylon, Cotchery, Smith, Richardson and Woody during a shortened offseason, while being replaced with a rusty Burress who was away from the game for going on 3 years, an over the hill Mason who was later released, a rookie Kerley, a 2nd year FB in Conner, as well as a RT in Hunter who's struggled during the first 5 weeks of the season. Not to mention the fact that our run game struggled early on, Mangold was out for 2+ games, and Sanchez was forced to QB under center with a 3rd string center in Baxter for 2+ weeks. To make it worse, Baxter's a rookie who wasn't even with the Jets during the offseason. But yet, these little negative critics wanna look at "completion percentage" as a way to harp all over one of the best young QB's in the game today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Santonio Holmes has 25 catches, 340 yards and 4 TDs. Steve Smith has 46 catches, 918 yards and 4 TDs. Whoa, I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
THE ILK Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Santonio Holmes has 25 catches, 340 yards and 4 TDs. Steve Smith has 46 catches, 918 yards and 4 TDs. Whoa, I say. Yeah but who is their OC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainzo Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Win or lose Sunday night, Sanchez is going to have good stats against the Pats D. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green DNA Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I can't totally argue with that. However Sanchez does come through when we need him to. I think a lot of people expect him to be the next great QB, and to be honest I don't think he ever will be. What I do think he will be is "good enough." A guy who won't be considered one of the best, but a guy you can still win a championship with. Sort of like what Phil Simms was. Or Eli Manning. How quickly we forget that Giants fans wanted to run him out of town for the first four years he was here. I have Giants fan friends who still think he sucks a$$ despite the SB win. Some consider hime elite now (not me) but he still throws boneheaded interceptions, like in the Pats game after which he was getting his knob gobbled by all the "experts". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoicsentry Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Santonio Holmes has 25 catches, 340 yards and 4 TDs. Steve Smith has 46 catches, 918 yards and 4 TDs. Whoa, I say. Smith is much better than Holmes. That's all there is to it. If Holmes is so amazing then where is his production? You can point to a few circus catches like the one in the Superbowl, only 1 season of 1,000 yards+... that's it. And it's not as if he's consistently approaching that statistic but falling short, because he only has 1 season between 900-1000. Steve Smith had 5 1,000 yard receiving seasons and will have his sixth this year. Steve Smith has 12 TD's one year, Holmes will never hit double digits. He's a good #2 receiver, that's it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
villain_the_foe Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Our definitions of good must be different. Even excluding the Balt game, he had long stretches of looking completely inept, like the first halves of sd, for instance. I guess what he's saying is by the "end" of the SD game he wasnt too bad. 3 TD's 1 INT and an 87 QB Rating. The kid came up big in the second half if thats the case. He's also has 1 multi INT game this year, though he's thrown an INT in every game except 2. This is still a step up for him though. The kid is coming around, and to show that. Sanchez has thrown a TD in every game excluding baltimore and also has 5 multi TD games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeWillie Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Otherwise, Mrs. Lincoln, how was the show? It was great. We won. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knix Tix Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I think what is key here is that the "O-Line" hs turned a corner! Their improved play have made it possible for the kid to once again have a running game and play action at his disposal -- both of which greatly helps this young QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Read this in the FLGreen's JETS News 11-9 thread. Excerpt: But Sanchez has become less-mistake prone since the shift back to Ground & Pound in Week 5. Since losing to the Patriots in Week 5, Sanchez has posted the second-highest passer rating (94.7) in the AFC. Check it out: Quarterback ---- Rate --- Pct. --- Yds --- TD --- INT Roethlisberger .. 104.6 ... 64.5 ... 1,484 ... 12 ... 3 Sanchez .............. 94.7 .... 60.7 .... 770 ..... 7 .... 2 Dalton ................. 92.6 .... 64.7 .... 828 ..... 8 .... 3 Brady ................... 88.3 .... 65.2 .... 1,150 .. 7 .... 5 Fitzpatrick ........... 86.5 .... 67.8 ..... 890 .... 6 .... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Crusher Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I can't totally argue with that. However Sanchez does come through when we need him to. I think a lot of people expect him to be the next great QB, and to be honest I don't think he ever will be. What I do think he will be is "good enough." A guy who won't be considered one of the best, but a guy you can still win a championship with. Sort of like what Phil Simms was. Actually he comes thru when the rest of the team plays stellar. If the running game is working, the defense is dominating and the special teams is getting him some of the best starting field position then he is a good QB but still prone to boneheaded mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUM-KNEE Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Read this in the FLGreen's JETS News 11-9 thread. Excerpt: But Sanchez has become less-mistake prone since the shift back to Ground & Pound in Week 5. Since losing to the Patriots in Week 5, Sanchez has posted the second-highest passer rating (94.7) in the AFC. Check it out: Quarterback ---- Rate --- Pct. --- Yds --- TD --- INT Roethlisberger .. 104.6 ... 64.5 ... 1,484 ... 12 ... 3 Sanchez .............. 94.7 .... 60.7 .... 770 ..... 7 .... 2 Dalton ................. 92.6 .... 64.7 .... 828 ..... 8 .... 3 Brady ................... 88.3 .... 65.2 .... 1,150 .. 7 .... 5 Fitzpatrick ........... 86.5 .... 67.8 ..... 890 .... 6 .... 6 Wow, seeing the stats all laid out really shows how Brady has been slipping lately. Where does Rivers stand? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Wow, seeing the stats all laid out really shows how Brady has been slipping lately. Where does Rivers stand? Not sure. But surely out of Top 5! