bitonti Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 Just wanted to create a thread for one of the underrated sleepers in this draft. He's a tough runner with underrated speed, perfect for a 3rd round pick. With the Temple connection (Mo Wilk etc) he's gotta be on their radar. I don't know _exactly_ why but I feel this player will have a special career. He has the vision of a young Curtis Martin. temple really didn't have a passing offense, the other team knew he was getting the ball every time and he was still really productive. Just a tough player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 17, 2012 Share Posted April 17, 2012 I love Pierce! Mentioned before he's on of my favorite RB's. Well deserved thread. After T-rich I wouldn't be surprised at all if he ends up having the best NFL career out of the RB crop. Forte'esque maybe not so much as a player but as a dark horse prospect sorta lurking in the shadows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 17, 2012 Author Share Posted April 17, 2012 this is one of those short list i am openly rooting for the Jets to draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Yeah I really like Pierce as well. Hell be the surprise rookie sensation RB next year if he ends up with one of the teams in the second half of the round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derp Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Big fan of Pierce as well, think he'll be very productive if he lands in the right situation. Heard he caught the ball extremely well at his pro day too though he wasn't given a chance to showcase that in college. Probably not a good comparison at all, but when he gets outside the tackles he reminds me of Arian Foster a bit. Looks like he runs a little high too but that's not a huge deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 I like him. We need a back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 Looks like a solid runner...can he block well enough and catch the ball out of backfield to earn playing time on third down... Wonder what the Jets are thinking on Powell at this point...he looked lost last year... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 Looks like a solid runner...can he block well enough and catch the ball out of backfield to earn playing time on third down... im thinking more like Greene's gone after this season and Pierce is the new #1 RB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetscode1 Posted April 18, 2012 Share Posted April 18, 2012 im thinking more like Greene's gone after this season and Pierce is the new #1 RB. The major problem I have with Greene...he has stone hands...good for boxer...terrible for NFL RB...wouldn't mind a RB this year...not high on my board...liked Cyrus Grey earlier hoped we could get him later...fifth round...probably won't last...just wish we had some read on Powell from last year...was he just a one-year wonder? did he not understand how to block? Guy looked lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 18, 2012 Author Share Posted April 18, 2012 just wish we had some read on Powell from last year...was he just a one-year wonder? did he not understand how to block? Guy looked lost. my read on powell is he hit the rookie wall and probably not a starter anyway. Could backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raffyD Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 What about the VT rb, David Williams? I know he had some fumble problems but I like his speed and ability to catch, reminds me of Ray Rice a little. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted April 19, 2012 Share Posted April 19, 2012 From the video, he appears to run a little too upright, though. It also looks like he is slow to hit the hole. I just see a guy who makes himself a big target, isn't real shifty and is slow through the hole...it adds up to someone I am not excited about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 I don't see it. He's too slow to hit the hole, and had what looked like marginal production against friggin Wyoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 20, 2012 Author Share Posted April 20, 2012 I don't see it. He's too slow to hit the hole, and had what looked like marginal production against friggin Wyoming. Pierce ran a 4.4 at Indy and his wyoming box score was 25 carries, 100 yards and 2 TD. and keep in mind the Temple Owls don't really have a passing offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greenseed4 Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 Pierce ran a 4.4 at Indy and his wyoming box score was 25 carries, 100 yards and 2 TD. and keep in mind the Temple Owls don't really have a passing offense. He ran a 4.49, Matt. If we're going to round down to make a point might as well say he ran it in 4 seconds. My comment was on his hitting the hole slow, so I looked up his 10-yard split. At Indy he ran his 10-yard split in 1.52 seconds, better than LaMichael James. Maybe he is extremely patient and just looks slow...but 4 ypc in college against Wyoming...albeit in a bowl game without a passing attack. I remain unimpressed. Would much rather see the talents of Doug Martin or Robert Turbin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 20, 2012 Author Share Posted April 20, 2012 He ran a 4.49, Matt. If we're going to round down to make a point might as well say he ran it in 4 seconds. My comment was on his hitting the hole slow, so I looked up his 10-yard split. At Indy he ran his 10-yard split in 1.52 seconds, better than LaMichael James. Maybe he is extremely patient and just looks slow...but 4 ypc in college against Wyoming...albeit in a bowl game without a passing attack. I remain unimpressed. Would much rather see the talents of Doug Martin or Robert Turbin. the truth is that many people shared your concerns before he worked out. he blew those concerns away at Indy. he is patient and he has outstanding vision. He reminds me of Curtis Martin. I don't think he will have a 15 year career but the guy has a way of finding that extra yard or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 20, 2012 Share Posted April 20, 2012 No RB's till late. Late late. 6 or 7. Just not worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 No RB's till late. Late late. 6 or 7. Just not worth it. Our offense is going to look so good next year. We need a back pretty badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrazyCarl40 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Didn't we technically already take a RB in the 4th round? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JustInFudge Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Our offense is going to look so good next year. We need a back pretty badly. Greene is more than capable. He had good production considering the elements last season. Tebow is going to be short yardage back. I dunno, feel like McKnight isnt a bad 3rd down back and I'm still holding out hope for Powell. Just think it isnt a position of value anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 21, 2012 Author Share Posted April 21, 2012 No RB's till late. Late late. 6 or 7. Just not worth it. jif unfortunately the Jets value Rb alot more than most teams and more than you and I. the Jets don't want Robert Turbin or Pierce. they want TR. and I suspect they get him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt39 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Greene is more than capable. He had good production considering the elements last season. Tebow is going to be short yardage back. I dunno, feel like McKnight isnt a bad 3rd down back and I'm still holding out hope for Powell. Just think it isnt a position of value anymore. The problem with Greene is that he doesnt offer 20-25 yard chunk potential. When we dont have a passing offense that can stretch the field, that's a problem. We actually missed Brad Smith more than we thought we would...he at least had the ability to keep drives alive with those chunks of yards he'd break off seemingly once a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Turbin is better than Pierce and would be a good add to what we have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 jif unfortunately the Jets value Rb alot more than most teams and more than you and I. the Jets don't want Robert Turbin or Pierce. they want TR. and I suspect they get him. I agree with this, but I don't see why it has to be unfortunate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 I agree with this, but I don't see why it has to be unfortunate. because he has bought into the idea that you can only win with an all out passing attack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted April 21, 2012 Share Posted April 21, 2012 Pierce = Rashan Salaam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 22, 2012 Author Share Posted April 22, 2012 because he has bought into the idea that you can only win with an all out passing attack basically... but I would ask that you remove the word "ONLY" once in 5 years a ball control non elite QB team wins the super bowl it's another way to skin a cat. it is possible. but it's the far less likely way. example "ball control" Super Bowl wins 2003 Bucs 2001 Ravens 1992 Redskins 1991 Giants 1986 Bears 5 times in the last 26 years i guess for the Jets that's not relevant info, as a Jets Super Bowl win is such a Black Swan unlikely outcome. There's no such mindset as Rationally hoping for a Jets SB win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SenorGato Posted April 22, 2012 Share Posted April 22, 2012 Um...the Steelers? They're every ball control's teams #1 role model. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bitonti Posted April 22, 2012 Author Share Posted April 22, 2012 Um...the Steelers? They're every ball control's teams #1 role model. agreed Brady's 1st win was a ball control win. As was Elways Terrell Davis aided win. we can play fast and loose but the bottom line is a franchise QB. that's why I put the 1991 Giants on there but not the 1985 Giants. Hostetter wasn't a franchise QB, Simms was. Sanchez is paid like a franchise QB and maybe by winning a Super Bowl he becomes one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroadwayJ667 Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 agreed Brady's 1st win was a ball control win. As was Elways Terrell Davis aided win. we can play fast and loose but the bottom line is a franchise QB. that's why I put the 1991 Giants on there but not the 1985 Giants. Hostetter wasn't a franchise QB, Simms was. Sanchez is paid like a franchise QB and maybe by winning a Super Bowl he becomes one... This. Sanchez's issue is confidence. When he plays confident he plays well, when he doesn't he is the guy that half the people on this board scream to get rid of. Some of the fans need to remember what Mark's play looks like when he is on his game. He has the ability to be top ten. Same as Eli was. Remember what he looked like in 2010 vs 2011 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sperm Edwards Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 basically... but I would ask that you remove the word "ONLY" once in 5 years a ball control non elite QB team wins the super bowl it's another way to skin a cat. it is possible. but it's the far less likely way. example "ball control" Super Bowl wins 2003 Bucs 2001 Ravens 1992 Redskins 1991 Giants 1986 Bears 5 times in the last 26 years i guess for the Jets that's not relevant info, as a Jets Super Bowl win is such a Black Swan unlikely outcome. There's no such mindset as Rationally hoping for a Jets SB win. With the obvious exception of Dilfer, who I'm sure everyone concedes would have won absolutely nothing without that 2000 Ravens D, I think there's a pretty big margin between our QB and those QBs you mention (or at least how good they were that season): You can't do that and have the QB turn the ball over dozens of times. Those QBs you mentioned? Here are the total turnovers (int + lost fumbles) in those SB years: McMahon: 11 Simms/Hoss: 7 Rypien: 11 BJohnson: 6 Sanchez: 26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 Turbin is better than Pierce and would be a good add to what we have. I think it's a good argument. Both are probably my favorites for the slightly bulkier/bigger/between the T's mid round RB's. You might be right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stonehands Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 I think it's a good argument. Both are probably my favorites for the slightly bulkier/bigger/between the T's mid round RB's. You might be right. I also like Chris Polk and Doug Martin better. We need our back to have good hands in order to complement Greene who can't catch a cold. We also need them to be able to hit a hole hard and with good body lean. If you are a 220 lb back and stand straight up at contact, you might as well be LaMichael James at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HessStation Posted April 23, 2012 Share Posted April 23, 2012 I also like Chris Polk and Doug Martin better. We need our back to have good hands in order to complement Greene who can't catch a cold. We also need them to be able to hit a hole hard and with good body lean. If you are a 220 lb back and stand straight up at contact, you might as well be LaMichael James at that point. 100% agree about the need for a RB who can also catch out of the backfield! I've read Polk is a headcase/bad locker room guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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