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUM-KNEE Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Not sure. But surely out of Top 5! I bet. LOL I might hate Rivers more than Brady.... That guy has issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JiFtheOracle Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Santonio Holmes has 25 catches, 340 yards and 4 TDs. Steve Smith has 46 catches, 918 yards and 4 TDs. Whoa, I say. Smith is much better than Holmes. That's all there is to it. If Holmes is so amazing then where is his production? You can point to a few circus catches like the one in the Superbowl, only 1 season of 1,000 yards+... that's it. And it's not as if he's consistently approaching that statistic but falling short, because he only has 1 season between 900-1000. Steve Smith had 5 1,000 yard receiving seasons and will have his sixth this year. Steve Smith has 12 TD's one year, Holmes will never hit double digits. He's a good #2 receiver, that's it. You know, I was watching some midway top performers show and they were showing Steve Smith. The dude is awesome. He might be better than Holmes. But he's been the only weapon on that team for a long time. Holmes hasnt been the #1 option until he joined the Jets. Its hard to judge just on production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Knix Tix Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Read this in the FLGreen's JETS News 11-9 thread. Excerpt: But Sanchez has become less-mistake prone since the shift back to Ground & Pound in Week 5. Since losing to the Patriots in Week 5, Sanchez has posted the second-highest passer rating (94.7) in the AFC. Check it out: Quarterback ---- Rate --- Pct. --- Yds --- TD --- INT Roethlisberger .. 104.6 ... 64.5 ... 1,484 ... 12 ... 3 Sanchez .............. 94.7 .... 60.7 .... 770 ..... 7 .... 2 Dalton ................. 92.6 .... 64.7 .... 828 ..... 8 .... 3 Brady ................... 88.3 .... 65.2 .... 1,150 .. 7 .... 5 Fitzpatrick ........... 86.5 .... 67.8 ..... 890 .... 6 .... 6 That's pretty damn good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Read this in the FLGreen's JETS News 11-9 thread. Excerpt: But Sanchez has become less-mistake prone since the shift back to Ground & Pound in Week 5. Since losing to the Patriots in Week 5, Sanchez has posted the second-highest passer rating (94.7) in the AFC. Check it out: Quarterback ---- Rate --- Pct. --- Yds --- TD --- INT Roethlisberger .. 104.6 ... 64.5 ... 1,484 ... 12 ... 3 Sanchez .............. 94.7 .... 60.7 .... 770 ..... 7 .... 2 Dalton ................. 92.6 .... 64.7 .... 828 ..... 8 .... 3 Brady ................... 88.3 .... 65.2 .... 1,150 .. 7 .... 5 Fitzpatrick ........... 86.5 .... 67.8 ..... 890 .... 6 .... 6 Not a big fan of the passer rating system. Sanchez has his good looking number based purely on his TD:int ratio. Which is nice, but kind of arbitrary. If one of those TD's were another ugly pick in the endzone, he doesn't make this list. His comp % and YPA are still much lower than they need to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTM Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Not a big fan of the passer rating system. Sanchez has his good looking number based purely on his TD:int ratio. Which is nice, but kind of arbitrary. If one of those TD's were another ugly pick in the endzone, he doesn't make this list. His comp % and YPA are still much lower than they need to be. Yeah, he threw three short TD's against SD which Greene could've just as easily run in (perhaps).. THis isn't to knock him, but it's always better to look at what happens on most of his passes, rather then the 5% that end up as td's and int's.. Again, sanchez has played better, I just don't see him as being second in the afc during that run Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T0mShane Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 I just don't see him as being second in the afc during that run But...the QBR. THE QBR! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Not a big fan of the passer rating system. Sanchez has his good looking number based purely on his TD:int ratio. Which is nice, but kind of arbitrary. If one of those TD's were another ugly pick in the endzone, he doesn't make this list. His comp % and YPA are still much lower than they need to be. Manning and Brady got alot of their TDs that way also. If one of those INT's were another TD, his rating is better. This goes both ways. Sanchez is an average QB. He's not great, but he's not bad either. All QBs struggle when they have pressure. Look at Rivers, everyone said he was great. His receivers are hurt and his O-line is banged up. He looks worse than Sanchez, but he has been considered an ELITE QB the past 3 yrs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slats Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 Manning and Brady got alot of their TDs that way also. If one of those INT's were another TD, his rating is better. This goes both ways. Sanchez is an average QB. He's not great, but he's not bad either. All QBs struggle when they have pressure. Look at Rivers, everyone said he was great. His receivers are hurt and his O-line is banged up. He looks worse than Sanchez, but he has been considered an ELITE QB the past 3 yrs. I'm a pro-Sanchez guy. I'm just not a fan of the QBR system. If Sanchez had a quality QBR based on completions and yards, I'd probably feel better about the number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ranger Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 I'm a pro-Sanchez guy. I'm just not a fan of the QBR system. If Sanchez had a quality QBR based on completions and yards, I'd probably feel better about the number. haha, yeah that QBR system rating is garbage. Maybe they can tweek it mean something after 5 yrs, but right now it's a joke. I feel like Sanchez gets too much criticism and is considered awful when he's not. But he will never be Rogers, Manning, or Brady either. Not many QBs are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RutgersJetFan Posted November 12, 2011 Share Posted November 12, 2011 It was great. We won. I may be wrong on this, but I've read quite a few history books and I don't remember Booth saying this line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetsFanInDenver Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 Not a big fan of the passer rating system. Sanchez has his good looking number based purely on his TD:int ratio. Which is nice, but kind of arbitrary. If one of those TD's were another ugly pick in the endzone, he doesn't make this list. His comp % and YPA are still much lower than they need to be. Yeah but it wasn't a pick and he made the list that too at #2 in the AFC. Conversely if the TD:INT ratio was not good a lot of people would be using that to show us how awful he is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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